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Re: The N word [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #7567042 - 10/27/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That's not to imply that I am for abolishing the word...I mean, I guess I could be for that if it were possible...but it isn't. Its not going away, whether it be rappers or racists, the word is here to stay and the more controversial or taboo it becomes, the longer it will stay and the stronger the impact it will have when used by people with hateful beliefs.

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Re: The N word [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #7567045 - 10/27/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Actually, all words have an inherent meaning. They're called definitions




which can change


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Re: The N word [Re: Tangerines]
    #7567507 - 10/27/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have no problem with people using the word. It's all about context.


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Re: The N word [Re: Sheepish]
    #7567989 - 10/27/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Either its because Im built like a brick shithouse, or because its that Im always smiling (or both), I get away with it all the time. Its all about the environment and mood. Personally, I HATE this Black Empowerment shit that our culture loves to sidestep. Take BET for example. If we had a WET, there would be 10 types of hell raised. Or, Black history month...WTF? Or how THEY can walk around with panther merchandice, and nobody thinks twice. Im Native American, the original NIGGER,lol. We went thru worse as a race, but we arent constantly bringing it up when we get pulled over, or live in poverty in "reservations"......Im ranting, so Ill stop now :smirk:


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Re: The N word [Re: FungusMan]
    #7567997 - 10/27/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Or, Black history month...WTF?




yes, but it is the shortest month of the year :grin:


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Re: The N word [Re: FungusMan]
    #7567999 - 10/27/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I hate it when people have a cry about being labelled.

Harden the fuck up, already.


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Re: The N word [Re: m.v2]
    #7568815 - 10/28/07 05:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I used to feel the same way about "context" - but it goes deeper than this. The psyche of the American social structure has that word and its definition branded into its subconscious. Pun intended.

No matter what, a well to do white man is not going to be called a nigger.
A well to do black man, will still be called that by someone who is racist.

The word is more than a word, it is a meme, it is a wall, it is a way to be held back. It is worse than my limited vocabulary can describe here in this forum. I suggest anyone who thinks words don't hurt, should read this book - its only 250 pgs or so - it is a real eye opener.
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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7568927 - 10/28/07 06:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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No matter what, a well to do white man is not going to be called a nigger.




but he can be called a variety of other names, my experience has shown me that
the ones the word 'nigger' tends to offend the most are the Jesse Jackson/Al
Sharpton type biggot drama queers, in short, racists.

your friend is right, it's silly to empower a word, do the jews really get that
upset over words like Kyke or Heeb, are 'crackas' offended by terms such as
gringo?


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Re: The N word [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7568942 - 10/28/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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your friend is right, it's silly to empower a word, do the jews really get that
upset over words like Kike or Heeb,




Are you kidding? I live in NY - try calling a Jewish persona Heeb. Holy shit. You'll never get away with that. Not that you should, racial slurs are stupid - People usually give you a myriad of reasons to hate them, their race shouldnt be one of them.

Whites don't get upset by being called names, because even if they feel hurt at the slur, they are not going to be social pariahs. You can call a white man craka, but it doesnt have the same "impact" as nigger. No white man has been barred from voting for being a craka. No white man has been hung for being a craka.

Someone earlier said they'd feel scared to see a group of hooded blacks coming their way - but not afraid of they were hooded whites... really? [image][/image]groups in general wearing hoods frighten me.

Someone else said blacks commit more crimes...no, they get prosecuted for more crimes.

Projects are filled with more blacks than whites cause more blacks are poor than whites in urban settings. To find poor whits you have to go to the mountains.

heres a senario:
White man gets caught with gram of coke, black man gets caught with a gram of crack - who do you think is going to go to jail.


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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7569008 - 10/28/07 07:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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You can call a white man craka, but it doesnt have the same "impact" as nigger.




could that be because whites have come to accept that black people are 'racist',
I mean they can call us honkey, cracker and ofay yet we cant use these sort of
derogatory terms in reference to them

I wonder why it is that the blacks are always in an uproar about a few words,
the very words they use to describe each other or the history of their people in
america while the chinese and irish have just moved on and decided to live their
lives and benefit society



No white man has been barred from voting for being a craka. No white man has
been hung for being a craka.


