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OfflineToo Vanilla
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Starting a new religion...
    #7554008 - 10/24/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, this is fun. But I want your guys' (and gals') help on this...

I'm starting a religion for fun and profit (oh yes, profit). I'm an ordained minister, so I'm going to use that to my advantage. I'm going to give you some components, and I'd like to see how it can be molded into a set of ideals and dogmas.

Here we go... (DISCLAIMER: The following is nonsense multiplied by heavy coffee intake)

1) In the beginning there was a being (the chicken came first, deal with it) and it became conscious. Simply, It recognized It existed, but then It began expanding in a fractal, semi-binary fashion, because It alternated between acknowledgement that it existed and its desires for nullification. Trust me, its a much more simple concept than you think.

2) The dichotomy of our Dream Life and our Consensus Reality is symbolic of the orignial Being's struggle with itself. Dreams are a Reality only we (as individuals) can see or verify, and though we can only partially manifest them, there is no way to objectively verify they exist at all, and thus is the struggle of both man and its Creator.

3) Dreams and Entheogens (the use of the word Entheogen is vital) are a reminder of the Original Strife. These are perceptions and realities we cannot share with another entity. Language, symbols, and emotions don't even begin to properly represent these Experiences, yet we cannot deny they, at one point, Existed; so Language, Symbols, and Emotions are all we have. Thus is the struggle of the fractal state which is our creator. The Great It has no other deity with which to share everything that has been created in his struggle. The phrase "Cogito, ergo sum" still has no objective rationale, but it resonates nonetheless.

4) Thusly, I wish to create a religion that acknowledges that its very being is ancillary, but stresses collective measures are the only way we will get each other through This Thing, whatever it is.

5) The goal of each individual within the collective of my religion is to share their Dream State through any means necessary. The Original Strife can only be weathered if it is done on a collective level. It is easier to till the soil if more than one ox shares the yoke. Dream Reports and Trip Reports are shared and analyzed by all.

6) Hitherto, religions were a process of recognizing the polarizing states of the Original Strife, and then a drive to accept and fully adhere to one side of this Strife: Trying to be "Good" rather than "Evil", yearning for "Choas" or "Order", "Pleaure" or "Pain". This is adding an extra step.

7) We look to the latest and greatest human creation, the Binary Language, which in itself is the closest metaphor we have of the Original Strife: On Or Off. This simple language has created a whole new reality for the Universe and the perception thereof. Look at the fractal nature in which the Internet (and Internets) have grown. Simply manipulating electrical impulses to either be On Or Off, the battle between the two states has multiplied exponentially (or maybe logarithmically) and created a new fractal universe and a more expedient method in which humans can access various Dream States and Realities. "A pernicious form of LSD...", I believe has been used to describe the internet, and I don't know that I disagree. It is hardly coincidental that both the study of Memetics and Pornography has flourished in this realm. Both demand a rapid rate of information sharing and fractal progression.

9) On Or Off. This religion will focus on the Or, seeing as it is a Anthropomorphisation of It. We shall dwell in Absurdity and attempt to share in its Strife. Good and Evil will be complimentary states, Pain and Pleasure will share a holiday, and the handshake of Chaos and Order will be the unnatainable goal for which we shall strive.

10) Wars will be fought in Sex and Art.

11) Dreams will be brought into Consensus Reality, manipulated, and from their new Dreams will be born.

12) Freedom will only be attained through personal sacrifice at the benefit of the individual freedom of others.

13) We will have a kickass logo (I need the artsy folk's help on this).

Other ideas? Also, how can I profit from this?


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OfflineKinematics
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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7554048 - 10/24/07 08:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'd help, but I'm already a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster


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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7554066 - 10/24/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Its an interesting idea, the obvious profit would be your complete control over your members. Personally I would go for altering an existing religion, for example make an off shoot of christianity, people find it easier to accept so its easier to suck them in. And always remember, no one wants a religion which makes them think, what they want is a strict and easy to understand set of rules which they dont have to question, and an assurance that there is an afterlife.


Edited by DimensionX (10/24/07 08:27 AM)


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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: Kinematics]
    #7554087 - 10/24/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Kinematics said:
I'd help, but I'm already a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster




You can be in both. I'm a member of the Purple Monkey Mafia.

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DimensionX said:
Its an interesting idea, the obvious profit would be your complete control over your members. Personally I would go for altering an existing religion, for example make an off shoot of christianity, people find it easier to accept so its easier to suck them in. And always remember, no one wants a religion which makes them think, what they want is a strict and easy to understand set of rules which they dont have to question, and an assurance that there is an afterlife.




Afterlife, huh? You don't think I'd get more members if I assured them there was nothing after this? Wouldn't people prefer a life of no consequences, and an Alt-F4 command (suicide?)?


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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7554145 - 10/24/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think you could profit from this (although, let's face, it, anybody can make a profit from anything). You've already presented the ideas; this seems more of a lifestyle than a religion.


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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: Boots]
    #7554176 - 10/24/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The afterlife is good because its a continual threat hanging over their heads, "do this or you go to hell". Ask for donations to preform charitable works. You give a little bit to charity then keep the rest and buy a sports car. Get your people to build a "Temple of worship", this for the most part will be a luxurious mansion for you to live in. And reap the rewards of all the tax breaks you get as an organised religion.


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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7554199 - 10/24/07 09:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'd join if your religion made me feel better than everyone else.


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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7554214 - 10/24/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
I'd join if your religion made me feel better than everyone else.




Ah, so exclusivity is important? Hrm... So the goal is to get a shitload of people to convert, but not so many that they don't feel special and they can feel superior to others?

How on earth can I do this without having a Good and Evil?


