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#754884 - 07/17/02 09:18 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I imagine they must be pretty good as alot of people here drop the name whenever music is mentioned, plus with all the alex grey accompanied art...I'm curious.
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tool is great. its rock/metal. just listen to it
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#754930 - 07/17/02 09:55 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not sure how you could classify Tool.. but it's definitely not ordinary metal. I would hate to listen to metal while tripping, but Tool's great.. it's so polished, the vocals are so clear, the lyrics are beautiful, the guitar is gutsy, wicked beats..
I stick to the later stuff, Aenima and Lateralus. Give it a try.
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Tool is Tool, that's all I can say. 
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It sounds like an incredibly dark edged opium experience, just listen to it, it will blow your mind
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Tool is one of those awesome bands that defies classification because nobody sounds anything like them. They are a heavy but articulate progressive rock band. Their earlier stuff is more metally but really "metal" is the wrong word for Tool. Most of their songs reach a climax of sound and emotion, known as a "Toolgasm". Last saturday I was Toolgasming all over the place listening to The Grudge off Lateralus whilst on mushrooms. Their music is very hallucinogenic, but less amorphous than, say, Pink Floyd. And Maynard James Keenan's voice is just supernatural, I don't know how he does it. They also have the single best drummer in the world. Very tribal at times.
I'd recommend you go out and buy Aenima right now. Put down your mouse and go. If you like it, then buy Lateralus and Undertow, and if you really like Undertow buy Opiate. Like somebody else said, I don't like metal on mushrooms but I'd always listen to Tool.
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: WhiskeyClone] 1
#755193 - 07/18/02 03:43 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well that settles it then, I'm really curious now. Next cd purchase will be Tool. 
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Never hear Tool!?!? Ooo OAOaaohj oafj Go get it! Now run hurry
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: nezshoo] 1
#755276 - 07/18/02 04:35 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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it should almost be considered a crime not to have at least one tool album in everyones collection. I've listened to them more than once while tripping.
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: BlueBus] 1
#755288 - 07/18/02 04:41 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I fucking love Tool! I've heard them called "art rock" before, but I also dont know what I'd call them. They are just excellent. They are one of my favorite bands.
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In reply to:
Well that settles it then, I'm really curious now. Next cd purchase will be Tool.
I wish I could listen to Aenima for the first time again. Blew my fricking mind. Also, do WHATEVER YOU CAN to see some of Tool's videos. Fucking crazy! Their guitarist does them, and they're these ultra-dark stop-motion hallucinogenic experiences. Their latest, Parabola, is ten minutes long and it's just mad. Go to toolshed.down.net and look for their videos. Look for the best quality video that you can find. I'd love to see one of them while tripping. A buddy of mine was introduced to Tool by watching the video for Sober while on LSD.
But yeah buy Aenima. Just the artwork in the liner notes is awesome.
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tool will blow your mind , if you listen to the music ,it takes you to a higher place, tool has no equal in todays music , zepplin and the doors is what tools music is like. 
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#756667 - 07/18/02 02:57 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've heard Tool called 'progressive metal' a lot and I'd agree with that.
Has anyone hear heard Opeth? They're a Swedish prog metal band. If anyone likes the heavier metal bands but wants something they could trip to they should defitnetly check them out. In all their songs/album they contrast between heavy and mellow but Morningrise would be their mellowest album, My Arms Your Hearse, the heaviest. Next year(I think, might be at the end of this year) they're releasing two albums within a month or two of eath other, one will be very mellow and the other will be their heaviest. They've made some of the most bueatiful music I've heard.
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#756957 - 07/18/02 05:04 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've never been able to clasify Tool either. I always considered them more like Industrial Rock than Metal but more lyricaly driven than most industrial. Love them! They can make being stoned feel trippy if you listen on headsets. Is there a dvd with their videos for sale? I would love that!
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#757038 - 07/18/02 05:30 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm hoping for a live DVD soon, I think it's a possibility. The only other DVD is the Salival DVD with all their music vids on it.
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: World Spirit] 1
#758308 - 07/19/02 05:47 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Noone in this forum will agree with me, I'm sure. But from a very obvious viewpoint, they are clearly on a mission to blaspheme and get an audience to hate Jesus Christ. Again, I realize this will sound like nonsense to the majority, but as usual, I'm talking to a very small minority.
