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The N word
    #7565855 - 10/27/07 05:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Great book, I'm almost done. As a non white, my friends who are also non whites and black use this word, A LOT. I never used it until I started hanging out with my best girlfriend. And it was always in a "kinship" sort of way - after reading that book, i will never use it again.

When Paul Mooney who made a living on the word, vowed to stop using it, and called for a moratorium, I knew I had to reevaluate my use of this slur.

Needles to say , my friend still uses it, and thinks im silly for giving power to a word. I am going to lend her this book. See if she still feels the same way.
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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7565863 - 10/27/07 05:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The N word [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7565868 - 10/27/07 05:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i am white, can i say it?


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Re: The N word [Re: druqs]
    #7565877 - 10/27/07 05:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Nigga, Plz!


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Re: The N word [Re: FungusMan]
    #7565888 - 10/27/07 06:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Of course you cant say nigger. I'm white too, and there are these magic words that only certain people can say. Like niggers (black) can say nigger, but only niggers (ignorent people) who aren't black would say nigger. LOLZ. It a word that has a lot of baggage.

Lot's of people say it amongst friends as a term of friendship, much like 'dude' or whathave you. Some out of malice. Whatever. I'm not PC and don't judge my friends by their language. But it's at least a cussword, and depending on the company may get you more shit than saying, 'cunt'.

Blacks I imagine associate it with oppression and injustice etc. Which is plobably why they are especially indignant about non-black use of the term. You know, the 'it's our word' argument.

I'd say rap brought it into the common, 'hey nigga' usage. It's the only racial slur used in that way. But whatever. Use it or don't. Be mindful of the company you use it in, or don't. It's just a word, but has alot of emotional baggage attached to it for alot of people.

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Re: The N word [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7565893 - 10/27/07 06:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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HEHEH! The 'nigger guy'. That was a great episode. LOLZ. Using 'nigger' and 'guy' within 7 words of each other was outlawed by congress.. but nigger wasn't. Gotta love SouthPark! LOLZ.

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Re: The N word [Re: GoaM]
    #7565946 - 10/27/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I heard that Nas is releasing an album entitled "Nigger".

That should be interesting.


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Re: The N word [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7565959 - 10/27/07 07:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The N word [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #7565977 - 10/27/07 07:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I do my best to not say things that I know will be taken as hurtful. There is a high likelihood with that particular word so I avoid it completely.

I see it's pretty popular around the Shroomery, though. Too bad.

Ahh well, I can only control my own words, not the words of others. I had to learn to deal with that fact a long time ago.


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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7566030 - 10/27/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not racist at all. In fact, I've gotten in fights with skinheads just because they were racist, fascist, pieces of shit. Racism actually really pisses me off just thinking about it, as does any kind of discriminatory fascist mentality.

but that doesn't mean I can't say the N word. Its just a word. Whats important is the intentions behind the word. If I'm hanging out with my friends and I say, "Pass the blunt, nigga," thats a lot different than going up to a black person and saying: "You don't belong here, nigger."

What makes me angry is the amount of black people who get upset when they hear a white person say 'nigga' colloquially, when those same black people themselves use the word like a comma. I mean, for them to have one standard for themselves, and another standard for other races... well thats racist.

Notice I didn't use the term 'reverse racism' in the above example. Thats because racism is racism no matter who commits it against who. We don't need a special term for when white people are discriminated against by other races. 'Reverse racism' IS exactly what its supposed to mean. In other words, the term 'reverse racism' is in itself racist because it implies that only white people are normally racist and any exception to that rule needs to be noted with a special term.

nah, nigga. Plenty of black people are just as racist as whites. In fact, all races are racist against eachother. Racism is part of the human mentality, its not just a white problem.

Anyway, its the hatred of other cultures and races that needs to be abolished, not the use of certain words. And people need to be less hypocritical about racism if they really want it to end.


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Re: The N word [Re: BrandNoob]
    #7566040 - 10/27/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, I do my best to not say things that I know will be taken as hurtful. There is a high likelihood with that particular word so I avoid it completely.

I see it's pretty popular around the Shroomery, though. Too bad.

Ahh well, I can only control my own words, not the words of others. I had to learn to deal with that fact a long time ago.




