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germanshroomgirl
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Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated!
#7557828 - 10/25/07 02:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi There. I'm new here. I have researched this and can not find any direct post that directly relates to my friends possible problem. Please check out my descriptions and pictures. Thanks!
First off there was a slight brown gel type spot after removing from the jar. I did research and found most people to say this could be a mycelium piss which I read was not bad. This jar took the longest (aprox 2 months) to completely colonize.
Once colonized the cake was dunked. When dunked a patch of mycelium above the brown (mycelium piss) spot seemed to rub off the cake very easily. Under it looked as if it was the substrate showing with possibly a very thin gel of the piss coating it (possibly why the mycelium did not stick correctly). There was also an area just to the left of the patch that had some brown showing through the mycelium. My friend figured it appeared to be the substrate showing though.
The cake was place in a bin with three other cakes that were completely fine and have stayed completely fine. The cake sat in the bin for approx 1 month. Mycelium fuzz regrew over the patch that came off and just yesturday mushrooms started to show.
24 hours later the mushrooms are quite a bit bigger and healthy looking, however there is a blueish (not green)fuzz growing on the base of some of the mushrooms.
The pics below show the current state of the cake/mushrooms. Please tell me if you think the cake is contaminated and I should get rid of it, or if you think I can keep it and let it grow. I would also like to know if the mushrooms are still healthy/safe to eat. I have read conflicting advice about eating healthy looking mushrooms off contaminated cakes. If someone could please shed some light on these issues I would very much appreciate it. Here are the photos:
First two photos show the brown spot of possible mycelium piss, right above it (under where the mushrooms are growing) is the patch where the mycelium came off during the dunk and regrew. Just North west of that same growth you can see the brown where my friend thinks it is just the substrate comeing through (BRF substrate).


Here is another closer pic of the area the substrat looked like it was coming through as well as top views of the cake.






These next pics are several different views of the blueish fuzz at the base of some of the mushrooms.






Here are pics of the Mushrooms looking healthy.