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Someone else said blacks commit more crimes...no, they get prosecuted for more crimes.




maybe they are just dumber and get caught more, in my sort years I've learned
that whites seldom hang out on street corners selling drugs to anyone that pulls
up, while most of us dont view drugs as something that should be criminalized,
the law still does

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Projects are filled with more blacks than whites cause more blacks are poor than whites in urban settings. To find poor whits you have to go to the mountains.





your statement is quite stereotypical, ethnic groups tend to segregate
themselves with like thinking/looking people

while normally I see your opinions as quite valid, I think racism is a subject
you've got a great deal to learn about, that's difficult until you're the
'victim' of one of these acts. I myself grew up in the projects, my mother had 4
kids and $6k/yr with which to support us, at 15 I was sentanced to a community
rehab project, the first day I was one of 4 non-blacks, wihin a week I was the
only one left, there were 300 people in this program that was sponsored and
supported by the NAACP... I got into a lot of fights that summer, I also found
that the NAACP will fight on behalf of non-blacks


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heres a senario:
White man gets caught with gram of coke, black man gets caught with a gram of crack - who do you think is going to go to jail.





both


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Re: The N word [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7569022 - 10/28/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

prisioner#1

Although I am sorry you have had to experience racism, we are talking about race wide racism, as opposed to individual experience, which isn't as relevant in this conversation.


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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7569065 - 10/28/07 07:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

why should you be sorry for my experience, I'm not, I found it to be a very eye
opening experience, it's a memory that adds to my character, one that lets me know
that as an individual, I am strong

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we are talking about race wide racism





a race of people is a collection of individuals, one white man cannot terrorize
the black population just as you cannot say the whole of the whites hate the black
people. racism is a collection of individual experiences.


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Re: The N word [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7569336 - 10/28/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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why should you be sorry for my experience, I'm not, I found it to be a very eye
opening experience, it's a memory that adds to my character, one that lets me know
that as an individual, I am strong

pardon me, sorry was the wrong word, empathize is what i meant to say.As a person who has been on the business end of racism for most of her life, i did not mean to belittle your experience, or the fact that it has shaped you.

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we are talking about race wide racism





a race of people is a collection of individuals, one white man cannot terrorize
the black population just as you cannot say the whole of the whites hate the black
people. racism is a collection of individual experiences.



This is not a thread about whites hating blacks, it was a thread about a slur used in society. There are extreme examples on both sides of racists, but as a whole, the N word is used to describe a certain swath of the population, and no mater how much we embrace it, its origin was born of hatred of differences.

I think we should part amiably P1 and agree to disagree.
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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7569403 - 10/28/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yah...Is it racism if you despise your own race as much as every other one? Or Vice Versa if your racist towards your own race? or is it equality?. cursed rules that no one ever writes down.


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Re: The N word [Re: Irdamage]
    #7569416 - 10/28/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's misanthropy to hate all of humanity equally. However, if you hate people because of their race (even if you hate all equally) as opposed to their humanity, it is still racist.

As far as hating your own race exclusively, that's not uncommon. Not uncommon at all. But it's still racist. Because you're dividing based on race.


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Re: The N word [Re: Irdamage]
    #7569444 - 10/28/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Yah...Is it racism if you despise your own race as much as every other one? Or Vice Versa if your racist towards your own race? or is it equality?. cursed rules that no one ever writes down.




No, that's called self hatred.


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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7569449 - 10/28/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I think we should part amiably P1 and agree to disagree.
OoD




yeah, pris.  Can't you see this chick is racially enlightened?
:rolleyes:


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Re: The N word [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7569466 - 10/28/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The N word [Re: Asante]
    #7579521 - 10/31/07 06:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate the N word, and I really dislike it being used regardless of the race of the person using it. You just can't turn it into a neutral or even positive thing. People are making up all sorts of bullshit about "what it means" but thats just nonsense. We all know what it means and no revisionism will take that meaning away.

I haven't read the book, but which points made in it have made you stop and think and abandon the word?




Sure you can. It's just cultural conditioning. Like alot of folks say, it's context. I've been on every side of the word, lol. Just a matter of swapping belief structures. No sense in having only one view on an issue. Doesn't mean you have to agree with all perspective either. But it's good for getting tips, being able to converse in different 'points of reference'. LOLZ.

Also stereotyping is natural, not to excuse outright propaganda and dehumanizing groups. But we tend to want to place order on our environment, and we come up with trends and patterns, and connections. It doesn't mean they are rational or logical, but neither are people. Blacks just stand out more because of skin color, and the recent slavery and segregation. Every race has been enslaved and oppressed, and been the slave owners and oppressors, it's just a matter of smoothing out the disparity of a fractured culture, and that takes time, and it's not just black and white, pardon the pun, but just a matter of acculturation vs. ethnic identity (? not sure that's the right word).

Anyhow, we stereotype for a reason. Ordering and stratifying, unity, us them etc. It's when the stereotype become exotoxic, and often autotoxic that it becomes an issue. .... Fuck I'm high... I babble. LOLZ.

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Re: The N word [Re: GoaM]
    #7579524 - 10/31/07 06:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Anyway, fuck all you niggers anyway...;

LOLZ.

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