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a_guy_named_ai
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Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup?
#7556851 - 10/24/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's a little bit of history for you doubters of the blow-back theory in the middle east.
Edited by jonathan_206 (10/24/07 08:35 PM)
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7557460 - 10/24/07 11:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't know much about Ron Paul but that is the first time I've heard an American politician admit that they "don't attack us because we're rich and free, they attack us because we are over there."
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7557495 - 10/24/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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He admitts a lot of truths the other politicians will not speak up on. He is worth getting to know more about. The first video I saw of him was his addressing Greenspan about the ils of the Federal Reserve.
My jaw dropped. I thought HOLY SHIT. Did I just watch a Congressman say those things to the Feds? I was surprised he hadn't been shot and killed already.
He has some major balls and he's been an American Hero to me ever since.
Anyway, this is a video that adds more facts and details to the above video. It's a quick watch and..............it's a no wonder they see the U.S. as being the terrorists.
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7557781 - 10/25/07 01:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: Cracka_X]
#7557849 - 10/25/07 02:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What are the chances of him being elected?
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: Ngalyod]
#7557966 - 10/25/07 04:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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> What are the chances of him being elected?
Slim, but better than none. If the "paulnuts" (per Zappa) are able to maintain the momentum they are building, then it could get interesting. Personally, I think if he can win the republican nomination, then he will win the entire thing. The real race is the primary. Time will tell...
The other night I was eating dinner with somebody from the US. An older woman that has been in the corporate and is about to retire. She said that there were no good candidates this election. I said that I agree, except for one, Ron Paul. Her exact words, "Ron Paul? Who is that?". After I described him for a few seconds, she replied, "Oh yeah. I see his name everywhere."
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: Seuss]
#7558282 - 10/25/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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As a history buff, I have been saying this for a long time. I believe that yes, these people did attack the WTC and Pentagon. If one takes the time to think about it, if these people wanted to attack "America" they would have done so. Did Americans die as a result of the attacks? Yes, but that was not their exact goal. They attacked the two symbols of American Imperialism.
A lot of what is going on in the Middle East today is a result of the cold war. Although Russia and the US never really fought, they used pawn countries to do that. Korea, Vietnam, South America, and the Middle East. We used these people, including Saddam to fight "our" war against communism, and once their usefulness was gone, we dumped them and turned them into enemies. These people hate the US govt and corporations because of what they have done to their lives. We allowed these nut cases to come to power just because they were against the "other side". It's a sad part of American history that has been completely ignored by most textbooks, politicians, and of course, our "liberal" mainstream media. It's a sad part of history given to us by political (and corporate) agendas that the American people are going to pay for.
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: trippindad82]
#7558361 - 10/25/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea... Israelis one big example. A lot of the hate in the middle east is fueled around Israel. There had always been zionism... and a little violence between Jews and Palestinians... but I doubt Israel would have been a state if it weren't for all the displaced jews
Fuckin Hilter.
I wonder what the world would be like there was no WWII. Maybe even worse.. the Soviet Union would still be around, gobbling up countries, but more slowly. We wouldn't have been in such an arms race so maybe our tensions with the UUSR would have slowly built up.. maybe peaking as of NOW... or maybe someone ELSE (china) would have gotten a little more daring.
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: BrAiN]
#7558722 - 10/25/07 11:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is interesting when you think about it is the US actually needs another country or group of countries to checkmate us. Unrestrained power is not good for anyone.
Power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely.
We used to have the Soviet Union around to check us and we looked damn good by comparison worldwide.
Now we have no check to balance us and the neocons have gone wild with their global hegemonic delusions which led to our blunder in Iraq.
The false neocon worldview will eventually be completely obliterated by reality. Whether he likes it or not, mankind is still subject to nature. And nature always provides a competitor for every predator. Power never goes unchallenged. Some country or group of countries will rise up to challenge America. And it isn't necessarily a bad thing if they themselves are kept in check.
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: zorbman]
#7559140 - 10/25/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This is an oft repeated statement that is entirely inaccurate. Power by itself is not intrinsically corrupt, nor prone to corruption. It is evil people who corrupt government using their power. When righteousness is followed, and when government is built in love, government will stand. When corruption is prevalent, every government will become corrupt. This has been the ultimate cause of corruption of every country in the history of all civilization. True power never corrupts.
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Now we have no check to balance us and the neocons have gone wild with their global hegemonic delusions which led to our blunder in Iraq.
