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mikebart101
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Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy
#7555937 - 10/24/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Feels like it is. How do they manage to finagle their way around this?
Somewhat off topic but...
Are members of Congress Drug Tested randomly? I sure as hell want to test them; being their employer and everything.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: mikebart101]
#7555956 - 10/24/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The constitution protects citizens from the gov't, not from private entities.
And no, it's not a violation of privacy. If a private company feels that they need to drug test, that is their prerogative.
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mikebart101
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: Redstorm]
#7555977 - 10/24/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is some bullshit. I'm calling for a nationwide construction workers strike!
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: mikebart101]
#7555981 - 10/24/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can strike all you want as long as the employers can just hire someone else.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: Redstorm]
#7555986 - 10/24/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You are making me depressed Redstorm.
I still want to be able to drug test members of congress.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: mikebart101]
#7555995 - 10/24/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wouldn't be against that.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: Redstorm]
#7556121 - 10/24/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Constitution "Technically" applies to everyone, including corporations and private citizens. BUT...Your employment is considered "Voluntary" so its not like their forcing you to take a drug test. Doesn't count. Not saying it shouldn't count, just doesn't.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: Redstorm]
#7556284 - 10/24/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would. Performance test them instead. Then 90% of them can be kicked out for being too fucking incompetant. I don't care what the 10% left take.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: mikebart101]
#7556392 - 10/24/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I still want to be able to drug test members of congress.
I think the members of congress should test their staff. Does anyone know if they do?
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: mikebart101]
#7556760 - 10/24/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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mikebart101 said: You are making me depressed Redstorm.
I still want to be able to drug test members of congress.
yeah, and if they piss weeded they pass and if they piss unweeded they fail.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#7558114 - 10/25/07 06:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If we didn't drug test on humans we'd never have any life saving drugs.
There comes a point where after you've done enough testing on animals, you're going to have to test the drug on HUMANS eventually. How can you release any drugs for HUMANS to use without testing it on HUMANS first? Some people need these drugs to survive. I guess we could just go back to the stone age before prescription drugs so our life expectancy can drop dramatically. And before you can even test these drugs on humans yiou've have to do TONS of testing on them to make sure that the risks that they pose to humans are minimal.
You'd probably be singing a different tune if you had a family member who's on a prescription that he/she needed to survive. Without testing on humans... he/she would be dead right now.
And certain HUMANS are volunteering to be used as testing for the progress of mankind and getting compensated... pretty well too. I had an aquantence in college back in Baltmore who made a living being a test subject at John Hopkins right down the road while he was at school.
What's ironic is that while we were in college, someone ELSE flipped out on prescription drugs that were deemed 'safe' and stabbed HIM in the neck back in the dorms.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: Redstorm]
#7558495 - 10/25/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If a private company feels that they need to drug test, that is their prerogative.
It is, but it shouldn't be. Other than for safety sensitive occupations (airline pilot, police officer, bus driver, and so on) drug testing is an invasion of privacy having nothing to do with the performance of the job.
Why aren't cops drug tested? I mean, they use deadly tools in the performance of their job. It stands to reason that they should be drug tested as a safety concern.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: Diploid]
#7558573 - 10/25/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You'd think they would be.
All it takes is a referendum really. Just get a bunch of signatures to get it on the ballot.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: BrAiN]
#7558598 - 10/25/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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NYC cops are subject to random testing.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: mikebart101]
#7558643 - 10/25/07 10:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fuck em, at this point they are just wasting their money as any yokel can buy a product that helps you beat a drug test.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: falcon]
#7558857 - 10/25/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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falcon said: I think the members of congress should test their staff. Does anyone know if they do?