Well you're right; I doubt anyone will agree with you. The Tool-hates-christ thing has been discussed to death in more Tool-specific forums (ie alt.music.tool). It is VERY clear to anyone who knows anything about the members of that band that they have no anti-religious agenda at all. Some of their songs (Opiate) mock religious 'sheep.' Sheep as in those who never question their beliefs. Being a Christian is not necessarily being a sheep. I doubt you think of yourself as one.
Tool has never ever been a proponent of hate against anything or anyone. Their only 'message' has been to think for yourself, and assume nothing. You obviously have no idea who the people who comprise Tool are, and I hope nobody blindly believes your statements. Go to toolshed.down.net and read some articles if you want to educate yourself on the subject of Tool and its members.
Actually I would like to go a bit further and strike down some more Tool myths:
- Tool does not kill children and drink their blood.
- Tool does not hate religion.
- The members of Tool are not homosexual and have no unhealthy infatuation with the anal cavity.
- The members of Tool do not worship Satan. They are not evil. They are not Nazis.
- Maynard James Keenan is not dying of AIDS or cancer.
- Maynard James Keenan does not really have breasts.
- Tool has no agenda behind their music other than sharing it with their fans.
- Tool is not humourless or deadly serious. They are fond of practical jokes.
If I have not convinced you that Tool is not out to undermine your religion, then perhaps you will go to http://toolshed.down.net/ and find out for yourself. It sounds to me, though, that you don't really care about the truth. I have read your posts and I know that you are an intelligent person, so I'm sure that enlightening yourself with actual facts about Tool would be a delightful, educational experience. Just out of curiousity, what other music do you find blasphemous? Are you a NIN fan?
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: World Spirit] 1
#758698 - 07/19/02 08:23 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a lot of blasphemous stuff out there, and one would be very ignorant or foolish to disagree with that statement. My point will obviously not make sense to you because you are not a believer. You are a nay-sayer, but a friendly and polite one I will add. I have no ill feelings toward you, so excuse my intensity and arrogance with this issue. I know that I know that I know. Nuf said.
I guess to me the word blasphemous just means in violation of the tenets of a religion. So I suppose by that definition they are 'blasphemous' (the name of Jesus is used in ways the Bible says it should not be) but that means I am too, because I sing along to Judith. I can say or type the F word and Jesus in the same sentence but that doesn't mean I hate anything. I have no hate. I think words are ultimately meaningless and are given too much respect. But you must understand that 'blasphemous' lyrics doesn't mean they hate Christ and are out to make others hate. I hope you still don't believe that. Even blatantly nasty lyrics are often metaphorical, especially Tool's. (ie Stinkfist is NOT about fist-fucking). But all I can do is urge you to question your belief that Tool preaches hate of any kind because I know for a fact that it is not true.
BTW I agree with you about Trent Reznor's music versus his lyrics. The Downward Spiral is one of my favourite CDs but the lyrics sound like they were written by a ten-year old pissed off at his parents.
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#762298 - 07/20/02 12:59 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enter,
I agree, there is some blasphemous things about Tool. Atleast that is if that is what you choose to derive from the lyrics. Thought they might not encourage you to denounce organised religon they do prompt you to think for yourself, and question authority. All of which in the perspective of most religious individuals is blasphemous because at the end of the day thinking for yourself and questioning authority will lead to you probably realising that you don't believe in religon, or atleast any "man created" religon. Whether that be because ole' satan is extremely talented at misdirection or because it just isn't true is up to each and every individual.
Anybody who avoids Tool because they are afraid of the suggestions it poses is WEAK and should avoid it, if you truly have FAITH why would you question something to which you are generally blindly believing in (and most of faith is after all a blind belief). You could blame every single misbelief, contradictory ''fact', opinion etc on Satan.
Religious individuals use the term 'demons' to describe thought that does not conform to their standards, I don't know about that. If you read their newsletter and general news (at toolband.com/news) you will realise that they are heavily interested in occult science..
That being said I love Tool and there is no better band out there now in my books, other bands can write amazing stuff that will entertain me but I have never been to a more amazing life performance that has silenced even the drunks that came to fight. They are the floyd of the whatever the hell you call this decade and 90's, their stage show is evolving and may one day be as breathtaking as Pulse was (they are pretty close, perhaps lighting is the last thing they need to pioneer).
Anyway, if you check their news site you will discover that prospectively the tenth planet of our solar system will hit earth next year killing maybe 50% of the worlds population. So break out the bible and repent!
