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 Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons.  [Re: FecalDildo]
#7571937 - 10/29/07 05:59 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why would they need a buffer from a country that was already in shambles? They wanted a buffer from US.
They gave a shitload of aid and a blessing to North Korea also when they decided to invade South Korea. I think that was the turning point where the USSR proved they wanted more than just a buffer. I don't know if America would have been so involved in everyone's business if the USSR and China hasn't been so aggressive and forceful with their ideas.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: BrAiN]
#7572087 - 10/29/07 07:06 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Germany was in a shambles after losing the first world war through out the 1920's and early 30's. As I mentioned that didn't stop them killing 20 million russians. Sorry but your argument is invalid.
Your comments regarding the korean war make me giggle and next you'll be explaining the domino theory to me and checking for reds under the bed.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
#7572108 - 10/29/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm anti communism, but I think if a country democratically elects a gov't that is communist then that's the way things should be, and we should leave them alone as was the case with Chile and Iran.
You seem to think that South Korea WANTED North Korea to invade them and slaughter them and that Russia had nothing to do with it.
I don't check under my bed for communist monsters at night. I check under my bed for communist monsters that plan on tying me up and forcing me to be commust at gunpoint and killing my family.
You were right in saying that the USSR and America had drawn up plans about who would manage what after the war. USSR, though, was the first to jump the gun by assisting North Korea in crossing the 38th parallel. We were no angels in the way we reacted for the next 40 years, but I still think the USSR's blessing and aid to North Korea was the spark that kicked off the whole Cold War.
You think it's laughable, but why do you think we had pretty much every other country out there on our side during the Korean War? Russia was the one violating the rules they agreed to previously.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: BrAiN]
#7572145 - 10/29/07 07:38 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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, though, was the first to jump the gun by assisting North Korea in crossing the 38th parallel.
LOL, you are funny, the historical crossing of the 38th parallel by the red army happened on August 26 1945, nearly a full five years before the Korean war started on June 25, 1950.
The crossing of the 38th had absolutely nothing to do with assisting the north korean army. You cant just rewrite history with glaring errors just to try and prove to me that america is the good boy and russia did it all.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
#7572189 - 10/29/07 08:05 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Soviets halted at the 38th parallel in August of 1945. A few of them SUPPOSEDLY spilled over at that time fighting the Japanese but it didn't cause any armed conflict with South Korea or the United States. This wasn't an act of agression against South Korea. What the fuck are you talking about? Why are you trying to change the subject?
You're acting like there was a massive Soviet invasion of South Korea in 1945. What "HISTORIAL corssing" are you talking about in 1945?
Where you YOU pulling YOUR history from? Your BONG? You're acting like the USA didn't have any reason to mistrust the Soviets and I'm telling you that Stalin approved and assisted North Korea's invasion of South Korea after they agreed not to cross the 38th parallel, and you're focusing on a few troops passing that line during the very end of WWII and acting like it was some historial invasion?
Is this what you do every time you get proven wrong? You try to make up your own history and change the subject?
Please tell me more about this HISTORIAL 1945 crossing? Were the sugar plum fairies and peter pan there as well? Was captain HOOK one of the leaders of this soviet invasion? Was it before or after the crocodile ate his hand?
I'm to get started on baking some treats. I'll return with some chocolate chip cookies, a glass of milk, and my blankie. When I return I expect to hear wondrous tales about magical and imaginaary 1945 historial crossing.. even though it has nothing to do with what we were talking about before.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: BrAiN]
#7572236 - 10/29/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sure is taking you a while to respond. Maybe you're busy digging through wikipedia and google trying to find some sort of example to support this "histprical 1945 crossing" claim only to realize it didn't exist.
It's ok... you can admit you were wrong. We'll try real hard not to laugh. This *IS* the shroomery. We're pretty much used by now to having people making up random facts off the top of their head and THEN trying to find support later on.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: BrAiN]
#7572309 - 10/29/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stick to the topic, please...
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: Seuss]
#7572331 - 10/29/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what I was trying to do.
We're talking about whether or not the USSR was a threat and I mentioned how they were the first to abandon the rules we set out at the end of WWII by saying how they helped North Korea invade south Korea... giving us just cause not to trust them
Then Bong boy starts ranting about some imaginary invasion of the Soviets that, even if it WERE true, had nothing to do with the topic.
