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Salary Cap for Rich
    #7559958 - 10/25/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Does this not make you sick or what?!

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Forbes/TheForbes400.aspx

And to think people make $100 year in some parts of the world.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: mikebart101]
    #7560078 - 10/25/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Are you shitting me? Sorry but I plan on making as much money as possible.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: downforpot]
    #7560100 - 10/25/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

for real.... if there's so much u can make.. why the fuck work any harder once u hit that cap? That's like a limited version of communism... and communism sucks balls.

And I consider myself fairly socialist (in a modern European sense)


I'd rather be taxed to death...

Forget other countries... I'm talking about our own country. Sure there's poor ass people...

Rule of thumb:

If you do well i high school even if you're poor as shit u can still go to college. If you get straight A's you'll get a sscholarship somewhere. And once you get a degree and bust your bals you'll get a nice job.

If you';re poor as dirt... it's your own fault. Granted some people are stupid and are born stupid and don't have the capacity to get better grades.. that's what welfare is for.


If you can't get a job that pays more than 10 bucks an hour and you're 40 years old... maybe you should have tried harder when you were younger. .. too bad now.. people need to learn that there are consequences for their non-action... Hell at 40.. at least you can still pick up a BOOK and learn and better your situation instaed of bitching and whining about how poor you are....

My only thing with socialism is at least that lazy bum should be covered with health care while he tries to better himself


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: downforpot]
    #7560557 - 10/25/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you shitting me? Sorry but I plan on making as much money as possible.




Fucking right! I hate liberal hippie douches that think money is a bad thing. Some of the biggest philanthropists in history have coincidentally been some of the richest. My ultimate goal in life is to be the worlds first $1,000,000,000,000ionare.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: allreadyused]
    #7560567 - 10/25/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

allreadyused.. lets do it together.. we'll be first first billionaire GG ALLIN cover band


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: BrAiN]
    #7560622 - 10/25/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck I meant $1,000,000,000,000. 4 sets of zero's not 3. I smoke too much weed. I should have just said "worlds first trillionare."

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we'll be first first billionaire GG ALLIN cover band



I think it would be awesome to do "I'm Gonna Rape You" at the VMA's.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: allreadyused]
    #7560628 - 10/25/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Either way... we can capitalise on Allin's mainstream fame.... artists' work is always worth more after they're dead anyways!


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: BrAiN]
    #7560648 - 10/25/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I would hate to turn this into a GG Allin thread, but come on? "mainstream fame" I don't think anything GG Allin did could be considered mainstream; and if it ever becomes mainstream just imaging how far society would have to degrade for that to happen.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: allreadyused]
    #7560711 - 10/25/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was just joking...

Or maybe I was just suggesting we start a cover band that runs around defecating on people

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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: BrAiN]
    #7561930 - 10/26/07 06:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> My only thing with socialism is at least that lazy bum should be covered with health care while he tries to better himself

The problem with socialism is that there is no motivation for the "lazy bum" to better himself. If being lazy is no different than being productive, then why work? I have no problem with socialist programs, such as unemployment, that are designed to temporarily help people, but I have a huge problem with socialist programs, such as welfare, that are designed to support people indefinitely.

An example... rather than provide health care to everybody, why not provide full scholarships for medical students to become doctors with the catch that once they become doctors, they have to spend the first XXX years of practice providing cheap health care to low income families. (This alone wouldn't fix the health care system... just using it as an example.)


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: Seuss]
    #7562032 - 10/26/07 07:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I guess I'm just a moderate socialist. Just the word "Socialism" has this stigma, but it ain't all bad if you do it right. It doesn't have tyo be a system where you encourage laziness. You just need to do away with social programs that encourage laziness and put money into social programs that promote the opposite.

For example... I'm all for free college. That's considered socialist but it's not a program that encourages lazy ass people not to work. It's just to help those who are too poor to afford college get in so they can become more productive members of society. And just because it's SOCIALIZED education doesn't mean the GOVT is going to run the schools anymore than they are now. It just means the gov't will grant enough money to the existing institutions to allow them to funtion without having to charge tuition.

I'm all for socialism within reason. I'd like to take AWAY welfare checks that just HAND money to slackers and use it to give them healthcare instead. Kind of the same mentality as seeing a bum on the street and instead of giving him money.. give him food.

If you wake away people's welfare check's it'll force them to get off their asses and work.. and if you put it into universal health care then that worker will have a little more peace of mind. A happy worker is a harder worker.