LOLZ! So is scat.

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Re: The N word [Re: GoaM]
    #7566051 - 10/27/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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LOLZ! So is scat.





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Re: The N word [Re: BrandNoob]
    #7566064 - 10/27/07 08:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

But I love niggers.

Boss Nigger is one of the best blaxplotation movies btw


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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7566065 - 10/27/07 08:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I hate the N word, and I really dislike it being used regardless of the race of the person using it. You just can't turn it into a neutral or even positive thing. People are making up all sorts of bullshit about "what it means" but thats just nonsense. We all know what it means and no revisionism will take that meaning away.

I haven't read the book, but which points made in it have made you stop and think and abandon the word?


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Re: The N word [Re: Asante]
    #7566099 - 10/27/07 08:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think thats way too simplified of an understanding.

Black culture itself has redefined the word.

For example: I'm a hip-hop fan. If I'm at work and there are black people present, and they are playing hip-hop music with the word 'nigga' in it, and everyone is rapping along with it, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to OMIT the word 'nigga' from my recitation? When all the black people are saying it?

I'm just trying to appreciate the culture that THEY created! WTF?


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Re: The N word [Re: GoaM]
    #7566102 - 10/27/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Lot's of people say it amongst friends as a term of friendship, much like 'dude' or whathave you. Some out of malice. Whatever. I'm not PC and don't judge my friends by their language. But it's at least a cussword, and depending on the company may get you more shit than saying, 'cunt'.


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lol, who would put you in shit for saying cunt?


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Re: The N word [Re: druqs]
    #7566167 - 10/27/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

some bitch that hasn't used hers yet? :ohwell:


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Re: The N word [Re: Asante]
    #7566933 - 10/27/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I haven't read the book, but which points made in it have made you stop and think and abandon the word?




Not so much a point WS - but after reading about the etymology of the word, how it was used in politics and society as a shackle, as a wall to keep an entire swath of the population underfoot, made me ill. Its one thing to "know" a word is bad, it's another to read a historical outline of how it came to be,and how it was employed.

I love Mr Lif, (hes a rapper in case youve never heard of him) very conscious, very political, and he uses the term in his songs. When he uses it, he is illustrating how offensive it is . I have not heard him use it like "hey, whats up my nigga'? - He uses it as a curse, which of course it is.

In response to the person who said they wouldnt omit the word if it is in a song - well to that person I say, I dont have that problem, simply because I dont listen to music that uses it as a noun/ verb/adjective/curswword all in the same song.
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Re: The N word [Re: Asante]
    #7566947 - 10/27/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:You just can't turn it into a neutral or even positive thing.


Maybe you cant, but an open minded person could. Words dont have inherent meaning, they are defined solely by the people who use them. Also the definitions of all words are in constant flux and never remain static. To think otherwise is simply ignorance of how languages are made and propagated.


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Re: The N word [Re: DieCommie]
    #7567026 - 10/27/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Actually, all words have an inherent meaning. They're called definitions


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Re: The N word [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #7567042 - 10/27/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That's not to imply that I am for abolishing the word...I mean, I guess I could be for that if it were possible...but it isn't. Its not going away, whether it be rappers or racists, the word is here to stay and the more controversial or taboo it becomes, the longer it will stay and the stronger the impact it will have when used by people with hateful beliefs.

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Re: The N word [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #7567045 - 10/27/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Actually, all words have an inherent meaning. They're called definitions




which can change


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Re: The N word [Re: Tangerines]
    #7567507 - 10/27/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have no problem with people using the word. It's all about context.


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Re: The N word [Re: Sheepish]
    #7567989 - 10/27/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Either its because Im built like a brick shithouse, or because its that Im always smiling (or both), I get away with it all the time. Its all about the environment and mood. Personally, I HATE this Black Empowerment shit that our culture loves to sidestep. Take BET for example. If we had a WET, there would be 10 types of hell raised. Or, Black history month...WTF? Or how THEY can walk around with panther merchandice, and nobody thinks twice. Im Native American, the original NIGGER,lol. We went thru worse as a race, but we arent constantly bringing it up when we get pulled over, or live in poverty in "reservations"......Im ranting, so Ill stop now :smirk:


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Re: The N word [Re: FungusMan]
    #7567997 - 10/27/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Or, Black history month...WTF?




yes, but it is the shortest month of the year :grin:


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Re: The N word [Re: FungusMan]
    #7567999 - 10/27/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I hate it when people have a cry about being labelled.