If you're going to start changing the topic and making up random history like that then I'm sorry.. you're going to get called out for it. If it were true, I don't know why he'd even bring it up. All it does it add more evidence to support MY theory.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
#7573406 - 10/29/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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In your first paragraph you claim America is being targeted by Russia and China and in your second paragraph you imply that there are no entities targeting America worthy of having a nuclear deterrent. Or don't play dumb and ask stupid question, it's a waste of my time.
No I mentioned that russia and china have nukes aimed at you, then I asked what you believed were the major threats, hence your reply of Eurasia.
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When you have multiple submarines that each are capable of launching the 192 warheads on board, trust me, you're less of a target.
I replied with...
"Consider Australia, we have no nuclear weapons at our disposal, in what ways are we more of a target than the U.S? "
Then you got confused and resorted to this gooblygook...
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Do you understand what less of a target means? How does America being less of a target have anything to do with the aussies.
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Yea, because it wasn't like the soviets were trying to bring as many countries under their sphere of influence through any means necessary.
america was engaged in just as much international interference at the time with dirty wars and puppet regimes all through central and south america and in south east asia.
I'm not trying to say that two wrongs make a right but I understand the USSR wanting to try and counter americas habit of inflicting democracy or right wing tyrants in every country that they could throw money at.
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I have friends whose entire families were slaughtered in Hungary in the 50's by the soviets. Soviet communism killed millions in and outside of the USSR.
Maybe they could compare notes with my relatives in Chile.
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Half the world being controlled by the Soviets by proxy isn't a threat to America?
Half the world being controlled by the Americans by proxy wasn't a threat to the USSR?
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Millions of allies and potential allies of America being slaughtered by the soviets isn't a threat?
How many potential allies of the russians were killed by america in south east asia, including Indonesia, Korea, The Malayan Peninsula and Vietnam and laos? Do I need mention south america where even democratically elected governments weren't safe from American fuckery.
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We avoided war with Russia and China every time it drew near
Only because you knew that entering into such a conflict would result in the destruction of your country, america only fights the weak and often loses even then.
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Vietnam was a farce and I would not consider it a major conflict
1.5 million Vietnamese killed by America might disagree.
Maybe you need a few books yourself, try history.
Continuing to bullshit by mentioning austrialia is doing you no good. Again, what the hell do the aussies have to do with anything?
America was right and the USSR was wrong. It's that simple. Both sides did bad things, USSR did worse.
Trying to equate what happened in Chile to Hungary is a fucking disgrace if you knew anything. It shames me to know that what happened in chile and hungary was America's fault. The US had a bad habit at the time of either under or overachieving neither of which worked out well. That still has nothing to do with USSR being an enemy to the west and it's own people. And without soviet intervention and influence in Chile, it's unlikely Pinochet or any brutal dictator who perceived there was a need for polliticide would have came to power.
What the Soviets may have perceived as a threat meant jack shit. America was right and the USSR was wrong. Anything short of causing WW3 was necessary and proper to stifle the soviet's expansion of influence.
American fuckery was fighting Soviet fuckery. Any time that American fuckery lost out to Soviet fuckery was one to many.
Ugh... the whole fucking point of this discussion was about the necessity of MAD in preventing a larger conflict, or did you forget that. The second clause of that sentence clearly shows your ignorance but I assume it's more you trolling.
Gee, really? Thanks for the history lesson captain obvious. Maybe next you tell me what the major conflicts were for former yugoslavians, Somalians, Afganis, Iraqis, Chechens, Sri Lankins, etc. What do they have to do with my POV?
Maybe you could share with me some of your textbooks from 1970's USSR that you seem to love to much.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: d33p]
#7573434 - 10/29/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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What the Soviets may have perceived as a threat meant jack shit. America was right and the USSR was wrong. Anything short of causing WW3 was necessary and proper to stifle the soviet's expansion of influence.
I wouldn't go as far as to say we were "right" (not saying we were wrong either), but I pretty much agree with everything else you said there.
