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Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid'
#7566408 - 10/27/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Once again the deception/fraud that is Roman Catholicism rears its ugly head. Especially laughable is the part that states the infallibility of the pope as official Catholic doctrine.
Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' By Peter Popham in Rome Published: 25 October 2007
Padre Pio, the friar with fingerless gloves whose image is found on a million Catholic key chains; who was canonised before 200,000 ecstatic pilgrims five years ago, was a charlatan who deliberately mutilated himself with acid to give the appearance of bearing the stigmata of Christ, according to evidence to be published next week.
The Italian historian Sergio Luzzatto will release Padre Pio, Miracles and politics in 20th century Italy – a book producing new evidence from Vatican archives, which he says proves that the charismatic friar secretly procured carbolic acid with which to burn his hands, feet and sides.
The allegations are not new: two successive popes regarded Padre Pio as a fraud. By 1920, when Pio was 33 and was already exhibiting his scars before masses of pilgrims, the church was worried that his cult was spinning out of control. Reports commissioned by the church claimed Pio regularly scourged himself with a metal-tipped whip, and had sex with women twice a week. For many years Pio was banned from celebrating mass in public.
Of particular concern to the church were the ugly, weeping wounds which Pio concealed under those fingerless gloves. The friar claimed that he had received the stigmata of Christ – wounds to his hands, feet and side like those suffered by Christ during his crucifixion – at the culmination of a mystical seizure.
A doctor sent by the Vatican to examine them concluded that the wounds were probably caused and maintained artificially. To test the hypothesis he bound the wounds and sealed the bandage to prevent it being tampered with. But on examination a month later the doctor was nonplussed to find that the wounds had failed to heal.
Yet now Mr Luzzatto claims to have unearthed documents that prove beyond reasonable doubt that the friar was a trickster.
In the summer of 1919, the 28-year-old cousin of a pharmacist in the southern city of Foggia, a deeply religious young woman called Maria de Vito, made the pilgrimage to Pio's church, San Giovanni. The pharmacist told his local bishop, Mgr Salvatore Bella, "When she returned to Foggia she brought the greetings of Padre Pio and asked me in his name, and in strict secrecy, for carbolic acid, telling me that Padre Pio had need of it, and giving me the little bottle he had given her, capacity 100g, and with a skull and crossbones."
The pharmacist jumped to what Mr Luzzatto believes is the right conclusion. "My thought was that the carbolic acid could be used by Padre Pio to procure or further irritate wounds on his hands."
Mr Luzzatto cites the note written by Pio to the young woman, Maria de Vito, "though much more neatly than his normal hand".
Invoking the blessings of Jesus, Pio writes baldly: "I am in need of 200g or 300g of carbolic acid for sterilising. I pray you to send it to me on Sunday." This, claims Mr Luzzatto, is the smoking gun. If he had really needed the acid for sterilising purposes, he demands, "why did he proceed in such an oblique manner?"
Mr Luzzatto's claims, splashed across a full page of Corriere della Sera, Italy's best-selling daily, were furiously denounced by Pietro Siffi, president of the Catholic Anti-defamation League. The "presumed proofs are absolutely false," he said. "According to Catholic doctrine, canonisation involves the infallibility of the pope."
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3093806.ece
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7566424 - 10/27/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let's hope the deception/fraud of fundamentalism gets called out next.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: Silversoul]
#7566432 - 10/27/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I don't know how you define the term "fundamentalism" so I can't really reply. But there is no deception in the Word of God.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7566433 - 10/27/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I first read the title I thought you meant LSD
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7566442 - 10/27/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Really? Have you ever told a mountain to move and it did?
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7566455 - 10/27/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Really? Have you ever told a mountain to move and it did?
I have, and its moving slowly at the rate of a centimeter a year (or something...) Go me 
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7566529 - 10/27/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool. Now tell it to move in the other direction.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7566535 - 10/27/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jesus spoke in parables. Those with ears will hear.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7566543 - 10/27/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Cool. Now tell it to move in the other direction.
What if I just turn around?
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7566558 - 10/27/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: Jesus spoke in parables. Those with ears will hear.
I see. Some parts of the Bible are literal and some parts are metaphorical - and it is so obvious which is which that we have some 10,000 Christian splinter groups.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7566559 - 10/27/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: Those with ears will hear.
Well, that IS generally how biology works.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7566568 - 10/27/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I humbly bow to your superior rhetorical skills.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7566573 - 10/27/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Really? Have you ever told a mountain to move and it did?
I think the problem is lack of faith. Someone will have an eternity to work on this.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7566575 - 10/27/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: Jesus spoke in parables. Those with ears will hear.
Oh boy nice 180.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7566592 - 10/27/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: Well I don't know how you define the term "fundamentalism" so I can't really reply. But there is no deception in the Word of God.
Like saying he loves us and then giving my mom cancer for christmas?
yeah, this God guy is a real fuckin' truth monger.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7566619 - 10/27/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: I humbly bow to your superior rhetorical skills.
Why thank you
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7566649 - 10/27/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What I really love fiver is that those Catholics really get under your skin. It must be the love of God coming through. Or maybe you get to say what God is only thinking about those damned to hell Catholics. Or maybe you're just mouthing some bullshit from a particularly unhappy religious sect.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: Icelander]
#7566785 - 10/27/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just exposing the lies with light. My hope is that those fooled will see the truth and be converted.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7566820 - 10/27/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7569044 - 10/28/07 07:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the light is not in your words and so you spread the word of darkness fear, ignorance and hate. Especially fear. I think your religion is evil. I don't worry that folk here can see that. It's obvious to most. I do have a little faith in humanity.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: Icelander]
#7569926 - 10/28/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Judgment day is guaranteed. It is not a threat it is a warning. I hope someday you come under Holy Spirit conviction, that you are a lost and ruined sinner, only then will the truth of the gospel shine into your heart. You must be born again, I hope in time you will know what this means.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7569964 - 10/28/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hallelujah Amen Jesus Christ Hallellujah
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7570031 - 10/28/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: Judgment day is guaranteed. It is not a threat it is a warning. I hope someday you come under Holy Spirit conviction, that you are a lost and ruined sinner, only then will the truth of the gospel shine into your heart. You must be born again, I hope in time you will know what this means.
How can you be so certain? I am curious.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7570093 - 10/28/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was in a book. Can't get any more certain than that.
Printed word = truth.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7570141 - 10/28/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I knew Lord of the Rings was real!!
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7570172 - 10/28/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's a fantasy I can get behind. 
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The Road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager/weary feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say.
The Road goes ever on and on Out from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, Let others follw it who can! Let them a journey new begin, But I at last with weary feet Will turn towards the lighted inn, My evening-rest and sleep to meet.
Still round the corner there may wait A new road or a secret gate; And though I oft have passed them by, A day will come at last when I Shall take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of the Sun.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7570317 - 10/28/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7571481 - 10/28/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: Judgment day is guaranteed. It is not a threat it is a warning. I hope someday you come under Holy Spirit conviction, that you are a lost and ruined sinner, only then will the truth of the gospel shine into your heart. You must be born again, I hope in time you will know what this means.
Some just opt for the haldol. Nothing like second chances.
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Re: Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid' [Re: fivepointer]
#7572614 - 10/29/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Judgment day is guaranteed
I think you should be posting in the PUB. Lots of 18 year olds over there.
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