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America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons.
    #7564952 - 10/26/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah right, as if that would ever happen.


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7564986 - 10/26/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lets all learn to love the bomb...


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7565000 - 10/26/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7565062 - 10/26/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think it will ever happen and it shouldn't. If the US destroyed all of it's Nukes we would be sitting ducks for Russia, China, and other non friendlies. It's nice that we have so much power but the politicians have lost there way and are blind with it.

They don't realize that the reason we fought the Revolutionary war was because we didn't like having a country far away controlling us. With no say on what goes on in there own country. Now a days with us trying to be the worlds police and us trying to tell other countries how to run there own government. I think it was Jefferson that strongly insisted that we stay out of European affairs (I could be wrong on who it was but it was one of the founding fathers) If the founding fathers could see what this government is doing to it's own citizens and the world there would be hell to pay.

I just think we need a very confident, strong minded and influential person to help unite the people and take the back this great country that is slowly turning into a dictatorship.

Sorry for the babbling but I think more people need to say what we're all thinking. Peace


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: pabloescabar]
    #7565271 - 10/26/07 11:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There is also the thought that you having nukes actually makes you more of a target. It makes you threatening to everyone else and some people tend to respond violently to threats. Notice that the threats of nuclear violence have always been between two countries with nukes. If a country threatened a non nuclear country with nukes, there would be a huge backlash from the rest of the world. There are other ways of thinking, in my opinion the best way to ensure your safety is to be useful to everyone else, people like the U.S because you buy their products, which makes them money, and it also makes you money because you then sell them internally for greater profits. Its a symbiotic relationship, with co operation we all profit. And humans need to co operate to survive, you can see this in your every day lives.


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: DimensionX]
    #7566035 - 10/27/07 08:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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There is also the thought that you having nukes actually makes you more of a target. It makes you threatening to everyone else and some people tend to respond violently to threats. Notice that the threats of nuclear violence have always been between two countries with nukes. If a country threatened a non nuclear country with nukes, there would be a huge backlash from the rest of the world. There are other ways of thinking, in my opinion the best way to ensure your safety is to be useful to everyone else, people like the U.S because you buy their products, which makes them money, and it also makes you money because you then sell them internally for greater profits. Its a symbiotic relationship, with co operation we all profit. And humans need to co operate to survive, you can see this in your every day lives.




When you have multiple submarines that each are capable of launching the 192 warheads on board, trust me, you're less of a target.


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: d33p]
    #7566044 - 10/27/07 08:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Who need nukes when all your country's men have VEDY VEDY LARGE PEEEEENISES


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: d33p]
    #7568930 - 10/28/07 06:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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When you have multiple submarines that each are capable of launching the 192 warheads on board, trust me, you're less of a target.




Is that why russia and china have hundreds of ballistic missiles aimed at the the U.S? If you call that less of a target, what would you consider to be more of a target? Consider Australia, we have no nuclear weapons at our disposal, in what ways are we more of a target than the U.S?

The term target would indicate the presence of an aggressor, what individuals,organizations or countries would you consider to pose such a threat that large arsenals of nuclear weapons are needed as a deterrent?


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7569018 - 10/28/07 07:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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d33p said:


When you have multiple submarines that each are capable of launching the 192 warheads on board, trust me, you're less of a target.




Is that why russia and china have hundreds of ballistic missiles aimed at the the U.S? If you call that less of a target, what would you consider to be more of a target? Consider Australia, we have no nuclear weapons at our disposal, in what ways are we more of a target than the U.S?

The term target would indicate the presence of an aggressor, what individuals,organizations or countries would you consider to pose such a threat that large arsenals of nuclear weapons are needed as a deterrent?




First of all, why the fuck do you completely contradict yourself in your two paragraphs?

The term target would indicate that someone intends to fire on it. Considering that mutually assured destruction has worked for the past 60 or so years, I'd say there is something to it. Countries may have their weapon pointed as us but with the promise of the complete destruction of their countries in retaliation they are not going to fire.

Bringing up Australia was idiotic to say the least as it should be common sense to anyone that the circumstances which determine the level to which a country is a target are vast. Are you able to comprehend the notion that possession of a weapon can lower the desire for others countries to attack it while there may still be others countries that no one gives a fuck about. America emerged from WW2 as as superpower facing the greatest enemy it's ever known which caused it to meddle in many others affairs, some nobly, some not. That is why America would be regarded as such a potential target, yet it has managed to avoid every single major conflict, can you guess why that happened?

