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blacksun



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Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll**
#7559794 - 10/25/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just looking at a website with some really fucked up information -
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# Hallucinogens are drugs that distort a person's view of reality. The best-known hallucinogens are PCP ("angel dust"), LSD ("acid"), psilocybin ("magic mushrooms"), mescaline, and peyote. Teens who take these drugs often hurt themselves or become violent toward others, and their unpredictable behavior can lead to serious injuries or death. Since everyone reacts differently to these drugs, there is no way to predict if a given person will have a bad experience. Hallucinogens cause the same physical damage as other drugs and also seriously affect your brain. Even if you only use them once and then stop, you can have "flashbacks" later, when you feel as though you are losing touch with reality and time is slowing down, even though you took the drug a long time ago.
So, ive made a poll.
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Edited by blacksun (10/25/07 04:32 PM)
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Re: Misinformation. [Re: blacksun]
#7559819 - 10/25/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hmm interesting I took the poll and had the exact same answers as the first person to take it. was that you?
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blacksun



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Indeed.
Heres another question.
If you HAVE had a flashback, was it a negative or positive experience?
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Re: Misinformation. [Re: blacksun]
#7559855 - 10/25/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read one thing that says flashbacks are closed eyed visuals that encompass people when they try to sleep, perhaps they have flashbacks confused with dreams?
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blacksun



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It would be nice for over a hundred people to vote on the poll, so we can get some decent stats.
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I wouldnt say flashback because it is the wrong word. I would say i have had moments where i experienced after effects. I enjoyed them thoroughly and it never put me in anytype of danger. The dea or whoever uses things like this to scare people away from using them. They try to make people sheople, one follow the other and so forth. Fuck it makes everyone zombies and that is what they want. They want u to also notice that PCP is the first thing they name. Not very surprising, taking into consideration that it is the one that will 1) hurt you the most and 2) be most likely to scare you away from the rest of the drugs. Fuck anyone who keeps any information from you, for they wish to be your master!
          
