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why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms?
    #7565973 - 10/27/07 07:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've come across a few posts about high dosages where people say 14 grams and above is disrespecting the mushrooms. What is the reasoning behind it?

Say 5 grams of dried cubes is equivalent to a 200-500 mic acid trip. So 14 grams is something like a 1500 mic acid trip. That is a pretty massive dose of LSD but no one would say it's disrespecting LSD by doing it. Why are mushrooms different?

Is there a historical basis for it? But shamen must have done huges doses since the dawn of time. Or is the effect of a huge dose different to a huge dose of LSD? I've read warnings like "you'll pass out and wake up in a pool of your own excrement with no memory of the last 4 hours". I think that's an exaggeration, at least for 14 grams - the most I've ever done. Of course it was incredibly strong and had a lot of horrible bad trip delusions and I did feel a bit nauseous at times but didn't vomit, pass out or lose control or my bowls. My memory of the trip was pretty good and it had some very enjoyable lucid moments.

I'm interested to hear a reason for the double standard compared to acid.


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: roquet]
    #7565978 - 10/27/07 07:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

don't listen to the hippies.  :smile:


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: roquet]
    #7565996 - 10/27/07 07:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i dont think theres anything wrong with it. depends on the person and the way it effects them.


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: Locus]
    #7566005 - 10/27/07 07:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Locus said:
i dont think theres anything wrong with it. depends on the person and the way it effects them.




:thumbup: Different strokes for different folks...if you can handle the shredding that 14 grams would provide.  :smile:


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: MOTH]
    #7566043 - 10/27/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

its probably hippies saying that shit because lsd is man made and mushrooms arent. so they may think that abusing something man made is somewhat more "ok" than abusing a naturally occuring substance.

im just saying, that could be why they think what they say that. i dont personally think that. i say, dose at your own risk.


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: Mr_DeeMsTer]
    #7566073 - 10/27/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

friggen hippies get off my lawn!


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: GbBaker]
    #7566223 - 10/27/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

no its dissrespectful to them b/c it puts them down
cuz they no they cant handle it
take those 14 grams like a champ
ill applaud  :headbanger:


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: Coaster]
    #7566355 - 10/27/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I ate 14 grams one time. Holy GOD DAMN! is all I can say. This was with a buddy who ate 14 also. We had split an ounce. Have Fun and be safe, we started with no sitter and ended up with 2, lol.

Its all about your mind at the time you dose, I've had what some might call a bad trip off 1.5 grams, yet i have dosed higher than that hundreds of times.

I haven't used LSD a whole lot, nothing compared to how much I have used mushies, but I would say it is very hard/impossible to compare psilocin to mics of LSD. They are both psychedelics so comparing there strength to one another isn't possible.


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: Ransford]
    #7566362 - 10/27/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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we started with no sitter and ended up with 2, lol.





lol. I can certainly see that happening. :grin:


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: maggotz]
    #7566367 - 10/27/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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don't listen to the hippies.  :smile:




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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: Ransford]
    #7566460 - 10/27/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I ate 14 grams one time. Holy GOD DAMN! is all I can say. This was with a buddy who ate 14 also. We had split an ounce. Have Fun and be safe, we started with no sitter and ended up with 2, lol.

Its all about your mind at the time you dose, I've had what some might call a bad trip off 1.5 grams, yet i have dosed higher than that hundreds of times.

I haven't used LSD a whole lot, nothing compared to how much I have used mushies, but I would say it is very hard/impossible to compare psilocin to mics of LSD. They are both psychedelics so comparing there strength to one another isn't possible.




im not catching the logic that since they are both psychedelics that comparing their strength is impossible


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: roquet]
    #7566475 - 10/27/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I've come across a few posts about high dosages where people say 14 grams and above is disrespecting the mushrooms. What is the reasoning behind it?

Say 5 grams of dried cubes is equivalent to a 200-500 mic acid trip. So 14 grams is something like a 1500 mic acid trip. That is a pretty massive dose of LSD but no one would say it's disrespecting LSD by doing it. Why are mushrooms different?