As to what countries pose a threat? Every single one especially Eurasia. I don't plan on having sex tonight but that doesn't mean I should throw out all my condoms.


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7569075 - 10/28/07 08:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Which country in America are you talking about? Is Canada and Australia still selling uranium to other countries? Are they contributing to the problem of nuclear weapons?


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: Luddite]
    #7569213 - 10/28/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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First of all, why the fuck do you completely contradict yourself in your two paragraphs?






I can't see that I did.


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d33p said:


Bringing up Australia was idiotic to say the least as it should be common sense to anyone that the circumstances which determine the level to which a country is a target are vast.





Idiotic why?




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America emerged from WW2 as as superpower facing the greatest enemy it's ever known





The russians were an enemy America created because of political differences and ideology, the soviets never displayed any intent to invade america and you'd be more accurate to call them the greatest enemy you ever invented.



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d33p said:yet it has managed to avoid every single major conflict, can you guess why that happened?




Which major conflicts have you managed to avoid? What happened in Vietnam for over ten years?


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As to what countries pose a threat? Every single one especially Eurasia. I don't plan on having sex tonight but that doesn't mean I should throw out all my condoms.




Well Eurasia isn't a country and I'm interested to know why you see Europe as well as asia as a threat? The last time I checked, Europe was comprised of the nations that form your most important alliances.


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7570213 - 10/28/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Russia and Turkey are Eurasian nations. Russia is no friend. Maybe they should set an example.


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7570323 - 10/28/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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FecalDildo said:
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d33p said:


First of all, why the fuck do you completely contradict yourself in your two paragraphs?






I can't see that I did.


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d33p said:


Bringing up Australia was idiotic to say the least as it should be common sense to anyone that the circumstances which determine the level to which a country is a target are vast.





Idiotic why?




Quote:

d33p said:
America emerged from WW2 as as superpower facing the greatest enemy it's ever known





The russians were an enemy America created because of political differences and ideology, the soviets never displayed any intent to invade america and you'd be more accurate to call them the greatest enemy you ever invented.



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d33p said:yet it has managed to avoid every single major conflict, can you guess why that happened?




Which major conflicts have you managed to avoid? What happened in Vietnam for over ten years?


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As to what countries pose a threat? Every single one especially Eurasia. I don't plan on having sex tonight but that doesn't mean I should throw out all my condoms.




Well Eurasia isn't a country and I'm interested to know why you see Europe as well as asia as a threat? The last time I checked, Europe was comprised of the nations that form your most important alliances.




In your first paragraph you claim America is being targeted by Russia and China and in your second paragraph you imply that there are no entities targeting America worthy of having a nuclear deterrent. Or don't play dumb and ask stupid question, it's a waste of my time.

Do you understand what less of a target means? How does America being less of a target have anything to do with the aussies.

Yea, because it wasn't like the soviets were trying to bring as many countries under their sphere of influence through any means necessary. I have friends whose entire families were slaughtered in Hungary in the 50's by the soviets. Soviet communism killed millions in and outside of the USSR. Half the world being controlled by the Soviets by proxy isn't a threat to America? Half the world being communist shit holes would have presented no threat? Millions of allies and potential allies of America being slaughtered by the soviets isn't a threat?

We avoided war with Russia and China every time it drew near, not an easy feat, one greatly helped by MAD. For 10 years in vietnam we won every major battle and walked on egg shells so as not to ignite a larger war. Vietnam was a farce and I would not consider it a major conflict which I attribute to one on the scale of the world wars.

Eurasia was a reference to a double-plus good book. Try reading one some time.


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: d33p]
    #7571488 - 10/28/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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In your first paragraph you claim America is being targeted by Russia and China and in your second paragraph you imply that there are no entities targeting America worthy of having a nuclear deterrent. Or don't play dumb and ask stupid question, it's a waste of my time.




No I mentioned that russia and china have nukes aimed at you, then I asked what you believed were the major threats, hence your reply of Eurasia.

You first said...
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When you have multiple submarines that each are capable of launching the 192 warheads on board, trust me, you're less of a target.




I replied with...
"Consider Australia, we have no nuclear weapons at our disposal, in what ways are we more of a target than the U.S? "


Then you got confused and resorted to this gooblygook...
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Do you understand what less of a target means? How does America being less of a target have anything to do with the aussies.






