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have fun :-D spread the word of love and peace

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LayYouIn said:
let them live in their own little psychosis and leave them alone.

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Seuss said:
> They're just lost like the rest of us, trying to find our way home.

Hardly.  I don't try to legislate my beliefs and moral values forcing other people to live by what I feel is right and wrong.  I don't go around bugging people trying to get them to believe what I believe for their own good.  I try not to judge other people in an attempt to validate my own worth.  And I certainly don't consider myself lost.

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jonathan_206 said:
They're not real Christians. If you want to know what a Christian is, read scripture. If they don't fit, they're not Christians.

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The statement makes no sense. It simply exists as a way in which one individual feels their particular brand of "Christian" thought is more superior and righteous than the others. Every single Christian set of beliefs holds the Bible as its foundation, and each of its followers are inclined to assert that they are "real" Christians.

The fact is, there is no "real" Christian. The fact is, you have no grounds upon which to claim that there is an objective, real "Christian".

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jonathan_206 said:
They're not real Christians. If you want to know what a Christian is, read scripture. If they don't fit, they're not Christians.

Real Christians know that plants were given by God for our use from the very beginning. It's right in scripture in Genesis 1.

And you should know that drugs are not intrinsically counter culture, and by themselves they have no affect on culture, it is the person who takes the drugs and it brings out whatever is in that persons heart.The drugs may have a better use in some instances than others, and may may work with some people better than others though. But definitely not intrinsically counter culture.

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jonathan_206 said:
And you should know that drugs are not intrinsically counter culture, and by themselves they have no affect on culture, it is the person who takes the drugs and it brings out whatever is in that persons heart.The drugs may have a better use in some instances than others, and may may work with some people better than others though. But definitely not intrinsically counter culture.

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DigThisvibe said:
It's a tough call man, shrooms may never be legal. Any time I ever mention shrooms to someone who hasn't tried it, I feel like they judge me, you know what I mean?

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Of course, every human being associates others and their actions and views with meaning (judgement). A great amount of human beings make uninformed judgements, unnecessary judgements, and they obstruct their ability to observe and know reality for what it is as a result. I wouldn't feel too concerned about being judged by others.

Something like mushrooms, which implies a very altered, novel experience of reality that is rather unparalleled to other experiences of reality, with the exception, of course, of other psychadelics, and perhaps a vivid memory of the experience of life as a child, or similar experiences wherein one's thought processes do not obstruct one's magnified perception of one's sensory information and the present moment, cannot be understood by those without a framework with which to understand them. The experience cannot be conveyed. I think the only thing an individual can do is simply be who they are, pursue the mushroom experience for one's own benefit as one feels it necessary, to be an informed individual who knows mushrooms and the nature of the experience. Changes in reality as a whole will naturally occur as a result.

One can, of course, use knowledge in a subtle way to at least bring individuals to be more receptive to an understanding that one day might bring them to make a decision to have a psychadelic experience, or, at the very least, to be more tolerant of the choices of others, and to maybe recognize that their perspective is uninformed, as they have not had the experience, and to recognize that some good may come for others in having the experience.

I think what we will see happen is that the benefits of the usage of psychadelics in therapy and psychological settings will become more prevalent, as the scientific community is becoming more involved in exploring their role in as much, once again. As psychadelics begin to play more of an official role in helping individuals overcome their mental afflictions, and start to live and think more in accordance with the nature of reality, the effects will blossom more and more, throughout reality as a whole. Understanding will become more pronounced, and the uninformed judgement of psychadelic experiences will diminish more and more as the light of knowledge shines through.

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I don't think people don't understand, or don't WANT to understand how positively shrooms can affect one's understanding and outlook. It's a pretty sucky thing, but it's how propaganda works.

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Propaganda is simply the result of a lack of knowledge - it wouldn't exist if knowledge were abundant. It is the lack of a thirst for knowledge that allows propaganda to arise, which further compounds lack of knowledge.

What, do you think, is the source of the lack of a thirst for knowledge? I think it stems from the fact that, to understand and know reality, one must perceive reality for what it is, which implies relinquishing one's conceptions of who one is, as well as one's mentally-defined sense of the nature of reality. I think people are reluctant to do this because they are addicted to security. To understand and know reality, one must embrace the unknown - interact with the unknown in order to make it known, and, subsequently, to know oneself. Our tests of reality define reality as well.

Being attached to security is no longer as much of a benefit to our ability to survive as it once was. In many ways, being attached to security, especially as reality challenges our expectations of how it should unfold in order for us to feel secure, is a hindrance to our ability to survive, and most certainly a severe obstruction to our ability to have a preferential experience of reality, to be able to center in a state of being of love, and to know and understand reality for how it presents itself to be. The more knowledge there is, the less there will be a lack of thirst for more knowledge.

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LayYouIn said:
let them live in their own little psychosis and leave them alone.

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If only they'd stop bothering the rest of us!

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