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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: dorkus]
    #7569578 - 10/28/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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dorkus said:
Like Jack Kerouac, Bukowski, Van Gogh or ummm maybe Stephen Hawkings? Those babies were known to not always be able to take care of themselves and spent much time in some nest. There are so many others among those I would consider evolved creatively, intellectually, emotionally or being in other ways very different from the run-of-the-mill eager working types that always get everything done and follow rules, therefore are perfectly adapted to the machine. You sound like those who criticize native Americans for being leeching fuck-ups without taking into consideration the surrounding factors contributing.

Maybe society is developing in some very "unnatural" directions, which makes it harder for some kind of people to fit in or to slave for their living. When a society and the masses are fucked up, some sort of people sometimes have a hard time adapting and surviving. Chaos (eccentricity) cannot be true to its' nature when pushed into order or boxed into squares. Or maybe people are just very different, and being aimed towards survival not always the one thing that defines a successful or "mature" human being. In a tribal society ie people would overlap eachother more.

"Mickey Mouse ain't got no fuckin soooouuuulll!" Bukowski.




Well I'm not really against staying home if one is doing something. My post is addressing those who stay immature and have support for it.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569588 - 10/28/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"Don't just do something. Sit there!" Osho :wink:


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: dorkus]
    #7569593 - 10/28/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Look what happened to him.:whoa::monkeydance:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569601 - 10/28/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Heheh, I think he died. :P


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: dorkus]
    #7569608 - 10/28/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty messed up it seems.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569609 - 10/28/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, this culture's in decline alright.  What ever happened to the glory days of the Brady Bunch and two cars in every garage?  This country's gone straight to hell.  At least we've still got systematic oppression of minorities and large-scale war against enemies whose names we can't pronounce. :thumbup:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
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and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569615 - 10/28/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Like Castaneda?


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Lion]
    #7569624 - 10/28/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I said "steep" decline. Now that's subjective based on 54 years of observation and a study of American history. When I was 18 most of my peers left home and started taking care of themselves to some extent.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569639 - 10/28/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The good old days are often a product of a poor memory. Although I do see areas where people seem to be slipping(read letters sent home during the Civil War by 17-year-old farm boys and compare that the average literacy level of people today), I also think there is great progress. I think in many areas we've become much more self-aware. People now are coming to understand how the ecosystem works, and how their lifestyle affects other people on the other side of the globe. There is of course a large section of humanity that does not seem to be at this cutting edge of human understanding, but as a wise man once said, "Twas ever thus."


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569644 - 10/28/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

And now they're all grown up and look at the fine job they've done preparing the next generations for the real world. :thumbdown:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Silversoul]
    #7569657 - 10/28/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

All true. Maybe the best are getting better and the slackers are getting slacker? Unfortunately because of the imbalance of one to the other along with population growth the slackers are crowding the streets.

I know this seems a negative take on humanity but it is how I see and feel things. When I get my addictions to having things be different out of the way I know for sure none of this matters a bit.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569658 - 10/28/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i could watch fish flop in samadhi all day


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Lion]
    #7569666 - 10/28/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The decline started long ago it seems. Entropy reigns supreme.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Cherk]
    #7569716 - 10/28/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I watch my room mate eat food, the sounds he makes, like a garbage disposal,
simple chubby man, like a grownup stuck in a childrens cartoon the way his body moved, a simple barny friendly to kids and backstabbing to sinners, purple dinosaur and perfume shit

after watching that
I understand why the world is falling apart

surely we'll need better table manners at the peace conference

with good awareness you can watch people justify themselves with food
and even better awareness you can watch them talk to a bannana like a lover

my heart hurts, so i throw oranges at people like an angry ape


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Cherk]
    #7569727 - 10/28/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

its all just food anyways, so the demons eat everything


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Cherk]
    #7569776 - 10/28/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Baby food for pacifacation


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7570770 - 10/28/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Considering we are the only creatures that think spiritually,

assumption on you're part.



On earth.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7570804 - 10/28/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Still an assumption, though.  Every read Ishmael?  (I haven't, but I hear it's about a self-reflecting gorilla.)

And what about dolphins?  They can essentially talk to one another, they even talk about other members of their community when the others aren't around.  So who knows the extent of the way their minds function?

Also, maybe every animal lives in a more 'spiritual' state of consciousness than humans.  Wouldn't be surprising. :shrug:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Lion]
    #7571775 - 10/29/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think humans are devolving. Staying at home longer, gives young adults, particularly men, the time they need to emotionally mature. Emotional maturity is only a recently required skill, for male humans.

Instead, I think several human CULTURES are moving backwards. Not all of 'em by any means... but some, including my own. Many societies have crumbled from the top down... yet humanity remains.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7571798 - 10/29/07 03:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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If anything. It seems humans stay in immaturity longer and longer. Living with an off parents often into late 20s and even thirties and acting as if they are incapable of thinking rationally most of their lives.




Humans are also living longer. The society humans live in becomes increasingly complex. Perhaps it simply takes more time for humans to develop mentally before venturing off into the world on their own. Perhaps your observation regarding this speaks more for evolution, than human beings devolving. :shrug:


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