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Re: drug use just a "phase?" How do you explain otherwise to someone? [Re: kotik]
    #7565906 - 10/27/07 06:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps it would be best to approach people with these kinds of attitudes in a genuinely inquisitive manner first. You need to ask people exactly what they mean when they say they've "grown out" of their "drug phase". Question #1: WHICH drugs? Question #2: Under what circumstances (time, place, etc..)? Question #3: Why did you use these specific drugs?
Telling someone you've grown out of the phase they're 'in' is condescending, but understandable. The point is to get personal in your conversation in an engaging, constructive manner. Just listen to them and what they have to say about their personal experiences with drugs. Once you get a better picture of the person you're dealing with, I can guarantee your communication which be far more effective--if you want it to be. Don't start debating until A) you know exactly who you're talking to and B) you know exactly what you're talking about and what you want to talk about or debate if necessary.


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Re: drug use just a "phase?" How do you explain otherwise to someone? [Re: slamdunk]
    #7565941 - 10/27/07 06:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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psychedelics are a way of life... not just a phase...
just give them a large dose of mushrooms... that should be convincing enough




Ironically, large doses of mushrooms uuuusually leave me with the insight that psychedelic drug use is a temporary solution, and that I must learn to reach the same levels of awareness WITHOUT the drug to aid me.


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Re: drug use just a "phase?" How do you explain otherwise to someone? [Re: MonChe]
    #7575253 - 10/30/07 01:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agreed that drug use was not a phase up until yesterday...I met with my long, long time family friend. We'll call him L. L is about 55, and I just happened to be visiting the family when he came home. We talked for a while, about life, about school, it's amazing the type of wisdom an old man can impart on a young mans life [I'll be 20 in January]. He let me know that he thinks drugs should be legal, but not encouraged. He recounted his life at my age and it sounded startlingly similar...we're both fatherless, somewhat outcasts, and into drugs. He has tried everything, and I mean just damn near everything - and when asked what his favorite was, he told me heroin by far.

He told me "that in the end - drugs, lead no where. They'll ultimately lead you down of road that you can't follow and can't use - it's an interesting road for sure, but it's a dead end - my advice to you is to never use them, and to invest in yourself and your mind". He laid that on me, among a lot of other good advice. I think that though my drug use is very, very likely to be a phase [one in which, other than pot, I'm not far from done with] - I'll enjoy it for the time being..but soon my phase will end, as will most..

I guess I'd just check the demographics of this website as proof? Last time I read a thread about the ages of most users, males in their twenties were amazingly common. Maybe it IS a phase. We're all just looking for something, and drugs fill that void. Once we've found the real way to heal ourselves without drugs, we won't want/care about them anymore. :yinyang:


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Re: drug use just a "phase?" How do you explain otherwise to someone? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7575409 - 10/30/07 04:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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blkjkrabbit said:
He told me "that in the end - drugs, lead no where. They'll ultimately lead you down of road that you can't follow and can't use - it's an interesting road for sure, but it's a dead end - my advice to you is to never use them, and to invest in yourself and your mind"




Well, ultimately, life is such that every road you will follow is a "dead end"...


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Re: drug use just a "phase?" How do you explain otherwise to someone? [Re: aDoS]
    #7575411 - 10/30/07 04:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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blacksun said:
Heres a good one.

What is the most powerful date-rape drug in use?
Alcohol(fact)

Just explain how bad alcohol is.
And sugar.

I would say, all hallucinogens, including cannabis, put together, do less damage than alcohol alone.

Maybe even all hallucinogenic use in a 10 year period, is less than the statistics of alcohol in a single year.

Do a bit of research, get some decent statistics and destroy their arguments.:dancingshroom:




Imagine as many people who use alcohol, using hallucinogenic drugs. There will be some problems I promise you that. Hallucinogenic drugs can make some people absolutely fucked in the head.




Indeed they can, but moderation is the key.
There isnt really a way to know what society would be like if psychedelics were legal.
I think it would be fucking weird, on a saturday evening, if most of the people walking around are tripping.


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Re: drug use just a "phase?" How do you explain otherwise to someone? [Re: blacksun]
    #7575433 - 10/30/07 05:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

In a society that friendly, it'd be fucking rad. Everyone would just be having a good time, and the odd person that'd bad trip would get comforted by many experts. Dreamworld.


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Re: drug use just a "phase?" How do you explain otherwise to someone? [Re: kotik]
    #7575590 - 10/30/07 07:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps one day I'll quit using drugs (at least marijuana, 'shrooms, etc) but maybe not.

I think the only way I'll quit is through overuse or bad experiences.

It's like going to Cedar Point (amusement park, for those who don't know); if you go every year or less frequent than that, you still haven't quit going, you just don't feel the need to do it as often.


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Re: drug use just a "phase?" How do you explain otherwise to someone? [Re: kotik]
    #7576025 - 10/30/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think the context of the drug use is more important than anything, me and my close friends have gone from drinking and smoking wherever we could to being faced with decent options regarding what we do. The entire experience becomes more enjoyable when a reasonable level of control is introduced.

The whole concept of user maturity is somewhat incorrect as far as i'm concerned: I personally don't consider arrogance over personal choices a matter of either mental or physical age.

Everything regarding drugs always really boils down to knowledge, or rather lack of. As an example often when you speak to people who are opposed to drugs they have very very little in the way of reasons for why they feel how they do, I'd rather not delve into the politics of the matter but it seems many people are happy to accept the notion "drugs are bad" without the slightest amount of effort put into challenging that assumption.


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