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TacticalBongRip
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Guns in College
#7561963 - 10/26/07 07:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I picked up a school newspaper today and was browsing through it when I stumbled upon an article right smack on the front page that reads "Students protest for Second Amendment rights".
As I read through the article I learn there is a group called the Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC) which is fighting to overturn state laws that prohibit the carrying of firearms to licensed people in Colleges. 
To me this seems like a terrible idea. If students are allowed to bring guns on campus I could easily see it becoming similar to the way people tote around name brand clothing and accessories to make themselves feel special, but on top of that I think there would be a lot more people walking around like they own the place because they have the 'assurance' of having a gun in their possession. There are already enough cocky assholes walking around, we don't need them to get even cockier!
They are however using statistics to back up their movement citing that licensed gun owners are less likely to commit crimes, and some other BS that I'll link up after class. The main reason they say they are fighting for it is so that students have a way to defend themselves from an occurance like that in Virginia Tech where a student (non licensed gun owner) shot and killed 27 students and 5 faculty members. I can sort of see where they are coming from but it still seems like a bad idea to me. What say you?
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TacticalBongRip
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Re: Guns in College [Re: poke smot!]
#7562048 - 10/26/07 07:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well that is good at least, that they aren't supposed to have it visible to others. Still, it seems like the possible benefits do not outweigh the possible costs. What purpose does it serve other than protecting yourself in the off chance that someone goes on a shooting spree? How many college shootings has their been? The VT example is the only one I have heard of.
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i think if people can see the gun underclothing they can even get in trouble.
the purpose of carrying a gun is to protect yourself, i think at LEAST 1x a year every person wishes they had a gun for protection. I think everyone should have a gun if only to make cops less cocky.
making people get a permit to carry a gun is retarded in itself, its a "right". I do agree people need to know how to use guns/handle before they buy them however.
edit: you wanted another example on "campus" people steal/break into cars all the time, you spot them they just run, you pull a gun they going to stop and wait for the cops
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I am for carrying guns on campus, like other people said if you get the permit to be able to conceal a weapon on your person, then you have already been determined (and tested) to be able to properly handle a firearm in an adverse situation. I support the 2nd amendment, because the 2nd amendment is NOT about sporting purposes! It is about upholding your personal freedom.
DON'T LET THEM TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY, EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
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Re: Guns in College [Re: Kinematics]
#7562169 - 10/26/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kinematics said:
DON'T LET THEM TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY, EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
I don't have any for them to take away However, you guys make some good points. I will have to toss this one around in the noggin a bit more
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> If you have this license it does not permit you to flash your piece in public. Actually, you could probably get in trouble for doing so, for inciting panic
In most places there is a law making it illegal to "brandish a weapon" in public.
> fighting to overturn state laws that prohibit the carrying of firearms to licensed people in Colleges.
I never understood why some states outlaw guns on campus. When I was living in Colorado there were a bunch of rapes occurring on campus in Boulder. The police started handing out CCW licenses to the woman and the woman started to carry firearms.
> Also, in most states that offer CCW, they do federal, state, and local background checks.
Any in many cases require the licensee to take classes on firearm use and safety.
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Kinematics said:
DON'T LET THEM TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY, EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
I don't have any for them to take away However, you guys make some good points. I will have to toss this one around in the noggin a bit more
Arm yourself. It's legal, and there may come a time where you will have to defend your right to freedom or even to exist. Learn responsible gun safety and use, and pass the word on.
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Quote:
TacticalBongRip said: I picked up a school newspaper today and was browsing through it when I stumbled upon an article right smack on the front page that reads "Students protest for Second Amendment rights".
As I read through the article I learn there is a group called the Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC) which is fighting to overturn state laws that prohibit the carrying of firearms to licensed people in Colleges. 
To me this seems like a terrible idea. If students are allowed to bring guns on campus I could easily see it becoming similar to the way people tote around name brand clothing and accessories to make themselves feel special, but on top of that I think there would be a lot more people walking around like they own the place because they have the 'assurance' of having a gun in their possession. There are already enough cocky assholes walking around, we don't need them to get even cockier!
They are however using statistics to back up their movement citing that licensed gun owners are less likely to commit crimes, and some other BS that I'll link up after class. The main reason they say they are fighting for it is so that students have a way to defend themselves from an occurance like that in Virginia Tech where a student (non licensed gun owner) shot and killed 27 students and 5 faculty members. I can sort of see where they are coming from but it still seems like a bad idea to me. What say you?