I'm pretty sure they are. I think it was Reagan that signed some kind of executive order that said every government employee must be drug free. I'm assuming that means they get at least a pre employment test. Elected officials on the other hand aren't employees they're elected officials. That being said they work for "we the people" and we should demand our politicians be drug free. I would personally like to give every elected official a polygraph test. That's how the debates should go. They hook each one up one at a time and ask them questions about what they would do in office and have that televised.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: mikebart101]
#7558873 - 10/25/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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corporate drug testing isnt about drugs..its about humiliating and intimidating people...the ineffectiveness of drug testing in curtailing drug use is well known and documented..and one U of michigan study even found that it costs $90k per offender caught (unfortunately..i dont have a link)...all of the drug issues in general fail to address to real health issues associated with drugs..but are rather concerned strictly with imposing power as an end to itself...
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: Annapurna1]
#7558921 - 10/25/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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corporate drug testing is just another form of cultural bias in the job market, ie moneyed conservatives using their economic resources to starve out anyone that doesn't fit into their idea of what the average worker should be.
If you get drunk after work everyday and watch football, you're hired.
If you smoke pot and go to drum jams... no employment for you.
the end result is that a certain type of worker flourishes, and anyone else starves.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: Annapurna1]
#7558946 - 10/25/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm a retard...
All this time I'm thinking about TESTING DRUGS... not DRUG TESTING
What a fuckin rant I went on..
Although,... the story about my buddy getting stabbed in the throat is kinda interesting
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: BrAiN]
#7558959 - 10/25/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, it wasn't a total waste. It was funny to read you heatedly rant about a totally unrelated topic
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: wps]
#7559008 - 10/25/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wps said: corporate drug testing is just another form of cultural bias in the job market, ie moneyed conservatives using their economic resources to starve out anyone that doesn't fit into their idea of what the average worker should be.
If you get drunk after work everyday and watch football, you're hired.
If you smoke pot and go to drum jams... no employment for you.
the end result is that a certain type of worker flourishes, and anyone else starves.
I agree. I've always found it ironic that most of the work I've missed over the years was due almost exclusively to hangovers never due to drug use. These were jobs where I passed the pre employment drug test for using fake piss. It would be kind of funny because after I miss a day and come back and people would ask me where I was and I tell them I was hungover. They all laugh and make a big joke about it. But if I tell them I came in high today or smoked a bowl on my lunch brake it's a big deal. Just another unproductive pointless double standard of society.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: wps]
#7559123 - 10/25/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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All this time I'm thinking about TESTING DRUGS... not DRUG TESTING
Yeah, I was gonna say something, but I was stoned at the time and wasn't sure which of us was confused.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: Diploid]
#7559605 - 10/25/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wasn't gonna stop him. He was on a roll.
If you don't like a company's drug policy DON'T WORK THERE.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: zappaisgod]
#7559630 - 10/25/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There was a health insurance company I heard of a few years ago that told employees who SMOKED that they had 1 year to quit.. after that they'd get canned..
Now... thre's a really grey area....
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: BrAiN]
#7559642 - 10/25/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not grey at all. It's their company, they can do whatever they want.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: zappaisgod]
#7559844 - 10/25/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with "its their decision" mentality. No one's forcing them to be employees.
but depends... if it's a public company or not. Couldn't that kind of company have a stockholder vote to veto something like that
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: BrAiN]
#7559857 - 10/25/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe. I doubt they would though.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: zappaisgod]
#7559898 - 10/25/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Depends on how many sympathetic stock holders are smokers
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: zappaisgod]
#7561502 - 10/26/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Not grey at all. It's their company, they can do whatever they want.
I'm excited for when Hillary care denies coverage for smokers.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: gluke bastid]
#7562014 - 10/26/07 07:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's the point where I'll get pretty pissed. I'm not a smoker anymore, but this whole social engineering bullshit that the Democrats try to pull.. pisses me off.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: BrAiN]
#7562351 - 10/26/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Conservatives pull that shit too, they just don't use the government as much to do it.
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Re: Corporate Drug Testing a Violation of Constitutional Privacy [Re: wps]
#7563077 - 10/26/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Conservatives just try to amend the constitution with their social engineering ideas.
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