The false neocon worldview will eventually be completely obliterated by reality. Whether he likes it or not, mankind is still subject to nature. And nature always provides a competitor for every predator. Power never goes unchallenged. Some country or group of countries will rise up to challenge America. And it isn't necessarily a bad thing if they themselves are kept in check.
In a world of corrupt people, countries keeping each other in check is a necessary evil. But it's not ultimately necessary. Mankind is not subject to nature..mankind fights against nature.
What would you think if I told you that behind all the lies, behind all the wars, behind all the corruption, there was a single religious power, a mystery of iniquity that has controlled government, and influenced the masses, and used governments and nations as puppets to exercise dominion for it's own purposes and wreak corruption and devastation throughout humanity? What would you think if I told you that you all serve this power? That you are a slave to the power of iniquity that corrupts the world and enslaves all men. That you hate the very beast you serve, and willingly.
But it's the truth.
And once you understand who is ultimately in power, even beyond the mystery of iniquity, your understanding will be enlightened and you will never see the world the same.
Edited by jonathan_206 (10/25/07 12:53 PM)
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7559167 - 10/25/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Corrupt is such a subjective word
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: BrAiN]
#7559274 - 10/25/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not even close.
Our innate ability to determine value dictates it. It's integrated in the very way of the universe.
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7559554 - 10/25/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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We need to make the practice of Islam a crime punnishable by death and then invade Islamic countries to liberate the people there and also make the practice of Islam a crime punnishable by death in those countries.
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: Luddite]
#7559637 - 10/25/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why not? Practicing Christianity in some of those countries is already punishable by death.
Why can't all countries be like Singapore? That place is a virtual Utopia. I've never seen so many walks of life together in harmony.
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: BrAiN]
#7560098 - 10/25/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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tell me about it 
dudeeeee, you can't even stage a protest here! its like paradise totally.
Edited by ddstryr (10/25/07 05:47 PM)
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: ddstryr]
#7560132 - 10/25/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whatever you can protest... you just have to get a permit. It's not my fault that people who protest legally went through the trouble to get one and the lazy ass code pink people were too lazy to fill out a simple form and decided to protest anyways just so they could LOOK like their rights were being violated when the fact was they just didn't go through the proper channels.
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: ddstryr]
#7560140 - 10/25/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ddstryr said: tell me about it 
dudeeeee, you can't even stage a protest here! its like paradise totally.
Oh waiut.. your profile says you live in Singapore. I lived there for a month. SHIT! What;s there to protest in Singapore? You guys live in a total utopia!!!!!! You're nuts You have the most beautiful and peacful country where everyone gets along.. who the hell cares... 
At leas tyou guys are forced into military training.. shit.. if you guys wanted to start a revolution at least everyone would be properly trained.
My only gripe about singapore was the liquor is expensive as fuck because it's all imported. You guys can't make your own? A bottle of jack daniels that cost me 22 dollars in the states was like 34-40 dollars there.
I guess the cheap cost of foos offsets everything. I ate soup with this fried pigs liver in this giant food market in your central business district al day every day. I thnk I spent like 5 bucks in food per day
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: BrAiN]
#7560144 - 10/25/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah but they would designate you to a place where no one can see you, like the IMF thing
Edited by ddstryr (10/25/07 06:01 PM)
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: ddstryr]
#7560150 - 10/25/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea... that's a grey area for me. I mean ppl should have the right to protest.... but the constitution doesn't really say where.. and people have the right to WALK in public without having to take a 5 block detour and have ppl yelling at them.
I dunno.. I'm indifferent I guess. If I want my voice heard. I live in DC. It's not hard to be heard. I have no complaints.
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Re: Is Ron Paul serious? Blowback in 1979 from a 1953 coup? [Re: BrAiN]
#7560260 - 10/25/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol yeah the food is great here. was the place called Lau Pa Sat? i think you can find whatever you want to eat there lol. other than that, there ain't much. esp, if you've lived here for 20 years. i'll be going for police training in a month myself. consider myself lucky because it won't be, as i've heard from other people, as bad as the army.
still, i find people here to be uptight for some reason. like myself sometimes. we're a delusional bunch. 
and drugs? some guy got hanged for smuggling in a kilo [a minimum of 500g] of pot over here 2 years ago. possession and consumption = an automatic 10 years in prison. for pot.
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