Any help would be greatly appreciated. On my friends behalf I thank you in advance. BTW they have been at about 78 degrees F and 89% humidity. Thank you!
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: germanshroomgirl]
#7557841 - 10/25/07 02:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: rodfarva]
#7558356 - 10/25/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Welcome to the shroomery. The bluing you see is bruising from the cakes starting to dry out. You can pour some water on the top of the cake into the divot left by the shape of the jar. Fill that up, and within a few hours it will absorb into the mycelium. Repeat daily for a few days and your fruits will grow much larger.
The discoloration is metabolites, not piss which mushrooms don't make. Before and after dunking, rinse the cakes under the faucet to remove anything that will wash off. I'd suggest reading up on 'dunk and roll'. Having a layer of verm on the outside of the cakes gives you something to mist daily, and then the verm will hold the moisture as a reservoir for the mycelium to draw from. Good luck. RR
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germanshroomgirl
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7558455 - 10/25/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for replying so far guys. Are you both sure it's safe though? It does not look like usual bruising and looks more like fuzz that is blueish. The brown spot is not dangerous either? I just want to confirm. Thanks again, I look forward for your replies as well as more member to reply. Thanks!
P.s. How much water do you suggest my friend puts on top of the cake? And why would my friends other cakes not hae the same problem that are in the same tub?
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: germanshroomgirl]
#7558853 - 10/25/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: germanshroomgirl]
#7561191 - 10/25/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice man.. those are going to turn out well
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: Locus]
#7561436 - 10/26/07 12:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the support! I will make sure my friend uses a flash next time. My friend has a new problem that has surfaced unfortunately. My friend just picked the last two mushrooms off of one of the other cakes in the tub. The mushrooms look good and healthy. However when my friend lifted the cake up to dunk the cake between flushes, my friend noticed there was the forest green mold at the bottom of the cake. It looks as if the mold was produced originally on some of the we perlite under the jar lid that the cake was sitting on. There was some green on the perlite there that my friend scooped up and disposed of. My friend also disposed of the cake in a plastic bag and threw it away immediately. Now my question is, are the two healthy looking mushrooms that came from that cake and were picked this morning still edible? or are they dangerous? They were not in direct contact with the forest green mold. And do you think my friend's whole mushroom tub/enviornment/make shift clean room has been compromised. What can my friend do to remedy this situation? I unfortunately do not have any pics to post for this. Please Help!??
In addition, is the roll metheod that is used after dunking still recomended on dunks that occur in between flushes? Thanks! Thanks!
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: germanshroomgirl]
#7562088 - 10/26/07 08:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The fruits are fine. Molds on a substrate don't effect the fruits.
Usually, we just dunk between flushes, only rolling before first flush. RR
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#21474451 - 03/29/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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You only roll in verm before the first flush? How will the cake hold moisture after the first flush then?
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Usually, we just dunk between flushes, only rolling before first flush. RR
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: sun.speck]
#21474782 - 03/29/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I hope RR reprimands you for this. I miss him.
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21474927 - 03/29/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Reprimands me for what? Asking a question I should've found in these thousands of threads..... there are so many different methods, people saying this and that.... I don't understand why anyone should be reprimanded for asking a specific question in a thread..... it's better than making an entirely new post. I'm dunking and rolling TODAY so found it useful to see his comment when I did.... it's my first project too so soon as I figure out out these little details I'll be off the shroomery until I decide to try a different method.
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: sun.speck]
#21476152 - 03/29/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Chill the fuck out, it was a joke buddy, and if you don't understand it then that's fine. 
You bumped a 7.5 year thread. Usually people get told not to do that.
That's about as far as I'm going to explain myself to you.
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21476170 - 03/29/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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As far as your question regarding the roll, it's just how things are done. There are some opinions on why that is.
You dunk/roll, and the layer of verm helps keep moisture and humidity high at the surface of the cake, to form a nice pinset. Your pin set for the next few flushes are usually set during the first flush. The primordia/knots form during the 1st flush, and develop as the cake matures and flushes out.
Re rolling can lead to increased contamination some feel, because you're trapping any contaminants that have landed on the cake under the new layer of verm.
If you really want to roll after eat flush/dunk you can, but most don't.
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21476227 - 03/29/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I saw that this post was very old but was under the impression that RR was still around..... I was not asking the original poster a question so I thought it would be fine, rather than posting a new thread with the same question.
I'm not really a buddy, I'm a girl, and my feelings get hurt easily. haha
Thank you for explaining about the verm after the first flush. I'm feeling pretty pathetic tonight with my blue pins, assuming they got knocked around a bit in the dunk and it's just bruising, but I'm also struggling to keep the terrarium at 70 degrees. I should have waited for summer. Lesson learned. I'm glad only 2 cakes were ready just in case I mess up the fan/misting/humidity/temp part.
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: sun.speck]
#21476798 - 03/29/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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No worries. Welcome to the shroomery, lady. 
I was more making a comment about RR, cause I miss him...he's not around these days, and if he was he probably would've told you not to bump old threads(which personally never bothered me anyways, as long as it's relevant).
Your cakes should be fine in the mid to high 60s. I'm colonizing some bulk in the 60s right now, going slow and steady.
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Re: Newbie: Possible Blue Fuzz Comtam/Brown Spot (good quality pics) Any help appreciated! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21477702 - 03/30/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh great! I have them on a chair since my lid is solid white....closer to the height of the window..... and there is a space heater set to 68-70 a few feet away but I'm afraid this might dry them out over time?? It's not running all the time, mostly turns on at night but doesn't stay on for long as it's in a corner.... warming up fast. The hygrometer is lame, actually, I'm lame, hard to know if it's working right or not as I started pushing buttons before reading the manual.... my partner already got on me about that one haha, but it says 70 degrees whereas yesterday it said 64 without the heater going.
Does this look right?


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Your cakes should be fine in the mid to high 60s. I'm colonizing some bulk in the 60s right now, going slow and steady.
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