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Offlinemikebart101
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Some Question on Ego Loss
    #7558032 - 10/25/07 05:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Is it possible for someone to never have it?

Does the ego come from false behavior or believing you are something that you are not?

Is this why it is so traumatizing and scary to those who have built up these massive egos about themselves that hold no ground?

So is it possible for someone to never actually have an ego if his/her ego comes from absolute truth; i.e. knowing they are perfectly capable of what they believe to be their limits?


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So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: mikebart101]
    #7558051 - 10/25/07 05:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you were in a constant state of 100% ego loss, you'd just be a catatonic lump. You have to have a basic sense of ego to know you exist.


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7558068 - 10/25/07 06:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I worded my question incorrectly. Is it possible to have positive ego and negative ego; ego that holds truth to who you are and ego that is falsely established?

If you knew you were the best at something, and you knew it for a fact, would that be considered ego or just awareness of oneself?

The reason I ask...

Ridding oneself of all their false beliefs, their entire ego, does that make them totally aware of who they actually are?

They are not cocky, or pompous in any way, they are just aware; ego-less because they can not deny the truth about their capabilities.


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So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: mikebart101]
    #7558117 - 10/25/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I guess its a matter of opinion as to what is better or worse. I tend to think the brain naturally creates an ego to order the world around it into a functioning system of beliefs. Its a complicated subject though, this is questioning our identitys which is probably one of the biggest mysterys of life.


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: DimensionX]
    #7558183 - 10/25/07 07:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There is a difference between those who SHOULD have egos and those who SHOULD NOT.

I have met some pretty smart, educated people in my life and the ones who are true geniuses, are the ones who have no ego regarding their abilities. The ones who wish they were capable of such, are the ones with the ego problem.

A true/pure ego is one that simply validates what you KNOW about yourself, and is used only by you for identity purposes. A damaging ego comes from being egotistical and big headed and pushing that ego upon others.

In other words, pure ego is awareness of oneself; ego-loss is simply losing hold of who you THOUGHT you were.

Yes/No?


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So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.


Edited by mikebart101 (10/25/07 07:27 AM)


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: mikebart101]
    #7558194 - 10/25/07 07:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That is definately a good idea. I think your onto something, im going to give it alot of thought. Thanks.


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: DimensionX]
    #7558326 - 10/25/07 08:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think you're absolutely right, mikebart.


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: mikebart101]
    #7558600 - 10/25/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Is it possible for someone to never have it?

I believe we are born in a state of no ego.


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: mikebart101]
    #7558695 - 10/25/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's more a matter of what is in the drivers seat. It's very easy to equate high intelligence with low ego, but this is not so. It shouldn't be hard to think of intelligent people who have nasty temperament, and I know dumb people who are the most pleasant of people to be around.

Your train of thought will lead you to breaking the ego up into separate aspects, which many philosophers have done. Better IMO to use the term "higher self", or soul, as there is no ground for it to bleed into ego. A baby is born with a higher self, and develops an ego. The higher self is never cultured, or improved upon. You could call this "pure ego", but then things might start to get blurry.


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: mikebart101]
    #7558704 - 10/25/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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mikebart101 said:
I worded my question incorrectly. Is it possible to have positive ego and negative ego; ego that holds truth to who you are and ego that is falsely established?

If you knew you were the best at something, and you knew it for a fact, would that be considered ego or just awareness of oneself?

The reason I ask...

Ridding oneself of all their false beliefs, their entire ego, does that make them totally aware of who they actually are?

They are not cocky, or pompous in any way, they are just aware; ego-less because they can not deny the truth about their capabilities.




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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: El Zorro]
    #7559014 - 10/25/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think the point is to lose your ego, but to witness it die. This causes a separation of the fundamental identity of self, and of the ego which is seen as self at the time. This separation is a transcendence. You return to having an ego, but one that does not have such a strong grasp on you, as you now see it for what it is. After that, the idea is to learn to identify with a higher state of consciousness above the ego (but not cutting off and losing the ego). You still know your body and your ego and mind are yours, but they aren't YOU.


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7559044 - 10/25/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There is nothing wrong with having an ego... It's self empowering. To try and remove the ego is a waste of time... It's all about structure. Learn the structure and change it so that it suits you better. Learn who you are and it'll lead to who you become.

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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7559127 - 10/25/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think the point is to lose your ego, but to witness it die. This causes a separation of the fundamental identity of self, and of the ego which is seen as self at the time. This separation is a transcendence. You return to having an ego, but one that does not have such a strong grasp on you, as you now see it for what it is. After that, the idea is to learn to identify with a higher state of consciousness above the ego (but not cutting off and losing the ego). You still know your body and your ego and mind are yours, but they aren't YOU.




I agree. Except I don't think it is the ego which has a strong grasp on us, we are the ego and we are also the higher consciousness.

One does not learn to identify with a higher consciousness, because identity is the goal of the ego - the idea is to witness the ego patiently, let it's mental projections fall away, so you can act more based on what is really happening and who you really are. We can witness the ego die all the time, just not completely like in an ego loss experience.


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: Droz]
    #7559145 - 10/25/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Droz said:
There is nothing wrong with having an ego... It's self empowering. To try and remove the ego is a waste of time... It's all about structure. Learn the structure and change it so that it suits you better. Learn who you are and it'll lead to who you become.

Peace,
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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: ultrafeel]
    #7559177 - 10/25/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ultrafeel said:
Quote:

Droz said:
There is nothing wrong with having an ego... It's self empowering. To try and remove the ego is a waste of time... It's all about structure. Learn the structure and change it so that it suits you better. Learn who you are and it'll lead to who you become.

Peace,
Droz





Only the ego can ever want to get rid of the ego...





Good. :thumbup:


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7559341 - 10/25/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It seems to me that Freud's theory's on the psychotherapy are outdated, and in need of serious revision. It was an excellent tool for its time, but its time to move on.


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: blewmeanie]
    #7559369 - 10/25/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yup, time to leave behind the good old Freud :hehehe:


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7559454 - 10/25/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think you envy him. :wink:


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7559457 - 10/25/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Even theeight circuit model of consciousness which is full of holes and leaps of faith seems more thorough and reliable than Freud's organizational patterns, and attempts to cure psychopathology.IMO:imspecial:


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Re: Some Question on Ego Loss [Re: Icelander]
    #7559458 - 10/25/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Actually the word envy was first used in the English language to describe Freud's penis. I'm pretty sure of this.


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