Is there a historical basis for it? But shamen must have done huges doses since the dawn of time. Or is the effect of a huge dose different to a huge dose of LSD? I've read warnings like "you'll pass out and wake up in a pool of your own excrement with no memory of the last 4 hours". I think that's an exaggeration, at least for 14 grams - the most I've ever done. Of course it was incredibly strong and had a lot of horrible bad trip delusions and I did feel a bit nauseous at times but didn't vomit, pass out or lose control or my bowls. My memory of the trip was pretty good and it had some very enjoyable lucid moments.

I'm interested to hear a reason for the double standard compared to acid.




I hear you. I dont see how people can even begin to say that knowing how relative the potency of shrooms can be. In the past, with some B+ grown on BRF, I had to take 13 grams just to get the effects of a 5 gram dose from mother nature. So where is the objective line drawn that says you are "disrespecting" the shrooms.:confused:


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: Nalim]
    #7566485 - 10/27/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Damn I can't imagine 14 grams. Most I've done is an eighth (3.5 grams) and that made me realize that we're tripping because what's in the shrooms is there poison. It made my face feel ugly and weird and I was feeling a bit nauseous for a few minutes. It made everything confusing and hard to understand. Maybe I just can't handle it or didn't have a good set/setting, but the way it made my BODY feel wasn't fun at all. I hate that feeling my face has while on them, where it feels almost droopy or something.


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
    #7566499 - 10/27/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Say there was a constant potency with the mushrooms, and you do eat a 14g dose that fucks your brain in half. Awesome, fuck people that are talking disrespecting shit, mushrooms would be impressed that you could eat that many of them without being wrong in the head, or already on too many mushrooms. The only thing that you owe them is thanking that they're around for us to consume and have an amazing time with, Who/Whatever is responsible for that is in charge of being owed respect.


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: Hix]
    #7566511 - 10/27/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think it's disrespecting, I think it's more about underestimating them.


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: Psilocin Dreams]
    #7566518 - 10/27/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think it is a matter of people thinking 14 grams is just abusing the drug. Because in all reality you only need like 1 or so grams to trip, so why push it to that extent?



Although I don't think it is disrespectful at all, in fact if anyone can remember anything to talk about after their 14 gram trip, I would love to hear the stories.


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7566550 - 10/27/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i simply see no reason in eating 14 grams of mushrooms
if you're disrespecting anything, doing that, it'd be yourself


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7566565 - 10/27/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it is a matter of people thinking 14 grams is just abusing the drug. Because in all reality you only need like 1 or so grams to trip, so why push it to that extent?



Although I don't think it is disrespectful at all, in fact if anyone can remember anything to talk about after their 14 gram trip, I would love to hear the stories.




Well lets not forget that everybody has a unique tolerance to this drug. You may get strong effects from "like 1 or so grams" but that is definitely not the case for everyone. And a lot of people are able to bring back information from high doses and can see the merit in risking ones sanity for the experience.

Im willing to bet that anyone with a clear intent to ingest as many grams as it takes to achieve a deep psychedelic experience will be well aware of the risks involved.
Thats what i think anyway.
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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: Nalim]
    #7566602 - 10/27/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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maggotz said:
don't listen to the hippies.  :smile:







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14 grams is a good time to be sure.


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Re: why is 14+ grams disrespecting the shrooms? [Re: roquet]
    #7566650 - 10/27/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Regardless of how much you take, you're disregarding your own physical and mental wellbeing rather than disrespecting mushrooms. So long as you're not doing harm to yourself or other people around you, what you are doing cannot be categorised as abuse.

Some people need higher doses to get effects that others feel from minimal amounts of Psilocybin (or other psychedelics, for that matter). With the right preparation, a positive mind set, and a good location for tripping in, high doses can induce life changing spiritual experiences. Then again, so can low doses in the same situations.

So long as you do your research, accept what you are capable of, and enter psychedelic experiences with intelligence and respect, it is possible for an experience to be positive regardless of the dose.

With regard to this question, I'm reminded of the process of "thumb printing". If highly intelligent, self-aware and spiritual people with huge amounts of experience with LSD can gain positive insights from taking hundreds, or even thousands of times a regular dose (and, according to Robert Hunter, they can indeed), then it stands to reason that any dosage of mushrooms can also be a positive thing.

There is no cut off point here. Telling other people that what they are doing is wrong and abusive, based on an arbitrary number of grams is just plain redundant. As I said before, unless someone is hurting themselves or others, what they are doing is not abuse.


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