Who cares?
Why are you posting this in this forum. Try the Political forum.
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Re: Guns in College [Re: Icelander]
#7562243 - 10/26/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It seemed like a philosophical question to me (whether guns should be allowed in colleges), plus this seems to be the most mature of the forums available. However if this is the wrong place for it I won't be offended if it is moved
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If this is your idea of philosophy then anything is fair game.
P&S is mature? Mankind is doomed.
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Re: Guns in College [Re: Icelander]
#7562476 - 10/26/07 10:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, compared to most of the other forums I'd say so.
Except for that Icelander guy though...
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i have a CCW - and i would not carry it on campus. in VA they required me to take a 4hour safety/gun law class before i could file for my CCW through the courts.
I (being a scrawny guy in a big ghetto-riddled city) love having my gun, i feel safe with it.
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TacticalBongRip said: Well, compared to most of the other forums I'd say so.
Except for that Icelander guy though...
Maturity has never been one of my strong points of which I have few.
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A citizen cannot make an arrest for theft with a personal firearm. You'd end up in jail for that action. If you provoked the thief by brandishing your gun, and he called your bluff by confronting you, and he was unarmed, you'd have to put your gun away, not shoot an unarmed man. Personal firearms are ONLY used when one's life is in danger and there is no possible escape from the situation. Deadly force is only justifiable under very limited circumstances.
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MarkostheGnostic said: If you provoked the thief by brandishing your gun, and he called your bluff by confronting you, and he was unarmed, you'd have to put your gun away, not shoot an unarmed man.
not quite - if you made the thief aware you had a gun, and he still came at you attempting to confront:
- you would be required first to attempt to escape (by law) - since you can only use your weapon as a LAST RESORT.
however, since the thief is made aware of your weapon, if he has the ability to overpower you, and is approaching with hostility (and you cannot escape, since you already tried) you can shoot him. if you dont and he overpowers you - he has the gun, and your life is at risk.
an unarmed thief can become an armed one very quickly if you fail to act.
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Pay no attention to that grouchy old Icelander. He's probably sore that he's not a wild and crazy guy in college these days himself.
I remember that we discussed the gun thing in person some months ago and the Lady's were not in favor of owning a gun. I do understand the new concerns on college campuses, but are armed classroom collegiates gonna be like having armed air marshals on Israeli planes?
I do struggle with the issue of home defense since I do have an alarm system that's wired to a monitoring company and which has a panic button directly connected to Metro-Dade Police as well as a high decibel siren. It has already scared off one burglar. I really don't want to blow an intruder away with a 10 gauge cruiser at close range, and Brink's signs and stickers are readily visible. Plus, my house is not a target for cash, drugs, jewelry or dope.
Carrying a weapon on the street may provide a feeling of security for some people, but for me it poses more of a threat than a protection. An unrighteous shooting could land ME in jail. I'm convinced that of the 'random' robberies that occur on the streets there is some subliminal cue of disgust or condescension or disapproval on the part of the victim that the robber responds to. There comes a time when you have to keep the safety of yourself and your Lady in mind, and that means avoiding the kinds of situations where violent interactions are more likely. Having lived in south Florida you know what I mean.
I've known four people down here to legally carry as many as (3) guns at once! One is probably schizophrenic, paranoid type, another is just neurotically fearful, one seems to have paranoid personality disorder and one has antisocial personality leanings and was fired from the school system for threatening the life of an assistant principal whom I now work with. I do not see YOUR personality as anything even remotely similar to any of these guys, or like most people I know of who chose to carry concealed weapons outside of law enforcement. Just my two cents.
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You can get more with a kind word and a gun, then you can with just a kind word. Sadly...
(off topic)Speaking of right to bare arms...if thats in the bill of rights, why can we not own assault rifles? I am positive when they came up with that right they were not thinking "people should have the right to have guns for hunting." It was made so the people can defend themselves from the government. So that you can resist with the same amount of force if the government tried to take your rights away.
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MarkostheGnostic said:
I do struggle with the issue of home defense since I do have an alarm system that's wired to a monitoring company and which has a panic button directly connected to Metro-Dade Police as well as a high decibel siren. It has already scared off one burglar. I really don't want to blow an intruder away with a 10 gauge cruiser at close range, and Brink's signs and stickers are readily visible. Plus, my house is not a target for cash, drugs, jewelry or dope.
When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes.
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Re: Guns in College [Re: Kinematics]
#7572268 - 10/29/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kinematics said:
When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes.
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