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Questions about the Food Pyramid
    #7549770 - 10/23/07 01:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

1. What is the healthiest item for each section?. (I know there might not be a silver bullet for every section but whether its a matter of deciding what to pick first or money restraints its good to know.) For fruits I know the kiwi is suppose to have the most of everything (according to Daily Planet, a show on Discovery Channel)

2. Is there anything about the food pyramid you disagree with?.





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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: bumble]
    #7552628 - 10/23/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I dont acknowledge any pyramid without a psychedelics section. :discodance:


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: bumble]
    #7552840 - 10/23/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

perhaps they would fall under seasonings.

I dont agree with that pyramid. I'd cut it off @ seasonings and healthy fats, and put leguems at the very top


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: bumble]
    #7558731 - 10/25/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think I could eat eggs everyday.

If you are looking to create a diet consisting of one thing from every group, be careful with the seafood group and pick something with low mercury.


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: bumble]
    #7561153 - 10/25/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

food pyramids in general are just plain dumb, and there really isn't any sort of remarkable scienced involved.



Food pyramids themselves were originally designed as marketing tools for the meat and dairy industry to encourage the consumption of their products.

If you want to eat healthy, the key is simply incorporating more fresh root and fiberous vegetables to your meal than normal, and to cut down on high cholesterol foods such as shellfish, dark meat, and various kinds of nuts.

Another key to healthy eating, put in simple terms, is the rate at which you eat. It's definitely more healthfull to be eating small portions of food throughout the course of the day rather than eating one or two very large meals. Maintaining an efficient metabolism is beneficial to your body in uncountable ways.


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7562509 - 10/26/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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cut down on high cholesterol foods such as shellfish, dark meat, and various kinds of nuts.





1. Dietary cholesterol does not impact human cholesterol levels. We manufacture cholesterol from saturated fat, thus it is our intake of saturated fats which must be restricted in order to lower our LDL cholesterol levels. Many high-cholesterol foods are also high in saturated fats, but this is not true of shellfish and dark meat poultry (most of the saturated fat is in the skin, not the meat).

2. Only animal-based products contain cholesterol. Thus all plants are naturally cholesterol free, including nuts. In fact, a recent study found that eating nuts daily reduces blood cholesterol levels.


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: Veritas]
    #7563119 - 10/26/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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1. Dietary cholesterol does not impact human cholesterol levels. We manufacture cholesterol from saturated fat, thus it is our intake of saturated fats which must be restricted in order to lower our LDL cholesterol levels.




Uhhhh....dietary cholesterol is absorbed in the intestines, even though 2/3rds of it is excreted.

The American Heart Association recommends that you limit your average daily cholesterol intake to less than 300 milligrams. If you have heart disease, limit your daily intake to less than 200 milligrams.

Increasing dietary cholesterol intake from the usual 200-600 mg's per day has been shown to increase blood cholesterol levels, although the impact varies from individuals.


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7563236 - 10/26/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't recommend cutting down on certain nuts, such as Almonds.  Almonds are key :cheers:


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: skydog]
    #7563281 - 10/26/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah i was wrong about the nuts


they're high in fat content, but it's "good" fat, helps lowere LDL's,.


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7563483 - 10/26/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

heh, just coincidence I happen to eat like 40+ almonds today, hopefully I wont get stomach ache


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7563721 - 10/26/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Outdated info, I'm afraid. :shrug:

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While it is well known that high blood cholesterol levels are associated with an increased risk for heart disease, scientific studies have shown that there is only a weak relationship between the amount of cholesterol a person consumes and their blood cholesterol levels or risk for heart disease. For some people with high cholesterol, reducing the amount of cholesterol in the diet has a small but helpful impact on blood cholesterol levels. For others, the amount of cholesterol eaten has little impact on the amount of cholesterol circulating in the blood.

In a study of over 80,000 female nurses, Harvard researchers actually found that increasing cholesterol intake by 200 mg for every 1000 calories in the diet (about an egg a day) did not appreciably increase the risk for heart disease.(5)
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html




The real issue is that high cholesterol foods are nearly always high in saturated fat, as well.  This is why a balanced vegan diet promotes optimum cardiovascular health--no saturated fat!  :smile:

Trans-fats are really bad--they lower good cholesterol and raise bad cholesterol.  :thumbdown:


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: Veritas]
    #7564098 - 10/26/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Outdated info?


This was a policy release THIS YEAR by the AHA.

You're not realizing that the study you posted pretty much repeats alot of my post.

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For some people with high cholesterol, reducing the amount of cholesterol in the diet has a small but helpful impact on blood cholesterol levels. For others, the amount of cholesterol eaten has little impact on the amount of cholesterol circulating in the blood.




when i said....

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Increasing dietary cholesterol intake from the usual 200-600 mg's per day has been shown to increase blood cholesterol levels, although the impact varies from individuals.





It's pretty much scientific fact that your body has the digestive mechanisms to absorb and utilize dietary cholesterol in the body.

The study you posted addresses cholesterol intake with heart disease, which is valid, but the bottom line is, your body DOES absorb dietary cholesterol and utilizes it as such.


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7564247 - 10/26/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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scientific studies have shown that there is only a weak relationship between the amount of cholesterol a person consumes and their blood cholesterol levels




The trouble with studies that claim a causal link between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol levels is that humans do not consume cholesterol in the absence of saturated fat.  Therefore, it is nearly impossible to discern whether the effect is from the saturated fat or from the dietary cholesterol which usually accompanies saturated fat.  However, studies which remove this variable have shown "a weak relationship" between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol levels.

The AHA policy release is based on outdated info.  :shrug:  The human body does not make cholesterol from cholesterol.


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Re: Questions about the Food Pyramid [Re: Veritas]
    #7565282 - 10/26/07 11:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The absorption mechanisms for cholesterol have been known to be very inefficient, and intake varies from individual to individual.

Even genetic influences determine the ability to intake dietary cholesterol.

But the ability for your body to absorb cholesterol exists. It's how your body reabsorbs digestive bile micelles. It incorporates the hydrolized form of cholesterol into the lipid absorption.

There are drugs out there which are specifically designed to block cholesterol absorption. Like Benecol and other supplemented plant sterols.


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