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For those who don't believe in 2012
#7560010 - 10/25/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Should watch that thing on the history channel about the lost pages of nostradamus. Predicts the end guess when, 2012.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7560030 - 10/25/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why believe in what hasn't happened yet? Why create a sense of identity around some unforeseeable and undefinable event? Why invest any energy in it?
I try to keep an open mind about 2012, as I try to keep an open mind about tomorrow, three months from now, three seconds from now...
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7560033 - 10/25/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was recently told that it was discovered in The Bible that the rapture would occur in 2012. A man I know well was told this by his fundamentalist minister. It is hilarious that the Christians have adopted 2012 from the new age culture....never suspecting that it was from a Terrence McKenna book...and was a drug induced notion. Watching Christians is a constant source of amusement Of course, Nostradamus predicted it...might as well get him on board for the ride ha ha ha!
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7560065 - 10/25/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: I was recently told that it was discovered in The Bible that the rapture would occur in 2012. A man I know well was told this by his fundamentalist minister. It is hilarious that the Christians have adopted 2012 from the new age culture....never suspecting that it was from a Terrence McKenna book...and was a drug induced notion. Watching Christians is a constant source of amusement Of course, Nostradamus predicted it...might as well get him on board for the ride ha ha ha!
what does some nutjob like terrence got to do with alignment of the sun, the milky way, and our transition from the left hemishpere of our universe to the right hemisphere?
shows me how little you and probably alot of other ignorant people here know about it. Do some research and find out whats really happening in the galaxy at that time...
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7560081 - 10/25/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe in 2012, and 2013, and 2014.... 
There have been far too many BIG predictions based upon astronomy, ancient calendar systems, ancient prophecies, etc...that have fallen flat. 2012 is the same deal, IMO.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7560084 - 10/25/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The idea was popularized by McKenna and based on nonexistent "Mayan Prophecies". Terrence was no more of a nut job than Nostradamus. Ever week Nostradamus gets recycled with yet another bogus interpretation.
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Nostradamus enthusiasts have credited him with predicting numerous events in world history, from the Great Fire of London, by way of the rise of Napoleon I of France and Adolf Hitler, to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center,[9] but only ever in hindsight. See Alternative views below. It is not only skeptics such as James Randi who suggest that his reputation as a prophet is largely manufactured by modern-day supporters who fit his words to events that have either already occurred or are so imminent as to be inevitable, a process sometimes known as "retroactive clairvoyance." There is no evidence in the academic literature (see Sources) to suggest that any Nostradamus quatrain has ever been interpreted as predicting a specific event before it occurred, other than in vague, general terms that could equally apply to any number of other events.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7560092 - 10/25/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The way I look at it... If people are holding that reality in their mind it will happen. If they don't it won't. This is where it comes from, IMO. The future. Yes. No. Maybe.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Lion]
#7560128 - 10/25/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why believe in what hasn't happened yet? Why create a sense of identity around some unforeseeable and undefinable event? Why invest any energy in it?
Do you believe in tomorrow? Do you believe in you getting hungry? I'm going to go get some groceries right now so I can eat later, a point in time where I might not be able to be so prepared/opurtunistic.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: FocusHawaii]
#7560135 - 10/25/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you believe in tomorrow? Do you believe in you getting hungry?
I believe that those things will unfold based on past experience, but try to refrain from projecting the ways in which tomorrow will happen, or the time I will become hungry and the type of food I will desire.
Since I have no past experience that I can remember of some great transitional event like the 2012 'Singularity', I think only that the year 2012 will come, and along with it many things will happen which I can't possibly predict.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7560137 - 10/25/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You should take the Swami challenge, if you're that confident about it.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7560214 - 10/25/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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what does some nutjob like terrence got to do with alignment of the sun, the milky way, and our transition from the left hemishpere of our universe to the right hemisphere?
What alignment of the sun? Aligned with what? What about The Milky Way?
"Right" and "left" hemispheres of the Universe? Huh? The Universe doesn't have a right a left hemisphere...you couldn't tell which direction it is in anyway.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: trendal]
#7560223 - 10/25/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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"it comes like a thief in the night" i think i remember reading from the bible.
no one will know, it just happens.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7560244 - 10/25/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7560259 - 10/25/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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no shit, i don't even believe anything the bible says. anyhow. happy halloweeen
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: jeetered]
#7560262 - 10/25/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wrong book dude.