Plus.. when people say "UNVERSAL HEALTH CARE" everyone always assumes it means GOVT RUN health care. It doesn't haave to mean this. It just means the gov't is giving you enough money to pay for premiums that existing private companies are charging. There will be the same privately run health companies competing for your business the good ol' fashioned capitalist way.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: BrAiN]
    #7562123 - 10/26/07 08:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

While I don't necessarily agree with a salary cap, there is definitely a point where one is making too much money. There are too many issues today that can be solved with money where people otherwise are just hoarding it all for themselves. There's no law against being selfish, but it doesn't say a whole lot for your character.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: Kinematics]
    #7562171 - 10/26/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe give more of a taxcut for the rich who decide to donate their money? Or if they donate on a regular basis.. allow them to set up a 401K style account strictly for donations so it's all PRETAX money going to their charities... so that it's not considered income before they donate it... then again... maybe they already have a way of doing something like this.

Just a thought. I'm not sure about how rich people manage their taxes when they donate anyways.

Or since super rich people are frequently power hungry people.. maybe allow super rich people to kill 1 hooker for every 10 million they donate. Or maybe let them punch Hillary in the face once for each 10 million donated. Ahhh.. the possibilites are endless.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: Seuss]
    #7562388 - 10/26/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think it's such a bad idea, except that the "cap" should be extremely high. Would anyone honestly lose their motivation to work if they could "only" make a few billion dollars?

My problem with the current tax system is the amount that the "semi-wealthy" are taxed. You get taxed 40% once you cross 300k. I think thats too high.

I think taxes should start low and continuously rise, until you hit a "cap" of a few billion.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: badchad]
    #7562550 - 10/26/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> I think taxes should start low and continuously rise, until you hit a "cap" of a few billion.

I think taxes should start low, stay low, and we should ditch all of the socialist and special interest programs that consume the majority of the tax money... at the federal level; let the states do as they please.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: mikebart101]
    #7562679 - 10/26/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What man needs a billion dollars when theirs people IN this country starving and dieing, who cant afford healthcare.

NO man is worth a billion, what ever happened to modesty?

It reminds me of a famous quote... Let them eat cake... wonder what happened to the person who made that quote...


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7562820 - 10/26/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Even a cap of 100 million is plenty. You can always make it back but never have more than that at one time. How many things have 100 million price tags?


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7562980 - 10/26/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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What man needs a billion dollars when theirs people IN this country starving and dieing, who cant afford healthcare.



So why is a salary cap going to help? You miss the point of your own scenario here: It's NOT that that the rich have too much, but that the poor have too little. Limiting the amount of money that a person can make does absolutely NOTHING for the situation. The large gap between the rich and the poor is not the problem. It is merely a symptom of the problem.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: mikebart101]
    #7563071 - 10/26/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The government telling you that you're not allowed to make any more money is just plain communism.

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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: mikebart101]
    #7563144 - 10/26/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The problem with socialism is that there is no motivation for the "lazy bum" to better himself. If being lazy is no different than being productive, then why work?



Exactly, why would someone want to work their ass off and in the end get the same compensation as someone who sits around and does nothing. I all in favor of unemployment because you have to meet some criteria before you can collect and you can only collect for a limited amount of time. I feel welfare is okay in certain circumstances but I think there should be some kind of limit to how long you can collect. Also while you're collecting you should have to show that you're at least trying to better yourself by learning a trade or trying to find suitable employment. When I think of welfare the image that gets conjured up in my mind is ghetto trash popping out more kids to increase the amount of money they get.

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I'm all for free college.



There are a few states that offer that. I think PA is going to start a program like that soon too. It's only through certain public colleges and you have to maintain a 3.0 GPA to continue to have it paid for.

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Or maybe let them punch Hillary in the face once for each 10 million donated.



Oh, if that were only the case I would be rich by now.

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I think taxes should start low and continuously rise, until you hit a "cap" of a few billion.



I like the idea of totally abolishing the income tax and taxing products and services that one purchases. I think that's more fair than a straight deduction from the money you make. If you think about it the more money you have the more likely you'll buy expensive things; you buy more expensive things you buy the more tax you pay.

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What man needs a billion dollars when theirs people IN this country starving and dieing, who cant afford health care.



Why is it the fault of the successful that someone can't afford food or health care?

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How many things have 100 million price tags?



