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So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW!
#7564285 - 10/26/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The goal in life is to suffer.
Nothing worthwhile is free or is done the easy way.
What does this mean? I now fee guilty about happiness. Am i slowing down because my goal in life is to obtain a state where suffering is minimal? Am i going against the human purpose in life.
What if i finally accomplish my life goal....What if I get my house in the forest, where my hot wife will live with me, and I have 10 pot plants for personal use, and a garden of mushrooms?
What comes next? Will life give me cancer and kill me off for ending my days in peace?
Whats our purpose in this spinning ball! WTF. Humans are fucking amazing. And to top it all off humans are tough as hell. We have some difficult job on this big orb that no one can say for sure on what it is.
I now believe in Rebirth. Will my next life suck? Im a good person but if im a person who is a Hermit in the woods living a life of ease will I still be a good person? Should i be helping others? Will simply being nice to others and offering help when needed be good enough.
This is some of the shit i think about on a daily basis. Thoughts?
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7564289 - 10/26/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If your goal is to end suffering, I heard there's this guy who figured out a way. I think they call him "The Buddha."
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Silversoul]
#7564308 - 10/26/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats the ironic part.
If youll notice my life goal is to get blazed off my ass every day. And to trip on mushrooms alot.
I will then have a Girl beside me that will keep me happy as well.
That sounds like it will end suffering am i right?
Buddism is whats messing with my head. The way to end suffering is to get enlightened. Will it be possible frying myself on mushrooms and smoking pot everyday with lots of sex?
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Silversoul]
#7564310 - 10/26/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jesus too. 
To OP: I don't think you should punish yourself for wanting to live a simple life in the forest. Frankly it sounds pretty sweet to me, and I would be happy for you if you're able to realize this goal. There's no big guy in the sky judging your actions, so no worries.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7564316 - 10/26/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Buddism is whats messing with my head. The way to end suffering is to get enlightened. Will it be possible frying myself on mushrooms and smoking pot everyday with lots of sex?
Yes, as long as you aren't attached to those experiences and can remain conscious if they should come to an end.
Strictly dogmatically, Buddhism would say any inebriation is a hindrance to enlightenment, and that sex is fueling the fires of desire which keep you bound to the wheel of suffering. It's up to you to find the middle way in these matters.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Lion]
#7564321 - 10/26/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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bug said: Jesus too. 
To OP: I don't think you should punish yourself for wanting to live a simple life in the forest. Frankly it sounds pretty sweet to me, and I would be happy for you if you're able to realize this goal. There's no big guy in the sky judging your actions, so no worries.
There may be no big guy in the sky judging my actions. HOWEVER there is some force on this earth stronger then us and its helping all of us.
When i jumped on top of a police car in my underware I was not shot. I have no Serious brain damage. And I managed to dodge 8 years prison time.
Either my "Good Karma" had my back. Or someone likes me. Or perhaps whatever crazy spirit that is in mushrooms was watching over me.
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7564326 - 10/26/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or if you had been shot, thrown in prison, or seriously brain-damaged, you would not be here posting about it. Claiming that the point at which we have arrived could not be reached without the intervention of some higher power is fallacious, IMO.
As to the concept of suffering as a goal, I think that you may have misunderstood. Buddhism states that suffering is part of life, because attachment to impermanent things is part of life. If we can release our attachments, we can become free of suffering. In no way is suffering a goal.
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7564328 - 10/26/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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When i jumped on top of a police car in my underware I was not shot. I have no Serious brain damage. And I managed to dodge 8 years prison time.
That is fucking impressive! 
I think that force is us, just a part of us which has been disowned or gone unacknowledged because of conditioning. Then the question is: why are we conditioned not to acknowledge this higher part of ourselves? For what reason have we pulled the wool over our own eyes?. That is the bigger mystery.
All pure 100% speculation, of course. That's what rainy Friday nights are for.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7564330 - 10/26/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What im scared of is someone controlling my fate? Is there some destiny or something that we have no control over in our lives?
How much control do I have over my life? Sure I can control my actions. But can i control a group of gangsters breaking in my house and Killing me?
Is my life already Pre Planned out?
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7564346 - 10/26/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have control over your actions. Like Diploid once said, all you can do is make good ripples. Make decisions which you think will have positive ripples, or at least the least negative ripples. Other than that, who the heck knows? You can't know if you have a fate, or if your actions are determined, so don't stress about it, I guess?
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Lion]
#7564348 - 10/26/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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PLease keep in mind i was perscribed "Lithium" as apart of my court defense.
So now im on Bi Polar medication and this shit is making me insane. Only 4 more months of it though.
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7564353 - 10/26/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The goal in life is to suffer.
The goal in life is to get out of suffering. Suffering is a stimulant. You do not want to suffer and so do what it takes to relieve the state.
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Nothing worthwhile is free or is done the easy way.
I would think that depends on your definition of what is worthwhile.