Yeah, HH to you too.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7560328 - 10/25/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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To be fair, 2012 does not even have to signify the end of the world. Not according to the Mayans. Not according to McKenna.
Rather, the prediction goes a bit like this: /me hums "It's the end of the world... AS WE KNOW IT."
The prediction suggests things will change greatly, in 2012... but it never goes so far as saying we'll all die.
I could be slightly off about the lore... but I am certain people are taking the original theory WAY too far out of its original context.
As for me, I think it is bullshit... but I also, think McKenna is FAR more likely to be proven right, than his (far too often) moronic followers.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7560364 - 10/25/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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cube talk said: ....and our transition from the left hemishpere of our universe to the right hemisphere?
shows me how little you and probably alot of other ignorant people here know about it. Do some research and find out whats really happening in the galaxy at that time...
Ignorant people? Left and right hempishere of the universe?
Clearly you have done some research, to have put forward such a claim. Well, in this forum, it is your responsibility to at least attempt to substantiate baseless assertions, so feel free to enlighten the ignorant individuals.
Could you please tell me how it has been determined that the universe has hemispheres, and that we are transitioning between them?
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Rose]
#7560366 - 10/25/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tomorrow is the end of the world.
As we know it.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7560368 - 10/25/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where's my skateboard?
/me sings "And I feel FINE!!!!!"
I swear, most people who believe this BS never read or heard the ORIGINAL theory. What they believe is oversimplified and silly.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: fireworks_god]
#7560374 - 10/25/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Could you please tell me how it has been determined that the universe has hemispheres, and that we are transitioning between them?
It's not hemisphere's man, everyone knows it's a polar shift... galactic alignment... trans-dimensional shift... radiation emanating from the center... high frequency ET contact... kind of sort of.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7560375 - 10/25/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This moment is the end of the world, as we know it to be.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: trendal]
#7560396 - 10/25/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Universe doesn't have a right a left hemisphere...you couldn't tell which direction it is in anyway.
You actually mean that in the infinity of space there is no right or left? Well, at least there's still an up and down.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: fireworks_god]
#7560519 - 10/25/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: This moment is the end of the world, as we know it to be.
I predict... that you will get raped 
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7560532 - 10/25/07 08:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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By me.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7560546 - 10/25/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: By me.
Oh no you don't!  It' me who will rape him... continuously...
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7560580 - 10/25/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I certainly hope you will be posting the pics. I would love to see him tied down and taking it up the ____.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7560639 - 10/25/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually I was thinking about raping him in a much more gentle way
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7560644 - 10/25/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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When the veil is shattered those pics are no good, really??
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: backfromthedead]
#7560647 - 10/25/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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See Rick Strassman's book for an alligator rape, not fun I imagine. You should too.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: backfromthedead]
#7560670 - 10/25/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read Rick Strassman's book but I'm not really into alligator rape  To each his own I guess 
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7560712 - 10/25/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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His own if you start over, no??
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: backfromthedead]
#7560719 - 10/25/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: backfromthedead]
#7560759 - 10/25/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What do 2012 and alligator rape have in common? Nostradamus predicted both, but only got to participate in one.
Sorry, that was the best I could do.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: jonathanseagull]
#7560795 - 10/25/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who knows?? Maybe the thing'll just drop one night, ya know?? Has for me. Scary.
The 'veil' or whatever.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Lion]
#7563099 - 10/26/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol seems like the lot of you just went off with your own thoughts about it..
When did i say it signified the end of the world or any of that other bs.
And no i'm not going to sit here and explain the equinoxes and the alignment if your to lazy to do the research yourself.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7563154 - 10/26/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Our galaxy does have right and left hemispheres.
Think of our galaxy as a plate. Hold it up right and it has a left and right side (hemisphere).
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: niteowl]
#7563478 - 10/26/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who's right/left do we use?
Say it with me now, R-E-L-A-T-I-V-I-T-Y!
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: trendal]
#7563485 - 10/26/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You forgot an I. That's ironic.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7563502 - 10/26/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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why would i believe in 2012 when i don't even believe in 2007?
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Clean]
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7564121 - 10/26/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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cube talk said: And no i'm not going to sit here and explain the equinoxes and the alignment if your to lazy to do the research yourself.