Presidential elections are the first to come to mind.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: Seuss]
    #7563367 - 10/26/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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An example... rather than provide health care to everybody, why not provide full scholarships for medical students to become doctors with the catch that once they become doctors, they have to spend the first XXX years of practice providing cheap health care to low income families. (This alone wouldn't fix the health care system... just using it as an example.)




Many small, isolated towns do something like this already. They pay for med school and guarantee a certain wage but the doctor has to stay for a certain number of years. Win/win. On a small scale. Large scale might run into problems.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7563420 - 10/26/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I *believe* the U of MD used to have the following program.. not sure if it's still active but...

If you had a 4 year degree, you could go to the U of MD grad school for free If you agreed to work as a teacher for the state for 4 years. Of course maryland has some really ghetto parts, and they'd always stick you in the middle schools there with kids that never should have made it past the 2nd grade.

Two birds with one stone.. ya get some badly needed teacher and u get a free Master's from a great school


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: mikebart101]
    #7563963 - 10/26/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Put the cap per person at 1 trillion US dollars. If the cap is too low they won't do as much philanthropy.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: Luddite]
    #7564478 - 10/26/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't even think it should be at 1 trillion.... I say let people make as much as they want to unless of course their actions are deemed illegal as to how they are making all that money.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: BrAiN]
    #7566308 - 10/27/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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allreadyused.. lets do it together.. we'll be first first billionaire GG ALLIN cover band




hey, I can play just about every single gg allin song on the guitar.  Know all the lyrics, too.  let me in the band!

:lol:

But to be more on topic, I think a salary cap is a bad idea, but I DO think that CEOs should be paid less so that lower ranking employees can be paid more.  But thats more of a 'how private companies run their business' thing than it is a government policy issue.  The government should stay out of salary regulation, but private industry should do a better job of regulating itself when it comes to sharing the wealth with the team in a corporate context. 


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: wps]
    #7567200 - 10/27/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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But to be more on topic, I think a salary cap is a bad idea, but I DO think that CEOs should be paid less so that lower ranking employees can be paid more.




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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: wps]
    #7569404 - 10/28/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> but I DO think that CEOs should be paid less so that lower ranking employees can be paid more

So the $1.00 that many CEOs took for last years pay should be less? Maybe 50 cents, instead?


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: Seuss]
    #7569427 - 10/28/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

When you work for a company it's at WILL. No one forces you to work there. The CEO makes what he wants to make.. the employees make a certain amount. There's a simple solution to this. If you don't like how much the CEO of a company makes and how little the workers make.. then DON'T WORK THERE. No one puts a gun to your head and tells you where to work. This isn't a communist country.

In this country you're free to work where you want. You're free to try to better your situation by starting your own business and you're free to try to go to school to change careers if you don't think you're getting paid enough.

I'm all for minimum wage. If we didn't have one there'd be TOO many people out on the streets because if it were up to some companies you'd only get paid a buck an hour. Minimum wage is as far as I go.

After that... If you're going to start dictating that the people who busted their ass THEIR ENTIRE LIVES to get where they are can only make so much so the people who SLACKED OFF HALF THEIR LIVES and are busting their asses now can make more money... then why don't we just scrap this whole country... wipe out the stars and stripes on our flag, paint the whole thing red and slap a yellow hammer and sickle up there?


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    #7569654 - 10/28/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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> but I DO think that CEOs should be paid less so that lower ranking employees can be paid more

So the $1.00 that many CEOs took for last years pay should be less?  Maybe 50 cents, instead?



:confused:

Explain please.  This is new to me.


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Re: Salary Cap for Rich [Re: Silversoul]
    #7569760 - 10/28/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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    #7572381 - 10/29/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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> Explain please. This is new to me.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=CEO+%241+sallery&btnG=Google+Search




please, don't tell me you're falling for the car dealer "I'll give you a good price but jack you on the financing" scam, because thats exactly what this is, except its: "I'll only get a dollar in salary, but I also get millions of shares in stock"

Although there are a lot of CEOs of small companies that work their ass off and get paid dick, there are also many ceos that are basically figureheads whose job is to play golf and schmooze with big clients.

My girlfriend's father is the CFO of a major company. He gets paid maybe a quarter mil a year to basically run this company. The CEO, his boss, is a good-ol-boy who graduated college with a 2.0, knows jack shit, got his job through nepotism, does nothing for the company but schmooze on the golf course, and gets paid millions.

so yes, there are two sides to every story. There's the hardworking CEO that gets paid dick, and the lazy fuckup CEO that gets overpaid.


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