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InvisibleDrugFreeMan
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Spawning to Coir...
    #7551810 - 10/23/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm about to spawn pf-tek jars straight to coco coir and will be using this tek

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5909750/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1/nt/2

I'm currently boiling about 2 gallons of water that I will be using to soak that coir.

My question is about sterilization. This tek doesn't say much about it and I was wondering just how careful you have to be with this process. All my jars look good and I have cleaned all the containers that I will be using as well as boiling the water. I will let the water cool before putting it with the coir then will directly mix the coir with the jars. Do I simply mix the coir and broken up pf jars together to make an even mix?

Is there anything else that i should know before continuing?


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: DrugFreeMan]
    #7552859 - 10/23/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My favorite way to prepare coir is to pour boiling water directly on it according to the package directions. The room temperature of the coir brings the overall temperature down to about 175F give or take.

I actually pasteurize mine in a garbage bag and put it in one of those cheap styrofoam cooler. This keeps the temperature around 140-175 for a good two hours.

Good luck


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: theratatat]
    #7552888 - 10/23/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The Ratatat has a real good ideal. I would personaly use his idea next time I prep my coir. I microwaved mine last time.

His way sounds way better.

Coir ROCKS!


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: theratatat]
    #7552904 - 10/23/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I personally bag my bulk substrate, (whatever it my be, coir, poo, or any combination of coir, poo, coffee, straw, etc.etc.) into 5 lb bags. I then pasteurize them either in the oven or boiling water for about 2 to 3 hours at around 175. Let them naturally cool down and your good to go.


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7553740 - 10/24/07 05:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I hydrate the coir out of brick form using a bucket and slowly adding boiling/nearly boiling water acording to the directions on the brick - although I tend to use about 25% less water on average - until it's all been expanded properly.

I then allow it to drain and dry as much as possible for a day until the coir is very nearly dry. Working with dry components when amending substrates with gypsum, coffee grounds, etc. is always infinitely easier when everything you're working with is dry. For coir, that means a little extra leg-work.

My sig below contains a link to precisely how I use coir, if you're interested...


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- How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates
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- How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: mycocurious]
    #7554154 - 10/24/07 08:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No need to pasturize coir :smile:



^^^ Coffee soaked coir


and below is regular un-pasturized coir




These are pic's from a experimentation growlog :smile: But either way both were left un-pasturized and ive spawned to coir many times without pasturizing, why waste your time?


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: Pr0_X]
    #7554350 - 10/24/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have also not pasteurized my coir and it did fine as well. So PrO X is right as well.

It's up to you if you really want to pasteurize it you can. You really don't have to. Just keep all your casings away from everything else that can possibly contaminate it and your good.


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: eleven34]
    #7554459 - 10/24/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The necessity of pasteurization is like anything else in the process... Sure, you could get away with not doing it, but can you see what bacteria or mold is in your air? Are you willing to take a gamble? Are your methods that sterile?

Coir's good shit, but I can find a couple threads in which it got contaminated just like anything else.


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7557453 - 10/24/07 10:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

When waiting for the bulk to colonize is it necessary to add water or spray?


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: DrugFreeMan]
    #7557522 - 10/24/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Not if the bulk substrate was at Field Capacity from the very beginning. Make sure you cover tightly and don't be peeking too much. Leave it alone for 3 to 4 days and then take a look.


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7557804 - 10/25/07 01:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so you guys are talking about spawning to pure coir? Im confused. I am under the impression that Hpoo is more productive (for cubes at least) and that coir is a good top layer?


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: antiPock]
    #7557865 - 10/25/07 03:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Coir is a wonderful bulk substrate when hpoo is not available. Hell, some members even prefer it to hpoo. I've done both ( and I pasturize both ). Hpoo gives bigger fruits and multiple flushes, where I find coir to give great 1st flushes and so-so on next flushes.

This is 60% coir/ 30% coffee/ 5% poultry manure/ 3% gypsum/2% limes/ qtr cup vegatable oil.



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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: antiPock]
    #7558084 - 10/25/07 06:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

antiPock said:
so you guys are talking about spawning to pure coir? Im confused. I am under the impression that Hpoo is more productive (for cubes at least) and that coir is a good top layer?




We're talking about substrates here. A year or two ago people thought coco-coir was non-nutritious and would only make a good casing layer, however as many found out coco-coir is very++ nutritious itself and makes a horrible casing layer as such.

As a substrate coco-coir, unamended, will only give you two or three solid flushes where as h/poo would give you 3-5 flushes. However, with the addition of used coffee grounds and a little vermiculite you can have three or four good flushes with coco coir and never have to deal with any crap whatsoever.

Personally, other than compost, it's my favorite substrate of choice.


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- How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates
- How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier
- How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Spawning to Coir... [Re: eleven34]
    #7558087 - 10/25/07 06:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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eleven34 said:
I have also not pasteurized my coir and it did fine as well. So PrO_X is right as well.




Most coco-coir you're going to buy at the store is going to be treated with trich (different kind) to help prevent it from contaminating when used in hydroponic systems. And if you hydrated your coco-coir with nearly boiling water you might be able to get away without pasteurizing it.

However, since you're working with coco-coir you'll likely be amending it with used coffee grounds, which are notoriously contaminated, and because I typically recommend allowing your coco-coir to drain and dry as much as possible over a 24 hour period before adding the gypsum and coffee grounds so they'll mix in more thoroughly with your coir...you'll also likely pick up a couple contaminates in that process as well so pasteurizing it becomes a necessity...

(run on sentence hell)


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:justdontknow: Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude.  I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected...

- How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates
- How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier
- How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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