This forum is for critical discussion of ideas. No one is going to accept your bullshit claims without providing some substantiation, or some actual ideas to consider. If you make a claim, you back it up. If you don't back it up, then you are wasting your time and ours by posting bullshit claims in the first place.
Coming in here with bullshit claims, and then calling others lazy for not doing your work for you is stupid.
Once more, any substantiation for the hemisphere "idea"?
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7565880 - 10/27/07 05:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The truth is not easy to acquire. Dec 21, 2012 could easily be an anagram, a red herring. 2211 is more likely, to my way of thinking, not simply from the numerological perspective but because "Twenty-too eleven" is another way of saying "ten-forty" or ten-four (used to express affirmation or confirmation)
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: trendal]
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Who's right/left do we use?
Say it with me now, R-E-L-A-T-I-V-I-T-Y!
Whatever Trendal, you're just not "doing the research" to prove him right.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: fireworks_god]
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cube talk said: And no i'm not going to sit here and explain the equinoxes and the alignment if your to lazy to do the research yourself.
This forum is for critical discussion of ideas. No one is going to accept your bullshit claims without providing some substantiation, or some actual ideas to consider. If you make a claim, you back it up. If you don't back it up, then you are wasting your time and ours by posting bullshit claims in the first place.
Coming in here with bullshit claims, and then calling others lazy for not doing your work for you is stupid.
Once more, any substantiation for the hemisphere "idea"?
NO i got better shit to be doing then explaining something that would probably take a good hour to type down. And for what? So we could go back and forth and back and forth? It's not a debate that could be won. I've got no problem at all if you want to die in your own ignorance.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7566100 - 10/27/07 08:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why did you present a topic if you don't have time for an explanation and evidence?
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7566101 - 10/27/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you did not want to discuss it why did you post? Did you think that you would espouse your wisdom and that we would just kneel at your feet in awe. This place is about discussion...you know what a discussion is don't you? I think "go back and forth and back and forth" is describing a discussion, and this forum is for discussion.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
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cube talk said: And no i'm not going to sit here and explain the equinoxes and the alignment if your to lazy to do the research yourself.
This forum is for critical discussion of ideas. No one is going to accept your bullshit claims without providing some substantiation, or some actual ideas to consider. If you make a claim, you back it up. If you don't back it up, then you are wasting your time and ours by posting bullshit claims in the first place.
Coming in here with bullshit claims, and then calling others lazy for not doing your work for you is stupid.
Once more, any substantiation for the hemisphere "idea"?
NO i got better shit to be doing then explaining something that would probably take a good hour to type down. And for what? So we could go back and forth and back and forth? It's not a debate that could be won. I've got no problem at all if you want to die in your own ignorance.
pcz
it's funny how little things have changed since ancient greece.
when socrates pushed euthyphro to clarify his knowledge of piety and impiety euthyphro says:
"Some other time, Socrates, for I am in a hurry now, and it is time for me to go"
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"What a thing to do, my friend! By going you have cast me down from a great hope I had, that I would learn from you the nature of the pious and impous (2012) and so escape Meletus' indictment (God's wrath) by showing him that I had acquired wisdom in divine matters from Euthyphro (cube talk), and my ignorance would no longer cause me to be careless and inventive about such things, and that I would be better for the rest of my life.
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It also must be noted that Socrates was force fed poison by the members of his community. People don't often really want truth.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: cube talk]
#7566404 - 10/27/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've seen so much disinfo about 2012 it's no wonder hardly anyone knows exactly what it's about.
I've studied this thoroughly and here's what I know for sure:
The Sun WILL NOT align with Galactic Center, It never does.
The Sun will not complete a 26,000 year orbit around the Galaxy, that takes 220 million years.
In fact our Sun is moving DOWNWARD not sideways in respect to the Milky Way, and our Solar System goes up and down like a ferris wheel instead of formed sideways along the Galactic plane like most other Star's planetary systems.
The reason for this is because our Sun is NOT FROM THIS GALAXY!
Sol entered the Milky Way from above as it is part of the invading Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy.
Anyway here is what WILL happen FOR SURE on 12.21.2012:
Using any astronomy program, you will see that the Sun transits the Galactic Meridian (above Galactic Center) EXACTLY AT SUNRISE (important) as viewed from South America on the Winter Solstice of 2012.
