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Re: the right of ownership of ones body [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7583766 - 11/01/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it sucks but who are we to tell someone else what is "RIGHT" and "WRONG" its all the norm anyways isnt it, norms and opinions welcome to Earth


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Re: the right of ownership of ones body [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7584071 - 11/01/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

adjust said:
i am mostly interested in this:

is there a line of reasoning where one can

1 - respect this idea in general (the right of ownership of ones body)

AND

2 - not respect this idea in limited cases

OR

3 - render the entire question irrelavent

edit: the line of reasoning must be logically consistent




I choose 3.

The question becomes irrelevant when you consider that the idea of "rights" is altogether unnecessary.

What I mean is that, as sentient people able to effectively communicate in some fashion, we can either agree to respect each other because we genuinely want to, or not.

There is no need to invoke some imaginary principal which dictates the parameters of interaction. Such a principal REQUIRES an authoritarian system to be upheld. As we have seen, humanity has not done so well with such power structures.

If the concept of rights is gone we are back to square one: you can either choose to respect someone else, or you can choose to live with minimal interaction with anyone else, or you can face the consequences of unprovoked disrespect.

In the case of the physical body, respect means that you're not going to harm or kill someone unless they are trying to do the same to you, and you're not going to go around with a badge and uniform on harassing, beating and arresting people because some lawyer wearing a robe said you could.

If a person can not be said to own their own body, there had better be some really stellar evidence to show it. As far as I'm concerned, from a "legal" standpoint, my body is the only real "property" "I" "own" in this life.

There are people alive today who will swear up and down that if you have a U.S. birth certificate and a social security number, you do not own your body. The industrial banking monopoly that controls the government does.

I'm not so sure because I haven't done the research. But I do see a lot of people giving away control of their own mind to the government, because they believe that the government is there to protect their "rights". Well, turns out its not. That's all a lie.

imo None of this would be nearly as urgent and important if individuals spent more time working on themselves instead of ignoring their inner landscape and letting the garbage pile up so high they become intoxicated by it.

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Re: the right of ownership of ones body [Re: Clean]
    #7587061 - 11/02/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)



here is an instance where the invocation of "rights" makes the most sense to me. But again, any ideas we have about "rights" can hinge on the will of each individual, or they can hinge on a pyramidal authoritarian power structure that subjects individuals to its rule without consent (which is what we have today). And then who is going to check this system of power? Are the individuals in "official" positions subject to the same rules they impose on others?

Edited by Clean (11/05/07 08:47 AM)

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Re: the right of ownership of ones body [Re: Clean]
    #7592852 - 11/03/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

is that the fountainhead?

sounds like rand

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Re: the right of ownership of ones body [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7593307 - 11/04/07 01:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

'tis.
i haven't read any of her works, only seen that clip.

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Re: the right of ownership of ones body [Re: Clean]
    #7597229 - 11/05/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i wonder if they include the rape scene in the movie?

it was reading ayn rand that led me to make this post

im still very confused about this

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