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What does this mean? I now fee guilty about happiness. Am i slowing down because my goal in life is to obtain a state where suffering is minimal? Am i going against the human purpose in life.
You feel guilty about happiness, why? No I think you are speeding towards your goal. No, the opposite.
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What if i finally accomplish my life goal....What if I get my house in the forest, where my hot wife will live with me, and I have 10 pot plants for personal use, and a garden of mushrooms?
You may find yourself happy with life, or you may find that those things are not what you really want out of life they are just things to own, soon to be lost.
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What comes next? Will life give me cancer and kill me off for ending my days in peace?
Cant answer those questions. Hope for the best?
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Whats our purpose in this spinning ball! WTF. Humans are fucking amazing. And to top it all off humans are tough as hell. We have some difficult job on this big orb that no one can say for sure on what it is.
! =] True
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I now believe in Rebirth. Will my next life suck? I'm a good person but if I'm a person who is a Hermit in the woods living a life of ease will I still be a good person? Should i be helping others? Will simply being nice to others and offering help when needed be good enough.
Thumbs up. Who can tell. Good is relative, do what feels right to you. Helping others is always amazing, its the same as helping yourself in my opinion! You can only help where there is an opportunity to do so, and if it arises I would certainly help!
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This is some of the shit i think about on a daily basis. Thoughts?
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7564363 - 10/26/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's movies coming out about this kind of thing now, kinda strange. There's this anthony hopkin movie:
and another movie with a similar theme called "The Nines": http://www.apple.com/trailers/newmarket/thenines/
I don't think anyone is in control, i think we're all doing this together... we're dreams overlapping dreams
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7564434 - 10/26/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You sound very young (relative to me) and completely inundated by the tyranny of the "Pleasure Principle," of "Eros" (the 'life instinct'), yet with liberal peppering of "Thanatos" (the 'death instinct) in your lanuage of getting "blazed" (psychologically immolated, ego death). In other words, coming out of protracted adolescence, you are still out of balance. Life is, in the words of The Moody Blues, 'A Question of Balance.'
Rebirth has nothing to do with a next life. That is reincarnation. There is no coherent 'entity' to be reborn and rebirth happens moment-to-moment, or in Buddhist Abhidharma psychology, 'mind-moment to mind-moment.' Phenomenal reality in Buddhist psychology and philosophy can be illustrated like a tachistoscope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachistoscope or like cartoons with a series of discrete frames moving so as to give the illusion of coherence and continuity. Look at any simple object and trace its existence back to its molecular origin and then project its dissolution in the imaginary future. One must grasp all of phenomenal existence in this way, at once, to grok the Buddhist vision of impermanence. The brass lamp next to me will continue for longer than a paper calendar page next to it, but even though I can't see it, tarnish from degraded brass plating is occuring. The copper-zinc compound called brass is reacting with atmospheric oxygen. Even its carbon-iron steel structure is degrading and will ultimately be resolved into its constituent atoms, all of which originally were formed from hydrogen in the sun.
An 'arhat' living in the woods will not have the opportunity to act in the capacity of a 'bodhisattva' who realizes that all life forms are not, at bottom, separate. A bullet piercing you will not be physically sensed by me but I am certain that I will feel a certain amount of your fear and psychlogical pain should I witness it. After this communication with you, as removed from my senses as you are, if I heard of you being shot, I would still register some feeling for you. Your pain and my pain is still pain, and we all understand pain. With increasing awareness of life along these lines, the obvious and immediate response to life is Compassion. The absence of Compassion indicates a spiritually unconscious existence, a state of contracted beinghood that is severely restricted to physical boundaries as one's sense of identity. I have seen a video of a hippopotamus administering some form of CPR to a drowned deer, and revivng it. I have watched a mountain gorilla cradle a human child who has fallen into its zoo prison. I have seen a baby hippo bond to a large tortoise after its mother has died. I am ashamed that I eat any animal life at all. Psychopathic humans thus act on a level beneath animal existence.
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7564467 - 10/26/07 07:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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EternalCowabunga said: There's movies coming out about this kind of thing now, kinda strange. There's this anthony hopkin movie:
and another movie with a similar theme called "The Nines": http://www.apple.com/trailers/newmarket/thenines/
I don't think anyone is in control, i think we're all doing this together... we're dreams overlapping dreams
That movie looks good! I just saw Hopkins in the BBC Othello. He was animalistic.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Lion]
#7564496 - 10/26/07 07:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its your life, you chose what you want it to be, thats the beauty of it.
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
#7566681 - 10/27/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The goal in life is to suffer.
According to the Calvinists.
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: Icelander]
#7566713 - 10/27/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is not enough i suffer alone, others should suffer too..
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Re: So Humans are supposed to suffer? WHAT NOW! [Re: shakercee]
#7566778 - 10/27/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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shakercee said:
It is not enough i suffer alone, others should suffer too..
Now now, you shouldn't be so harsh on Christians.
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#7566984 - 10/27/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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