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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: Nephlyte]
#7574310 - 10/29/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Insurance isn't any kind of solution to any problem, ever. Insurance is an institution of rich people gambling on the lives of others to turn a profit. Anyone proposing insurance as a means of diaster relief is completely .
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: Nephlyte]
#7574329 - 10/29/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nephlyte said: This is a dangerous precedent. Especially considering that when we bring it up in a public forum like this, everyone bickers over the pros and cons of FEMA. Instead of the pros and cons the government publicly and openly creating fake news.
So we shouldn't debate related ideas that are more prone to debate, instead of us all lining up and saying "Ahh that is nonsense and unthinkable that they would do that"? It is clearly demonstratable that what they have pulled is bullshit, and that no one in their right mind is going to defend such activity, and clearly the government has reacted harshly agansit this unethical behavior, so there is nothing left to disuss, really, except the validity of the organization in general.
I don't see any dangerous precedent. I also don't see how us deciding to discuss something wider in scope than something that we can all conclude upon is somehow enabling the act.
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: fireworks_god]
#7574990 - 10/29/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think that Borat summed it up better, don't you?
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: afoaf]
#7575255 - 10/30/07 01:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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FEMA should have hired him for their news conference.
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: fireworks_god]
#7575423 - 10/30/07 04:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Insurance isn't any kind of solution to any problem, ever. Insurance is an institution of rich people gambling on the lives of others to turn a profit. Anyone proposing insurance as a means of diaster relief is completely .
And what is wrong with these rich people gambling on the lives of others to turn a profit?
I don't see any alternative either, save for self insurance, which I allready stated was a better alternative, but not everyone living in a given area will have the resources to get lost when shit goes down in this case.
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: fireworks_god]
#7577212 - 10/30/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Insurance isn't any kind of solution to any problem, ever. Insurance is an institution of rich people gambling on the lives of others to turn a profit. Anyone proposing insurance as a means of diaster relief is completely .
I will address specific issues. "Insurance is an institution". This is without meaning. Utter blather. Looks good to leftards but is totally devoid of any possible semantic validity. For the easily led who often fall prey to the usual "That just semantics" plea when someone's arguments are collapsing into a dung heap of irrationality, semantics refers to meaning. A statement either has meaning or it doesn't. This one has none. Insurance can in no way be characterized as an institution.
"rich people gambling on the lives of others" This too is nonsense. Insurance is a shared risk pool. Large groups of people get together and choose to pay money (accept a small liability) against the off chance that they can be indemnified against a catastrophe (a large liability). Profit margins for insurance companies are quite tight:
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The report notes: "Of the 544 insurers studied by Weiss for the year ending 2003, 69 percent experienced either negative margins or profit margins of less than five percent." http://www.joepaduda.com/archives/000025.html
Further, insurance companies are publicly traded. Anybody can own part of one. Go for it.
"Anyone proposing insurance as a means of diaster relief is completely ."
How are government programs anything but a shared risk pool? Insurance, in other words. Except rates are not determined by level of risk but by ability to earn money. Which is why people persist in ignoring level of risk and why people who don't are fucking sick and tired of assholes who keep rebuilding in floodplains, hurricane zones, earthquake zones, wildfire zones etc. Now that's cuckoo, pal, damn cuckoo. And selfish too. Let them pay for their own coverage.
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7577693 - 10/30/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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right on
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: johnm214]
#7578484 - 10/30/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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So who's being held accountable for this? Is anyone going to get fired or reprimanded?
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7578495 - 10/30/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: So who's being held accountable for this? Is anyone going to get fired or reprimanded?
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In an internal memo obtained Monday by CNN, Federal Emergency Management Agency chief David Paulison rips the agency's public affairs staff for a staged news conference in which staff members posed questions to FEMA's No. 2 official, Harvey Johnson.
Pat Philbin won't be taking over as head of public relations for the director of national intelligence.
Paulison said the entire episode "represented egregious decision-making" by the director of external affairs for FEMA, Pat Philbin, and his staff, who, he said, "lost perspective of the core imperative that they preserve the credibility of our agency."
Philbin was scheduled to become director of public affairs for the director of national intelligence -- a job National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell said Philbin will not be doing.
It was not immediately clear whether Philbin offered his resignation or was fired just as he was set to begin the job.
"Their actions represented a breach of ethical practice that tore at the credibility of FEMA, the deputy administrator and that of their own office," Paulison wrote in his memo. "I do not condone their actions, no matter how well-intended, and have conveyed my displeasure directly through formal reprimand and admonishment to those involved." Video Watch what happened at FEMA's fake news conference ยป
Paulison said reporters were given only 15 minutes notice for the news conference, held last Tuesday after the agency received a number of media queries about its response to the California wildfires. When reporters did not show up on time, staffers asked the questions -- and reporters, who had been given a phone number to call in to the conference, could only listen.
"Inadequate notice is not acceptable," Paulison said in his memo, and setting up a "listen only" conference call for reporters was "inappropriate."
"Under no circumstances is it appropriate for FEMA employees to pose questions during a FEMA press event," he wrote.
He added, "I am extremely displeased by what transpired and will make the necessary changes in order to regain confidence and credibility in the eyes of the people we serve."
In a telephone call to CNN earlier Monday, Paulison said Philbin sent him an e-mail in which he took full responsibility for the incident.
Paulison said the events were "not acceptable," adding that not allowing reporters on the telephone to ask questions was "ridiculous."
"I am calling to apologize and say it will not happen again," he said.
He said "the rules are changing" to prevent any recurrence. Reporters will now be given at least an hour's warning before a press conference and reporters calling in will be able to ask questions in the future, he said.
FEMA got generally high marks for its response to the California wildfires, but Paulison said he was sure the press conference flap has had a bad effect on morale.
"The last two years of planning for a major disaster fell in place. ... Things were working as they were supposed to ... and that just killed everything you tried to have happen," he said.
Johnson, a retired admiral who fielded the staged questions at the news conference, "really didn't have an awareness" of what was taking place, Paulison said. He said Johnson was not familiar with all the people working in the press office and did not recognize that they were the ones asking questions.
"He just feels sick about it," said Paulison. "He feels his credibility has been hurt." advertisement
However, reporters noted that Johnson called on at least one person by name.
Russ Knocke, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security, will be moving over to the FEMA press operation temporarily to complete an investigation into the news conference incident and find a replacement for Philbin.
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7578566 - 10/30/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Johnson, a retired admiral who fielded the staged questions at the news conference, "really didn't have an awareness" of what was taking place, Paulison said. He said Johnson was not familiar with all the people working in the press office and did not recognize that they were the ones asking questions.
"He just feels sick about it," said Paulison. "He feels his credibility has been hurt." advertisement
umm... fail?
Didn't know what was going on? You were being recorded asking questions you were given beforehand to people in a news conference, but didn't know what was going on... Sorry man, that makes no sense. Just say your sorry
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: johnm214]
#7578580 - 10/30/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats not what it says at all.
It says that he was not aware that the people giving the questions worked for FEMA. He took the questions, not asked them. He had not heard them beforehand.
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7578588 - 10/30/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh yeah, good call... fielded=recieved=/=asked
got that mixed up
guess his story is plausible then
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Re: FEMA Calls Fake News Conference - WTF?? [Re: johnm214]
#7580576 - 10/31/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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h yeah, good call... fielded=recieved=/=asked
got that mixed up
guess his story is plausible then
That's not how it seems to me:
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However, reporters noted that Johnson called on at least one person by name.
If he knew them by name he must have known they were workers for fema.
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