This is why the Mayan Tzolk'in or Tonalámatl Calendar restarts on that date, due to Precession, this event only happens once every 25,765 years.
The Ancients weren't obsessed with Astronomy because they were superstitious, They understood the connection between inner and outer space...
Another 2012 side note; The Hopi Prophecies mention something about a Solar Eclipse at the End Time.
There hasn't been a full daytime Solar eclipse over Hopi lands for a couple THOUSAND years, the next one will be on 5/20/2012. For real.
I know these things could just be mundane astronomy, but maybe they really are pointing at something more significant...
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Middleman]
#7566436 - 10/27/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info Middleman, it was enlightening
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: fireworks_god]
#7566498 - 10/27/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Middleman]
#7566556 - 10/27/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The reason for this is because our Sun is NOT FROM THIS GALAXY!
Sol entered the Milky Way from above as it is part of the invading Pegasus Dwarf Galaxy.
Not true...see this: http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/06/27/is-the-sun-from-another-galaxy/
What software do you recommend I download, in order to view what you said about the sun?
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This forum is for critical discussion of ideas.
And for public flirtation...

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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: trendal]
#7566685 - 10/27/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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trendal said: The reason for this is because our Sun is NOT FROM THIS GALAXY!
Sol entered the Milky Way from above as it is part of the invading Pegasus Dwarf Galaxy.
Not true...see this: http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/06/27/is-the-sun-from-another-galaxy/
That's not very conclusive, it doesn't even mention the fact that our solar system's plane is at a right angle to the Milky Way's, and is in fact closer to the angle of the Sag Dwarf.
It also doesn't mention the possibility that our solar system has been recently pulled into Milky Way orbit.
Why do debunkers always have such arrogant attitudes? I, for one, am not so sure either way.
I think some people are just to frightened to admit the possibility that much of what we take for granted as "common knowledge" simply isn't true.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Middleman]
#7567034 - 10/27/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Funny, I don't see too many legitmate scientific articles or papers that end in:
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This forum is for critical discussion of ideas.
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You've set the standard, surely.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: adrug]
#7567063 - 10/27/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cheers,
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That was a letter in response to the article. Pay attention. 
Yeah I know it's not from "Nature" but that doesn't mean it's not possibly true.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Middleman]
#7567160 - 10/27/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Middleman said: That's not very conclusive, it doesn't even mention the fact that our solar system's plane is at a right angle to the Milky Way's, and is in fact closer to the angle of the Sag Dwarf.
Huh? From the page I posted...
"First, the plane of the solar system (defined, really, by the plane of the Earth’s orbit) is tilted with respect to the Milky Way’s plane by about 60 degrees or so. But this is not a big deal; the Sun formed from a gas cloud 4.6 billion years ago, and any number of forces would have caused that cloud to collapse such that the plane of our solar system could be pointed any which way. There’s no reason to assume the two planes would align."
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It also doesn't mention the possibility that our solar system has been recently pulled into Milky Way orbit.
Sure it does...right before it says it's total hogwash and explains why.
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I think some people are just to frightened to admit the possibility that much of what we take for granted as "common knowledge" simply isn't true.
When I read your post the first time I was excited. Maybe this would be evidence for something out of the ordinary.
It wasn't, because it just wasn't true.
Further, your lack of saying anything at all to my post asking for information makes me think that it's because you don't have any(information). Have you in fact used "any astronomy program(s)" to see that the sun does, in fact, cross the midplane of the galaxy exactly on 21/12/2012?
I just did a quick search, and the four programs I downloaded couldn't do what you said...that's why I asked.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: shakercee]
#7567162 - 10/27/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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shakercee said: Thanks for the info Middleman, it was enlightening
Thanks for the Thanks, made it worth my while.
See you @ the four corners 5/20/12, I'll be dosed to the gills.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: trendal]
#7567185 - 10/27/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Middleman said: That's not very conclusive, it doesn't even mention the fact that our solar system's plane is at a right angle to the Milky Way's, and is in fact closer to the angle of the Sag Dwarf.
Huh? From the page I posted...
"First, the plane of the solar system (defined, really, by the plane of the Earth’s orbit) is tilted with respect to the Milky Way’s plane by about 60 degrees or so. But this is not a big deal; the Sun formed from a gas cloud 4.6 billion years ago, and any number of forces would have caused that cloud to collapse such that the plane of our solar system could be pointed any which way. There’s no reason to assume the two planes would align."