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#762688 - 07/20/02 04:13 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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what are some of Tool's best songs? Im looking on kazaa theres too many to choose from.
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Hmmm, The Patient, Schism, Ticks and Leeches, Parabol/Parabola, Disposition, Reflection. Pretty much the entire Lateralus album rules. Other albums, Third Eye, Aenema, Stinkfist, 46 and 2, Pushit, Sober, Jerk Off, Sweat, Opiate, Bottom, Swamp Song.
If you want my opinion, just download the whole of Lateralus and then test it out, from the first song right to the end. It's quite a ride. 
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Hello..
Thought I might drop you a line, I'm not incredibly interested in getting into a long exchange of theoretical views but I thought I might try to help you understand what I meant earlier - I tried to come off as not unfriendly to the christian faith but clearly you have chosen to interpret what I said differently to how I wished it to be perceived.
Actually I am sincere friends with a few christians and have known many, some of them think for themselves which is positive but a lot of them appear to be sheep, perhaps my cynicism of these type of people showed through in my last posting. It is the constant bombardment of closed-mindedness that truly holds me back from being a true believer. I once was a true believer but I have found it hard to accept some of the concepts that people have attempted to force upon me. Fortunately I have known a few very good christians lately who have truly helped me to understand that there are a group of people who do think for themselves. The common thread in those who denounce tool is that they all are quick to denounce it because its different to their standard set of beliefs. Would you walk away from a theoretical discussion with a buddhist because he said something that you didn't believe in? - there is no reason to avoid music because of its origins.
I guess I find it quite strange that you should say this to me because its actually you who have gotten it completely wrong, I have been around the christian faith for a long time. I don't however believe in the way a lot of christians blindly believe. I listen to Tool and have my own ideas about the nature of the lyrics, I
Perhaps you are referring to my statement that faith is essentially blind belief. Well.. if you think about it almost all faith is blind belief. I did not suggest that christians were a: wrong, b: stupid for believing either. I actually respect the concept of faith because it takes a lot of guts to stand up for something you believe in when people/stimuli is constantly looking to suggest otherwise.
I don't know what you're talking about tool feeding their ego's. I feel perhaps you are misunderstanding them. If you ever went to a concert of theirs you might understand that they are just four guys and whilst they might give off the idea that they are very elitist most of the time when they are on stage you will realise that they are merely protecting themselves from the naysayers. I don't think I've ever seen a more powerfully positive group of guys. How can you say that the message 'I want each and every one of you to take this experience and create something positive with the feeling you have received tonight' to be arrogance.
Anyway, thanks for listening
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Tool for Beginners:
Stinkfist, Sober, Schism, Parabola, 46 & 2, Hooker With a Penis
Tool for the Experienced:
The Grudge, Eulogy, Flood, H
Tool for the Advanced listener:
Disgustipated, Third Eye, Disposition-Reflection-Triad, Pushit, Caesaro Summability
I'm just kidding anyone can listen to any Tool. But some songs are really harder to get into if you've never heard much Tool.
Go to Kazaa and get Stinkfist and Hooker with a Penis or 46&2.. Actually I think everyone will tell you that it's all good. Get Stinkfist first... it was my introduction to Tool.
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Tool/A Perfect Circle are a very well drawn out, strategic group of musicians who know exactly what they're doing. They're getting their kicks and they are doing it pretty well, considering they know they're going to pay dearly for it.
Perhaps they think Christianity is a religion of which they are not members. Perhaps they would like to exercise their freedom of speech in spite of those who think they are pathetic and shallow. Perhaps they don't care if somebody on the shroomery is convinced they are hatemongering hellbound blasphemes. They probably also don't care their actions violate rules you have imposed upon yourself. They probably believe a different version of the facts than you do. I just don't understand the resentment you have towards someone else doing their own thing. Are you starting to see why they (and I for that matter) make fun of religion? I'm just calling a spade a spade too. Don't worry about people badmouthing Jesus. I'm pretty sure he's above resenting people for petty comments they make. He can take care of himself.
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I wonder how any one person can determine what any other person's or group of people's "true" nature is.
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I thought that none but god can know the heart of a man.
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Tool = the greatest band ever IMO
Maynard = the greatest song writer ever IMO
Pushit = the greatest Tool song ever IMO
I believe they have their own religion, yet Maynard did thank Satan at the....was it the MTV video awards? Something like that, I seen it.