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Yea, because it wasn't like the soviets were trying to bring as many countries under their sphere of influence through any means necessary.




america was engaged in just as much international interference at the time with dirty wars and puppet regimes all through central and south america and in south east asia.

I'm not trying to say that two wrongs make a right but I understand the USSR wanting to try and counter americas habit of inflicting democracy or right wing tyrants in every country that they could throw money at.


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I have friends whose entire families were slaughtered in Hungary in the 50's by the soviets. Soviet communism killed millions in and outside of the USSR.




Maybe they could compare notes with my relatives in Chile.


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Half the world being controlled by the Soviets by proxy isn't a threat to America?




Half the world being controlled by the Americans by proxy wasn't a threat to the USSR?


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Millions of allies and potential allies of America being slaughtered by the soviets isn't a threat?




How many potential allies of the russians were killed by america in south east asia, including Indonesia, Korea, The Malayan Peninsula and Vietnam and laos? Do I need mention south america where even democratically elected governments weren't safe from American fuckery.

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We avoided war with Russia and China every time it drew near




Only because you knew that entering into such a conflict would result in the destruction of your country, america only fights the weak and often loses even then.


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Vietnam was a farce and I would not consider it a major conflict




1.5 million Vietnamese killed by America might disagree.


Maybe you need a few books yourself, try history.


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7571550 - 10/29/07 12:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Not to mention that vietnam was merely a front for a war between russia and america, basically the hot part of the cold war. This is all in history books as fecaldildo says. If it makes you feel safer having so many nukes sitting in your country that it could destory the entire world several times over, im sure i cant change your mind.


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7571711 - 10/29/07 02:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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FecalDildo said:I'm not trying to say that two wrongs make a right but I understand the USSR wanting to try and counter americas habit of inflicting democracy or right wing tyrants in every country that they could throw money at.





Just to be clear, they started it. Everywhere they touched during WWII became a puppet to Moscow.

They were not countering America by spreading communism. They were simply spreading their influence and gathering resources and power.


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7571752 - 10/29/07 02:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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They were not countering America by spreading communism.  They were simply spreading their influence and gathering resources and power.




Yes; similarily, America was not countering the spread of communism.

I think it is scary how another Cold War is being orchestrated once more. For example, you have America designating missile launch sites in Eastern Europe, and you have to ask the question, why? There is no enemy there designating that we draw "our" border somewhere acrossed an ocean and another continent and point defenses towards the other half of the globe, but you can be certain that our doing so is creating enemies. :rolleyes:

Isn't anyone else failing to understand why we must continue to perpetuate this false dichotomy? I thought we experienced the height of the failure of us vs. them in the '60's. Why are those in power interested in making it happen once more? The world isn't going to benefit from there being two world powers, only the defense industry will. I'm hoping some good will come of this - perhaps humans will actually transcend limited perspectives and come to find we are all the same beings, on one planet.

I thought we learned all of this from the last Cold War. I guess I was wrong. :shrug:


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7571754 - 10/29/07 02:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah right, as if that would ever happen.




A lot of people just keep thinking doom doom doom our future is doomed. But from what I see...there are a lot more peaceful, open, understanding younger people now a days. These younger people will eventually be the leaders. And who knows? Maybe the world's superpowers will decide to get rid of the weapons of mass destruction.


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: aDoS]
    #7571861 - 10/29/07 04:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

As much as I bitch about our intervention in Chile and Iran...

I can say this.. at least America didn't kill MILLIONS of people during the cold war like Russie did by starving them to death.

I don't think it was communism per se that America was worried about but the way it was implemented (see the Korean War).


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Re: America sets global example by agreeing to scrap all nuclear weapons. [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7571873 - 10/29/07 05:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Just to be clear, they started it. Everywhere they touched during WWII became a puppet to Moscow.






Just to be clear, the American and Russian commanders sat down together in berlin and carved up europe over a few glasses of german lager. No, russia did not start it. Also lets look at the situation, Russia has just suffered over 20 million casualties as a result of Hitlers ambition. The russian desire to anex a large buffer between themselves and the country that has started the two largest wars in history in just a twenty five year time frame is far from surprising is it?

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They were simply spreading their influence and gathering resources and power.





Sixty years later and America is still trying to spread their influence and gather oil, I mean resources and power.


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