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OfflineLothario
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I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow
    #7552743 - 10/23/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

First a friend split 4 grams dry with his friend reporting a mild body with no visuals. I split 4 grams dry with my girlfriend and we had a great time. I wasn't expecting a crazy trip considering I usually dose an eighth or more to get where I want. SO I was satisfied with the potency. However a friend and her boyfriend each consumed 3.5 grams with a similar body high/no visuals experience. Not sure what else to say, this was my first grow and so I guess I'm just bitching. Not really looking for answers because I doubt I'll find them.

I did Magash's rye tek except spawned to coir in an automatic greenhouse with a treasure coast multi-spore. <---- That's probably the problem but it just sucks you know?


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: Lothario]
    #7552782 - 10/23/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Were they totally cracker dry?


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: TripleTree3]
    #7552794 - 10/23/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

How did you dry them. If these people wish to experience a more intense trip have them grind the dry shrooms into powder and eat them on an empty stomach.

Also potency can vary from fuit to fruit maybe your friends just have bad luck.


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: TripleTree3]
    #7552797 - 10/23/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah dehydrated in a nesco. I read all sorts of things related to drying but as far as I can tell the dehydrator should not be a problem. It does run very hot though. I recorded temps as high as 180 F.


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: Lothario]
    #7552816 - 10/23/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You don't get visuals with an 8th usually anyways, do you?


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: Lothario]
    #7552827 - 10/23/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Lothario said:
Yeah dehydrated in a nesco. I read all sorts of things related to drying but as far as I can tell the dehydrator should not be a problem. It does run very hot though. I recorded temps as high as 180 F.




I'm suprised that you have not read that you should not be using high temperatures in drying :smile:

I wouldn't say that it is definitely your problem but more than likely you've neutralized some of the potency using high heat drying.


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7552838 - 10/23/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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You don't get visuals with an 8th usually anyways, do you?




Potency seems to vary so much. afoaf recently harvested their first crop and their fruits were extremely potent. A half eighter sent them into another world with extremely vivid OEV's. But grinding them up should definitely add some intensity(duration would be slightly shorter though).


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7552841 - 10/23/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

An eighth should give you plenty of visuals.


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7552846 - 10/23/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Visions said "You don't get visuals with an 8th usually anyways, do you?"

I have but like I said I usually take more because I was under the impression that I had a high tolerance compared to others who don't usually need as much. Am I wrong?


As far as high temps. I read that the alkaloids don't break down till above 200F or so and that 180F though hot is still ok.


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: Lothario]
    #7552887 - 10/23/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I tell you what, I finally quit worrying about how other people react when they take my shrooms. Some people don't know how to register into a trip (I'm not saying that your friends don't know how). People would take my shrooms and then whine to others that they didn't feel shit. Later I would find out they were at some shitty house party in the hood, drinking beer, ate a pizza before they tripped, combined them with tons of food to hide the taste, puked 35 minutes after they ate them, took a xanax that day, were fighting with their girlfriend on the phone all night, and on and on and on.... Its all about setting and preparation. I like inviting over people that say they need +5 grams of shrooms to trip, give them 2 grams on an empty stomach, provide a ton of good vibes, and watch them trip harder than they ever have before. I used to get so frustrated that people wouldn't trip off my shrooms but I've learned that after I give them away it's all out of my control, it's up to them to have a good trip. Might not apply to your situation but I've been waiting to get that off my chest!!!


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: Lothario]
    #7552892 - 10/23/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I need at least a 1/4:mushroom2: to get noticeable visuals.


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: ChesterCopperpot]
    #7552893 - 10/23/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Oh! Didn't read the part about high temperatures! That could defiantly effect the potency!


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: ChesterCopperpot]
    #7553050 - 10/23/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh! Didn't read the part about high temperatures! That could defiantly effect the potency!




According to the info here

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_chemistry.shtml

Alkaloid melting points are at lowest 173 deg C or 343 deg F way above my dehydrator. I would however, lower it if I could.


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: Lothario]
    #7553247 - 10/23/07 11:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Alkaloids don't have to melt, oxidization also destroys them and heat promotes oxidization. This is why you have to avoid heat.


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7553260 - 10/23/07 11:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I get visuals off of 1/8 but they are pretty mild.


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Re: I\\\\\\\'m disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: ChesterCopperpot]
    #7553281 - 10/23/07 11:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

For one, avoid heat. Regardless of the melting points, I think heat is a big problem in potency. (Reference AlCapwn\'s points he made.)

But to the other issue at hand, I read your post:

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ate a pizza before they tripped, combined them with tons of food to hide the taste, puked 35 minutes after they ate them, took a xanax that day




and wow, I guess some people are just ignorant. Not you of course, but these people you were trying to help. Some of the stuff you mentioned would just contribute to a good/bad trip and not the overall strength. But, these guys, come on. If you puked up the shit before you could even absorb the shrooms, or took a drug that can specifically counteract the trip, what are you doing? These people are not deserving of the help you tried to give them. This stuff is disrespectful, to say the least.


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    #7553289 - 10/23/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7558950 - 10/25/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think I'll fan dry next time and hopefully that will solve the issue. Thanks for all the help and support:thumbup:


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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: Lothario]
    #7558983 - 10/25/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I had some low potency mushrooms the past time also. I can usually take a quarter and I am out of this world. But last time I tripped I had to eat 14 grams to get something equivalent to a little over an 1/8th. With those mushrooms I harvested 3/4lb of one tub but I have to eat so much to get to where I like to be.

Shit this weekend I will probably be trying 3/4 of an ounce. I know it is rediculous, but there is no other way. I was so dissapointed when I took a quarter the first time with these and I hardly even got any visuals. But luckily they are almost gone. Hopefully my next grow will be better.

So far the biggest thing that I have noticed affect potency is the strain. I don't believe it is the actual strain but the sub strains within the print or syringe you are using. I have always dried my mushrooms under a fan in a dark room for a few days and I have never had any potency problems until now. So I have two more tubs coming with that strain then I am back to my old strain.

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Re: I'm disturbed by the reports of low potency from my grow [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7559046 - 10/25/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

that picture of Jebus on the Never Ending Story creature is Fucking Awesome. 5 shrooms to you, sir.


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