Harden the fuck up, already.


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Re: The N word [Re: m.v2]
    #7568815 - 10/28/07 05:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I used to feel the same way about "context" - but it goes deeper than this. The psyche of the American social structure has that word and its definition branded into its subconscious. Pun intended.

No matter what, a well to do white man is not going to be called a nigger.
A well to do black man, will still be called that by someone who is racist.

The word is more than a word, it is a meme, it is a wall, it is a way to be held back. It is worse than my limited vocabulary can describe here in this forum. I suggest anyone who thinks words don't hurt, should read this book - its only 250 pgs or so - it is a real eye opener.
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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7568927 - 10/28/07 06:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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No matter what, a well to do white man is not going to be called a nigger.




but he can be called a variety of other names, my experience has shown me that
the ones the word 'nigger' tends to offend the most are the Jesse Jackson/Al
Sharpton type biggot drama queers, in short, racists.

your friend is right, it's silly to empower a word, do the jews really get that
upset over words like Kyke or Heeb, are 'crackas' offended by terms such as
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Re: The N word [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7568942 - 10/28/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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your friend is right, it's silly to empower a word, do the jews really get that
upset over words like Kike or Heeb,




Are you kidding? I live in NY - try calling a Jewish persona Heeb. Holy shit. You'll never get away with that. Not that you should, racial slurs are stupid - People usually give you a myriad of reasons to hate them, their race shouldnt be one of them.

Whites don't get upset by being called names, because even if they feel hurt at the slur, they are not going to be social pariahs. You can call a white man craka, but it doesnt have the same "impact" as nigger. No white man has been barred from voting for being a craka. No white man has been hung for being a craka.

Someone earlier said they'd feel scared to see a group of hooded blacks coming their way - but not afraid of they were hooded whites... really? [image][/image]groups in general wearing hoods frighten me.

Someone else said blacks commit more crimes...no, they get prosecuted for more crimes.

Projects are filled with more blacks than whites cause more blacks are poor than whites in urban settings. To find poor whits you have to go to the mountains.

heres a senario:
White man gets caught with gram of coke, black man gets caught with a gram of crack - who do you think is going to go to jail.


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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7569008 - 10/28/07 07:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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You can call a white man craka, but it doesnt have the same "impact" as nigger.




could that be because whites have come to accept that black people are 'racist',
I mean they can call us honkey, cracker and ofay yet we cant use these sort of
derogatory terms in reference to them

I wonder why it is that the blacks are always in an uproar about a few words,
the very words they use to describe each other or the history of their people in
america while the chinese and irish have just moved on and decided to live their
lives and benefit society



No white man has been barred from voting for being a craka. No white man has
been hung for being a craka.


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Someone else said blacks commit more crimes...no, they get prosecuted for more crimes.




maybe they are just dumber and get caught more, in my sort years I've learned
that whites seldom hang out on street corners selling drugs to anyone that pulls
up, while most of us dont view drugs as something that should be criminalized,
the law still does

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Projects are filled with more blacks than whites cause more blacks are poor than whites in urban settings. To find poor whits you have to go to the mountains.





your statement is quite stereotypical, ethnic groups tend to segregate
themselves with like thinking/looking people

while normally I see your opinions as quite valid, I think racism is a subject
you've got a great deal to learn about, that's difficult until you're the
'victim' of one of these acts. I myself grew up in the projects, my mother had 4
kids and $6k/yr with which to support us, at 15 I was sentanced to a community
rehab project, the first day I was one of 4 non-blacks, wihin a week I was the
only one left, there were 300 people in this program that was sponsored and
supported by the NAACP... I got into a lot of fights that summer, I also found
that the NAACP will fight on behalf of non-blacks


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heres a senario:
White man gets caught with gram of coke, black man gets caught with a gram of crack - who do you think is going to go to jail.





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Re: The N word [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7569022 - 10/28/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

prisioner#1

Although I am sorry you have had to experience racism, we are talking about race wide racism, as opposed to individual experience, which isn't as relevant in this conversation.