*Reason #1: The Milky Way's gravitational pull. Reason #2: EVERY other star system discovered so far does.*
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It also doesn't mention the possibility that our solar system has been recently pulled into Milky Way orbit.
Sure it does...right before it says it's total hogwash and explains why.
*The explanation is no more conclusive than my original link.*
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I think some people are just to frightened to admit the possibility that much of what we take for granted as "common knowledge" simply isn't true.
When I read your post the first time I was excited. Maybe this would be evidence for something out of the ordinary.
It wasn't, because it just wasn't true.
*Whether or not the 5/20 eclipse or 12/21 Galactic Heliacal Rising means anything "extraordinary" remains to be seen.*
Further, your lack of saying anything at all to my post asking for information makes me think that it's because you don't have any(information). Have you in fact used "any astronomy program(s)" to see that the sun does, in fact, cross the midplane of the galaxy exactly on 21/12/2012?
I just did a quick search, and the four programs I downloaded couldn't do what you said...that's why I asked.
I considered leaving out the Sag Dwarf info because it was the only part that could not be proven. I shouldn't have even mentioned it, some of you people can't handle possibilities.
I regret not adding "POSSIBLY" to "our Sun is not from the Milky Way." My bad.
Everything else I said is hard FACT, a cat couldn't scratch it.
I use Starry Night Pro 5 with Galactic Guides, it's for real, I could take a picture...
Feel free to question my evidence, just PLEASE try to not be such bitches about it.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Middleman]
#7567231 - 10/27/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Middleman said: [*Reason #1: The Milky Way's gravitational pull. Reason #2: EVERY other star system discovered so far does.*
Source?
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[*Whether or not the 5/20 eclipse or 12/21 Galactic alignment means anything "extraordinary" remains to be seen.*
That is what a proponent of any prediction will say. Of course, if the statement had predictive value, we could determine its likelihood of occurence in the first place. Simply stating that it will happen isn't a prediction to be considered.
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I shouldn't have even mentioned it, some of you people can't handle possibilities.
Some of us people require at least some amount of substance or substantiation before there is any reason to consider a possibility. Your attempt to portray it as "not being able to handle possibility" is simply an attempt to convey indirect personalisms.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: fireworks_god]
#7567236 - 10/27/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whatever FW, you guys need to pull your heads out.
I gave more than enough evidence for the possibility.
Take from my post what you will, I was just trying to share some info.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Middleman]
#7567251 - 10/27/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, substance and truth is an anality in comparison to "this is what I think and this is truth but I don't feel like dealing with substantiating anything".
We don't need to be told we need to pull our heads out. It isn't the purpose or intention of this forum, and its agansit the rules. I'm requesting that you respect the nature of this forum, as well as my responsibility to ensure it is moderated in accordance with its purpose and intention.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Middleman]
#7567278 - 10/27/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Possibilities" do not translate into scientific facts.
Fluff forum it is, indeed.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: adrug]
#7567286 - 10/27/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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adrug said: Go back to your fluff forum already.
Keep these comments out of this forum. Personalisms are not permitted. I'm starting to feel inclined to start banning again.
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: fireworks_god]
#7567334 - 10/27/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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*Reason #1: The Milky Way's gravitational pull. Reason #2: EVERY other star system discovered so far does.*
Understanding how something the size of a galaxy works gravitationally is hard, I know. The net gravitational pull is not towards a "center" or anything. Because the mass of the galaxy is spread out, the gravitational pull experienced at any given point is also spread out. Further, the amount of gravity experienced from all but the closest stars is drastically small.
So what is more likely? That the plain of the solar system is more or less randomly chosen by local effects at the time of formation...or that it is the way it is because it came from another galaxy?
I want proof of Reason #2...link?
*The explanation is no more conclusive than my original link.*
It is if you understand modern cosmology...
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Re: For those who don't believe in 2012 [Re: Middleman]
#7567518 - 10/27/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is P&S: we're allowed to be bitches about the evidence (or total lack thereof.) 
Trendal: "You still haven't said a word about the astronomy program..."
Yes, he did: "I use Starry Night Pro 5 with Galactic Guides."
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