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So, whats the deal with Iran?
    #7560476 - 10/25/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What's going on over there? Are they really making nukes? What reason do we have to believe so, and how do we know they want to use them on us? Do you think USA will wage war? Just wondering what you all think about the situation.


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Spanki]
    #7560921 - 10/25/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

They really are making nukes. Iraq really had WMD's, and attacking Afghanistan was completely the right way to apprehend one man hiding in Pakistan.

What do you think?


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7561026 - 10/25/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Haha. Good point. So what do you think the ulterior motive is this time?


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7561460 - 10/26/07 12:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Visionary Tools said:
They really are making nukes. Iraq really had WMD's, and attacking Afghanistan was completely the right way to apprehend one man hiding in Pakistan.

What do you think?




I think these are all really good reasons to invade right now. Hell, we already have our armies in Iraq, we might as well keep pushing, take them all on in one fell swoop, rid the entire Middle East of Islamic Fascism once and for all and create massive fortress running a ring around the fertile crescent, with guards atop the walls every 200 yards with a high power automatic weapon and gas mask.

The world isn't safe for idle talk. The time has come for action.


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Spanki]
    #7561546 - 10/26/07 01:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

http://getintheirface.blogspot.com/2006/06/robert-newman-video-history-of-oil.html

seems to sum it up quite nicely, methinks.

edit: to skip to the good information, start the vid at the 11 minute mark


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: starseed]
    #7561550 - 10/26/07 01:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

fuck bush, hairy vag is what he is


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Spanki]
    #7561827 - 10/26/07 04:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)


Even the official Whitehouse word isn't that Iran has nukes, is making nukes, or is even about to make nukes... it's that their technology is heading in a direction that could potentially be used to make nukes in the future.


Ahmadinejad's view on nuclear bombs is that they're immoral, and he's said much in protest of them:

"I think the politicians who are after atomic bombs, politically, they're backwards. Retarded."
"You have to appreciate we don't need a nuclear bomb. We don't need that. What need do we have for a bomb?"
"In political relations right now, the nuclear bomb is of no use. If it was useful it would have prevented the downfall of the Soviet Union."

He's said more, explicitly, but I'm not doing the digging for those comments right now.


So who do you believe, the people who incessantly prove themselves to be liers and war-mongerers, or the person who as of yet has no evidence stacked against his claim of a peacful nuclear program?

Russian President Putin, the outside-of-Iran person with the closest ties to Iran's nuclear program, and who has very good relations with Iran in general, is extremely against the idea of Iran possessing nukes, and is totally convinced that nukes are not a part of Iran's plan.

During his recent visit to Iran he said this:
All of the Caspian littoral states belong to the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons under the inviolable condition that all our states have the right to develop their peaceful nuclear programmes without any restrictions.


I think the motive might be more about regional control than it is about oil.


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7561893 - 10/26/07 06:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It doesn't matter what Iran says or does, it's still the target of Bush and Cheney's psychopathic crusade. Although I doubt things will change when the leadership changes.


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Spanki]
    #7561911 - 10/26/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> What's going on over there?

Same thing that has been going on for the last few thousand years.

> Are they really making nukes?

Yes, though that is a very minor concern.

> What reason do we have to believe so

I can't say without getting somebody in trouble. Call it insider trading.

> and how do we know they want to use them on us?

They don't, nor would they ever admit to having them. Again, Iran having nukes is a fairly minor concern.

> Do you think USA will wage war?

No, but I have been wrong about this in the past.


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Spanki]
    #7563146 - 10/26/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Iran wants to be a superpower in the Middle East, but nobody else (maybe with the exception of Russia) wants them to be.


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7563180 - 10/26/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think we'll just be stuck in a bunch of proxy wars with Iran and Syria for a while

I doubt we'll ever really storm into either country. If you think the protests out here were crazy when we FIRST invaded Iraq... and seeing how WELL that war went.. i doubt the people would stand for a war with Iran.

Although I doubt they're trying to get a Nuke, if they ever DID develop nukes and we could PROVE they were selling them or if they used them.. THEN.. maybe we'll have a reason to start some shit. If we ever have solid proof of that happening though I'm sure we'd actually get the UN behind us at that point.

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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7563192 - 10/26/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Iran wants to be a superpower in the Middle East, but nobody else (maybe with the exception of Russia) wants them to be.




Maybe China too. Until the radical islamists try to take over Tibet :P

Then China be all LIke 'oh no u di'int gur-friend!" Then Islam be like "Oh uh HUH! I got a man! I do what i want! Imma BIG gurl!". Then China be like "Imma busa cap in yo ayass, NEE-GROW!". The Islam drop some benjamins in Pakistan be like "I gotcho back but u bess go watch yo front. Cuz its the niggas who front dat be pullin stunts!"


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Spanki]
    #7563922 - 10/26/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

the deal with iran is that the only way for king george to stop WW III is for him to start it himself :rolleyes:...


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Spanki]
    #7563971 - 10/26/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Spanki]
    #7564615 - 10/26/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If Iran is developing a nuclear weapon, why does that give America or the u.n. the right to invade their country? Doesn't America own nukes? Doesn't Israel own (7 or more) nukes? Doesn't pakistan, China, Russia etc. own nukes? These are all countries Us could deem "hostile" to America in one way or another. But does that give America the right to go police the world? Arn't Americans being big fat hypocrites? Especially when all this trouble was because of America in the first place??


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7564621 - 10/26/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

the answer to that is yes yes yes and yes
we dont have the right.....we make the "rights"
and then we take them away.....more and more to more and more people
really i mean i dont really believe in the NWO or anything but this shit has got to stop! :shrug:


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: ZShroom]
    #7565388 - 10/27/07 12:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

War in itself is motivation enough. War stimulates the economy. I think bush and his friends decided that they needed a war to make money, and picked an easy target. They will try and keep these wars going for as long as possible, to make money, and to make an excuse to build more weapons to start more wars, and thus make even more money. They see these middle eastern countries as good targets because they dont have the power to launch an effective attack on U.S soil, and they are also resource rich, so its win win.


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Spanki]
    #7565998 - 10/27/07 07:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

" What need do we have for a bomb?"




is that some kind of trick question?


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: Audi0]
    #7566454 - 10/27/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

America (I'm really starting to see why some Middle Eastern people are shouting 'Death to America. Death to Satan'), in 1951 or 1953 the CIA, in a secret operation, went into Iran to overthrow the President (of Iran) and replace him with someone that had the interests of America in mind. The reason the CIA did this is because Iran wanted to nationalize the oil of their country. In other words, they (Iran) wanted control of their own oil. Apparently the reason for the intervention was because the American government did not want the oil to fall into the hands of the Russians.


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Re: So, whats the deal with Iran? [Re: WScott]
    #7566631 - 10/27/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I fail to understand why anybody thinks the CIA is this incredibly effective agent of change that can topple governments at will. They can't. Don't you think the KGB was there as well with just exactly the opposite goal in mind? Don't you think there were probably much, much greater domestic forces at work? Aren't the mullahs, who came to power through violent revolution, essentially equivalent to the worst of the shah? Are there free and fair elections in Iran now?

Iran, in spite of it's great good fortune, is teetering on economic collapse. The population is restive and the current regime is grasping at any nationalistic symbol it can find to maintain its suspect legitimacy and ever weakening grasp on power. That symbol is the nuclear bomb. And, of course, DEATH TO ISRAEL AND THE GREAT SATAN.


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