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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7554235 - 10/24/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Concepts like that will make your relgion more popular and make your followers easy to control. If you tell them theres no after life or good or evil, you will be liberating them, and liberated people are less likely to give you their money. Look at the crazy bible guys on late night tv, thats the way to do it.


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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: DimensionX]
    #7554314 - 10/24/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Looking at Hinduism deeply might help you. It has lots that one could use in terms of afterlife effects and such. A manipulation of the original ideas could allow a whole new way of looking at it.

There is also plently of room for you to create an adaptation from the flexibility inherent in Hinduism. The Hindu belief system itself lends itself well to manipulation. Also have you noticed that it already has this idea of allowing polarities and grey areas at the same time?

I quite enjoy the mycelial/fractal commonalities to mushrooms, the internet and the brain, so I like some of the ideas you have presented. Although to make believers you need sheep who need to be able to understand this stuff. You will need very simple language.

I agree with Dimension X - Getting sheep money is ONLY possible is they ARE sheep. Liberation usually makes people like us, and I wouldnt join you.

Well perhaps...um.....as some kind of saintly or unordinary wild being who could in the future be known as a prophet, but only if there was enough money in it (enough = money to travel and make little ecolodges and complementary mushroom (edible and fun, fun ones) grow ops next to them with one hut on the side for shroomerites's free stay option)

Anyhow, I would like to see how this pans out....


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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7554323 - 10/24/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Too Vanilla said:
Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
I'd join if your religion made me feel better than everyone else.




Ah, so exclusivity is important? Hrm... So the goal is to get a shitload of people to convert, but not so many that they don't feel special and they can feel superior to others?






I dont think you should worry about this because there are plenty who are already out of the loop and none of those will join.

There are also very many who already have been brainwashed for too long, and they will not.

What you will get is the ones easily swayed, college students in the U.S would be my best bet for converts. Everyone else has done it, even Leary! Catch em young and watch em grow!


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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7554539 - 10/24/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

>>>>Afterlife, huh? You don't think I'd get more members if I assured them there was nothing after this? Wouldn't people prefer a life of no consequences, and an Alt-F4 command (suicide?)?

You could make heaven an opt in. People like choices.


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Re: Starting a new religion... [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7554758 - 10/24/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Too Vanilla said:
Okay, this is fun. But I want your guys' (and gals') help on this...

I'm starting a religion for fun and profit (oh yes, profit). I'm an ordained minister, so I'm going to use that to my advantage. I'm going to give you some components, and I'd like to see how it can be molded into a set of ideals and dogmas.

Here we go... (DISCLAIMER: The following is nonsense multiplied by heavy coffee intake)

1) In the beginning there was a being (the chicken came first, deal with it) and it became conscious. Simply, It recognized It existed, but then It began expanding in a fractal, semi-binary fashion, because It alternated between acknowledgement that it existed and its desires for nullification. Trust me, its a much more simple concept than you think.

2) The dichotomy of our Dream Life and our Consensus Reality is symbolic of the orignial Being's struggle with itself. Dreams are a Reality only we (as individuals) can see or verify, and though we can only partially manifest them, there is no way to objectively verify they exist at all, and thus is the struggle of both man and its Creator.

3) Dreams and Entheogens (the use of the word Entheogen is vital) are a reminder of the Original Strife. These are perceptions and realities we cannot share with another entity. Language, symbols, and emotions don't even begin to properly represent these Experiences, yet we cannot deny they, at one point, Existed; so Language, Symbols, and Emotions are all we have. Thus is the struggle of the fractal state which is our creator. The Great It has no other deity with which to share everything that has been created in his struggle. The phrase "Cogito, ergo sum" still has no objective rationale, but it resonates nonetheless.

4) Thusly, I wish to create a religion that acknowledges that its very being is ancillary, but stresses collective measures are the only way we will get each other through This Thing, whatever it is.

5) The goal of each individual within the collective of my religion is to share their Dream State through any means necessary. The Original Strife can only be weathered if it is done on a collective level. It is easier to till the soil if more than one ox shares the yoke. Dream Reports and Trip Reports are shared and analyzed by all.

6) Hitherto, religions were a process of recognizing the polarizing states of the Original Strife, and then a drive to accept and fully adhere to one side of this Strife: Trying to be "Good" rather than "Evil", yearning for "Choas" or "Order", "Pleaure" or "Pain". This is adding an extra step.

7) We look to the latest and greatest human creation, the Binary Language, which in itself is the closest metaphor we have of the Original Strife: On Or Off. This simple language has created a whole new reality for the Universe and the perception thereof. Look at the fractal nature in which the Internet (and Internets) have grown. Simply manipulating electrical impulses to either be On Or Off, the battle between the two states has multiplied exponentially (or maybe logarithmically) and created a new fractal universe and a more expedient method in which humans can access various Dream States and Realities. "A pernicious form of LSD...", I believe has been used to describe the internet, and I don't know that I disagree. It is hardly coincidental that both the study of Memetics and Pornography has flourished in this realm. Both demand a rapid rate of information sharing and fractal progression.

9) On Or Off. This religion will focus on the Or, seeing as it is a Anthropomorphisation of It. We shall dwell in Absurdity and attempt to share in its Strife. Good and Evil will be complimentary states, Pain and Pleasure will share a holiday, and the handshake of Chaos and Order will be the unnatainable goal for which we shall strive.

10) Wars will be fought in Sex and Art.

11) Dreams will be brought into Consensus Reality, manipulated, and from their new Dreams will be born.

12) Freedom will only be attained through personal sacrifice at the benefit of the individual freedom of others.

13) We will have a kickass logo (I need the artsy folk's help on this).

Other ideas? Also, how can I profit from this?




14) Do not drink the kool-aid.


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