I especially like the fuckery part. I wonder how much fuckery would have happened had there not been a WWII.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: d33p]
#7573460 - 10/29/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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DimensionX said:
Not to mention that vietnam was merely a front for a war between russia and america, basically the hot part of the cold war. This is all in history books as fecaldildo says. If it makes you feel safer having so many nukes sitting in your country that it could destory the entire world several times over, im sure i cant change your mind.
That is why it was a farce. It was unwinnable in any conventional sense as winning would have required the defeat of the USSR which wouldn't have happened short of WW3. At the time, in American policy maker's eyes winning was preventing the north from overtaking the south which was accomplished until all personnel and aid was pulled out.
About the second sentence, yes it does and I doubt you could.
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perhaps humans will actually transcend limited perspectives and come to find we are all the same beings, on one planet.
When that happens, I'll be the first to join hands with you and sing jam band songs.
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A lot of people just keep thinking doom doom doom our future is doomed. But from what I see...there are a lot more peaceful, open, understanding younger people now a days. These younger people will eventually be the leaders. And who knows? Maybe the world's superpowers will decide to get rid of the weapons of mass destruction.
We all know the kind of good the american flower children of the 60s and 70s are doing in the US government now. I have hope, especially for Iran which is why I think we should try to stop fucking with them, but hope has ended up ass fucking me a hell of a lot more than cynicism.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: BrAiN]
#7574251 - 10/29/07 07:54 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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BrAiN said:
Sure is taking you a while to respond. Maybe you're busy digging through wikipedia and google trying to find some sort of example to support this "histprical 1945 crossing" claim only to realize it didn't exist.
It's ok... you can admit you were wrong. We'll try real hard not to laugh. This *IS* the shroomery. We're pretty much used by now to having people making up random facts off the top of their head and THEN trying to find support later on.
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As agreed with the United States, the USSR halted its troops at the 38th parallel on August 26, however on September 3 Lt. Gen. John R. Hodge, commander of XXIV Corps and designated U.S. Commander in Korea, received a radio message from Lt. Gen. Yoshio Kozuki, commander of the Japanese 17th Area Army in Korea, reporting that Soviet forces had advanced south of the 38th Parallel only in the Kaesong area[17]. U.S. troops were in the southern part of the peninsula in early September 1945.
What were you saying?
Oh, and at the start of the korean war there were no soviet troops left in korea to cross that line. You lose.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: d33p]
#7574257 - 10/29/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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SWo now you blaming the soviets for over throwing the democratically elected socialist government of Chile?
You Americans would be hilarious if you weren't so targically sad.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
#7574288 - 10/29/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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SWo now you blaming the soviets for over throwing the democratically elected socialist government of Chile?
You Americans would be hilarious if you weren't so targically sad.
Thank you, you've done a fine job of you making yourself appear dumb.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: d33p]
#7574367 - 10/29/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seriously, please explain how the soviets were to blame for the American funded and supported overthrow of the Allende government in Chile?
I'll sit here and laugh until you answer that.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
#7574563 - 10/29/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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This thread kicks ass. 
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
#7574857 - 10/29/07 10:36 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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FecalDildo said:
Seriously, please explain how the soviets were to blame for the American funded and supported overthrow of the Allende government in Chile?
I'll sit here and laugh until you answer that.
Seriously, please explain where I said that the soviets were to blame for the American funded and supported overthrow of the Allende government in Chile.
I'll sit here and laugh until you answer that.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: d33p]
#7575287 - 10/30/07 01:53 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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And without soviet intervention and influence in Chile, it's unlikely Pinochet or any brutal dictator who perceived there was a need for polliticide would have came to power.
Right, it was russians fault that the CIA overthrew a legitimate elected government.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
#7575342 - 10/30/07 02:47 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol always with the Russians, and now... always with the Muslims. If the American government/capitalist system was so good , they would have nothing to fear from the communists. Their constant state of fear and violent behaviour shows how unstable their system actually is. Although i can understand the idea of wanting a shit load of weapons for self defence purposes. Because of all the psycho's out there... Only problem is when you approach someone with a gun in your pocket(just in case) it makes it impossible for you to be friends.
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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: DimensionX]
#7575344 - 10/30/07 02:49 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Only problem is when you approach someone with a gun in your pocket(just in case) it makes it impossible for you to be friends.
Does it? 
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