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Re: Misinformation. [Re: ZShroom]
#7559904 - 10/25/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where did this tripe come from?
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Re: Misinformation. [Re: ZShroom]
#7559905 - 10/25/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have flashbacks all the time from tripping experiences, and it's wonderful! I love when memories come floating back to me about tripping, even the intense parts are good to remember. I always learn something from every trip, so I can't say a flashback could ever be exactly bad.
I didn't answer the question about losing touch with reality because I can't say that I have the same idea of reality as before using hallucinogens. I don't consider it negative, as hallucinogens have certainly expanded my mind about reality. So what I'm saying here is I don't feel the same about what composes reality, but I haven't exactly lost touch with reality, either.
The site you were reading is just another way to 'warn kids against using drugs.' It's inevitable that such things will exist and you just have to pick through the crappy sources to get the good ones.
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Re: Misinformation. [Re: ZShroom]
#7559907 - 10/25/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe that when used correctly, hallucinogenics can decrease the urges of violence, however taking in the mental effects of hallucinogenics it's impossible to say whether a person would react aggressively or peacefully mid-trip if fronted with a situation. It really depends if that person uses their brain during their day-to-day thing or not.
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Re: Misinformation. [Re: blacksun]
#7559920 - 10/25/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've never become violent because of a hallucinogen, but a couple times when they have put me in an altered mindset I feel they have caused me to say some things to friends I wouldn't say sober.
I've got some damn cool friends though, so no hard feelings. .
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: blacksun]
#7559924 - 10/25/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just a couple small points that I feel need to be made:
1. I said no for "Do hallucinogens do as much physical damage as other drugs?" but this is a hard question to answer. A lot could depend on method of administration, for example. There could be a particular hallucinogen that could be used orally or insufflated and it might be relatively harmless the first way but potentially as harmful as coke could be the other.
2. The other question asks "Have you ever lost touch with reality due to hallucinogens?" Well, I think that's the whole point with some of them. But the article claims that one will still experience this feeling long after using the substance and that, we all know, is total bullshit. So I just think you might want to consider rewording that one.
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: truffleupagus]
#7559933 - 10/25/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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But the article claims that one will still experience this feeling long after using the substance and that, we all know, is total bullshit.
I dont think that is total bullshit. I havent eaten mushies in months and still feel after effects. Everyone is different
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: truffleupagus]
#7559936 - 10/25/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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good poll, i think its pretty interesting. it would be pretty cool if a bunch of people took it
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: blunt master]
#7559953 - 10/25/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lost touch with reality. I think that can be translated as "fucked your mind/permanently insane"
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: blacksun]
#7560009 - 10/25/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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according to this poll, 54% of people who voted are insane...
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: blacksun]
#7560468 - 10/25/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i know people who have become violent on LSD.
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: TODAY]
#7560585 - 10/25/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know people who have become violent completely sober. RR
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7560595 - 10/25/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know people that are mentally violent when they sleep.
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: ZShroom]
#7562738 - 10/26/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The stats on the poll are very interesting to say the least.
Thanks to everyone who posted.
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: blacksun]
#7563551 - 10/26/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you believe hallucinogens "cause the same physical damage as other drugs" - I do, because hallucinogens are a very wide class of drugs and it contains some dangerous ones. If the question was only about psychedelics, my answer would be different.
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Edited by Mandark (10/26/07 02:26 PM)
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: Mandark]
#7563601 - 10/26/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people definitely get violent on LSD, but those are usually the people who are doing the drug just to get high as apposed to more serious reasons. If all you want is a high, there are better drugs in the world than LSD.
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: ZShroom]
#7563952 - 10/26/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ZShroom said:
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But the article claims that one will still experience this feeling long after using the substance and that, we all know, is total bullshit.
I dont think that is total bullshit. I havent eaten mushies in months and still feel after effects. Everyone is different
I agree, although it's not a radical change. One of the things that I notice the most in the week or two after an acid trip is that I am MUCH more inclined to draw/doodle on papers in school haha
Prescription drugs that mess with serotonin can have mental effects lasting days and sometimes weeks too, so I don't think it's an unreasonable claim. Just highly exaggerated by the media.
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: Mandark]
#7564101 - 10/26/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have only ever had positive experiences on hallucinagens. I've had two flashbacks, nothing scary just the world going "wavy" and a few patterning affects.
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: haymaker]
#7564671 - 10/26/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I voted "Have lost touch with reality" in the sense that I was totally out there while tripping. Definitely not permanently.
As for flashbacks, I voted "Once". I was working at a printing factory and was working a small envelope printer. Suddenly the huge line of envelopes began to "ooze" and start to fractal bubble. It wasn't very intense but I did notice a tunnel vision effect and that extremely detailed hallucination. It lasted a couple minutes and went away when I turned my focus elsewhere. I didn't trip for about a year previous to this event. That was 16 years ago and I've tripped many, many times since then but have never experienced anything that could be called a flashback other than that.
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: Mikeadelic]
#7565159 - 10/26/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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no damage to heart no damage to neural tissue no damage to nasal septum no damage to lungs no damage to liver from lsd
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: redgreenvines]
#7565593 - 10/27/07 02:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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same with mush correct?
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: ZShroom]
#7565609 - 10/27/07 02:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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They make you tell the truth..
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: Brainiac]
#7565704 - 10/27/07 03:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've had weird trip like effects, but I don't think they were "flashbacks," Our mind plays tricks on us all the time. It seems pretty impossible to have a flashback,the active ingredients of these drugs are completely gone after the effects leave. Theres nothing left to cause a flashback, unless there was some brain damage or something involved. Which again, I highly doubt.
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Re: Misinformation. **Please post on the Poll** [Re: Mandark]
#7565759 - 10/27/07 04:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd say hallucinogens and psychedelics are the same thing. They're different to disassociatives like ketamine, PCP. And empathogens like MDMA.
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