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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7569065 - 10/28/07 07:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

why should you be sorry for my experience, I'm not, I found it to be a very eye
opening experience, it's a memory that adds to my character, one that lets me know
that as an individual, I am strong

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we are talking about race wide racism





a race of people is a collection of individuals, one white man cannot terrorize
the black population just as you cannot say the whole of the whites hate the black
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Re: The N word [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7569336 - 10/28/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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why should you be sorry for my experience, I'm not, I found it to be a very eye
opening experience, it's a memory that adds to my character, one that lets me know
that as an individual, I am strong

pardon me, sorry was the wrong word, empathize is what i meant to say.As a person who has been on the business end of racism for most of her life, i did not mean to belittle your experience, or the fact that it has shaped you.

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we are talking about race wide racism





a race of people is a collection of individuals, one white man cannot terrorize
the black population just as you cannot say the whole of the whites hate the black
people. racism is a collection of individual experiences.



This is not a thread about whites hating blacks, it was a thread about a slur used in society. There are extreme examples on both sides of racists, but as a whole, the N word is used to describe a certain swath of the population, and no mater how much we embrace it, its origin was born of hatred of differences.

I think we should part amiably P1 and agree to disagree.
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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7569403 - 10/28/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yah...Is it racism if you despise your own race as much as every other one? Or Vice Versa if your racist towards your own race? or is it equality?. cursed rules that no one ever writes down.


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Re: The N word [Re: Irdamage]
    #7569416 - 10/28/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's misanthropy to hate all of humanity equally. However, if you hate people because of their race (even if you hate all equally) as opposed to their humanity, it is still racist.

As far as hating your own race exclusively, that's not uncommon. Not uncommon at all. But it's still racist. Because you're dividing based on race.


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Re: The N word [Re: Irdamage]
    #7569444 - 10/28/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Irdamage said:
Yah...Is it racism if you despise your own race as much as every other one? Or Vice Versa if your racist towards your own race? or is it equality?. cursed rules that no one ever writes down.




No, that's called self hatred.


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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7569449 - 10/28/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I think we should part amiably P1 and agree to disagree.
OoD




yeah, pris.  Can't you see this chick is racially enlightened?
:rolleyes:


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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7569466 - 10/28/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The N word [Re: Asante]
    #7579521 - 10/31/07 06:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate the N word, and I really dislike it being used regardless of the race of the person using it. You just can't turn it into a neutral or even positive thing. People are making up all sorts of bullshit about "what it means" but thats just nonsense. We all know what it means and no revisionism will take that meaning away.

I haven't read the book, but which points made in it have made you stop and think and abandon the word?




Sure you can. It's just cultural conditioning. Like alot of folks say, it's context. I've been on every side of the word, lol. Just a matter of swapping belief structures. No sense in having only one view on an issue. Doesn't mean you have to agree with all perspective either. But it's good for getting tips, being able to converse in different 'points of reference'. LOLZ.

Also stereotyping is natural, not to excuse outright propaganda and dehumanizing groups. But we tend to want to place order on our environment, and we come up with trends and patterns, and connections. It doesn't mean they are rational or logical, but neither are people. Blacks just stand out more because of skin color, and the recent slavery and segregation. Every race has been enslaved and oppressed, and been the slave owners and oppressors, it's just a matter of smoothing out the disparity of a fractured culture, and that takes time, and it's not just black and white, pardon the pun, but just a matter of acculturation vs. ethnic identity (? not sure that's the right word).

Anyhow, we stereotype for a reason. Ordering and stratifying, unity, us them etc. It's when the stereotype become exotoxic, and often autotoxic that it becomes an issue. .... Fuck I'm high... I babble. LOLZ.

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Re: The N word [Re: GoaM]
    #7579524 - 10/31/07 06:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Anyway, fuck all you niggers anyway...;

LOLZ.

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Re: The N word [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #7579621 - 10/31/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I say nigga as irony.


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Re: The N word [Re: Boots]
    #7586511 - 11/02/07 03:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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love,

Saul





LOLZ. That's about right. LOL. Society needs a nigger. I think we been niggered too... ;p

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