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: World Spirit]
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Fortunately enter, Hell is a lie. Also fortunately, Tool has no desire to make anyone hate Christianity, or any religion, only to share their music, and maybe get someone to question their beliefs to further them. And if this Christian interpretation of God is even half true, they wont need to pay for anything, as this God would know their true beliefs.. (Christianity isnt a bad thing, being blindly faithful with no questioning of anything and sucking down every fucking thing 'they' tell you without a second thought, is.)
They dont hate anyone, they dont want anyone to hate anything, just to express their thoughts/feelings, and maybe inspire someone to widen their beliefs and think for themselves.
They certainly never made ME hate Jesus/Christianity, exactly the opposite in fact.
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I don't think Tool's lyrics are meant to be preaching to their fans and tryign to get them to live their lfie a different way or anything , it's just their thoughts, or maybe they just want to shock people/make msuic that will shock peoples parents, just some rebellion, thats the main point satanisim, rebellion and freedom. There are many so called underground Satanic bands and I'd find it hard to belive that even a third of the members to actuly belive in it. (You don't know the meaning of blasphemous untill you've had the misfortune of reading bands like Marduk's lyrics.)
Tool don't like conformity and having organised relgion which could quiet possible be intereputed wrongly intereputly thanks to ignorant past society, shoved down their necks from birth.
I think the song about the relgious sheep is about all the people in the world who only 'belive' because their Parents sent them to church from when they were a kid and they dont lead a Christian life at all. Almost everyone in my area is relgious and goes to church regularly but I can only think of few that could be considered serious. I hope u get what i mean by that. By serious I don't mean faith.
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If Tool are going to Hell, I'm going with them to fucking party.
I have nothing against you enter, but I think what you have said is complete bullshit. Tool is positive music, and I can vouch for that. Demonic? Pffft, hardly. This is a band that doesn't take anything seriously and will test your faith in anything to get you to think for yourself. Why does it bother you so much that they don't believe in your religion? If you've ever actually heard Lateralus, you'd find that it's a very powerful and positive album.
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: pleezr]
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Listen to THIRD EYE on a lot of LSD, and you will come as close to understanding Tool as humanly possible.
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: World Spirit]
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That's not a parallel argument. I'm badmouthing a band for who they truly are.
No you aren't. It's obvious to every Tool fan here you don't know who they really are or what they stand for.
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WhiskeyClone
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Listen to THIRD EYE on a lot of LSD, and you will come as close to understanding Tool as humanly possible.
Amen.
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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man. For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire. Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.
~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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mile69
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: World Spirit]
#768235 - 07/22/02 03:55 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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im not trying to disagree wit the whole tool hates christ thing....but he said himself that he doesnt like organizedreligion. its the whole middle man argument. that therew always middle man looking for your credit card number. he thinks that their are truths in most religions...you just have to be able to ead between the lines. most people that i know will some what agree with you...and i defenately see what youre getting at. but they are an awesome band.
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dragonia
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: mile69]
#769394 - 07/23/02 02:01 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maynard:
"My views against Christianity or religion in general are
directed towards the 'middle men'-those who are in power
and use religion as a market force by which to manipulate
human beings for their own personal gain."
http://toolshed.down.net/articles/text/ontarion.nov.2001.html
Maynard:
"People that assume that we're hateful don't understand
that hate and anger are 2 completely separate energies.
They might have a similar emotional charge to them but
anger is a much more constructive emotion then hate, and
that's what we're all about: the anger. Not all our music, I'm
just saying that particular element that people see in it, the
aggressive nature, the emotional or angry nature of it. And in
conjunction with the more compassionate stuff. There's a lot
of light at the end of the tunnel in our music but you have to
make an effort to purge yourself through the music to see it."
http://toolshed.down.net/articles/text/muchmusicspot.aug.2001.html
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Roger_irrelevant
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 Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: dragonia]
#769937 - 07/23/02 08:21 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has been my experience that believers or followers (whatever) of monotheastic religions ie christianity and islam seem overly critical and judgmental of other religions and philosophies. I 'm buddhist (or try to be) when I let this little fact slip to a few christians (friends and family) talk of false gods, worshipped idols and delusion were abound. On a side note I have a book out from the library called The problem of self in Buddhism and Christianity, written be a christian (Lynn A.desilva) it should be a good read.Oh Still haven't heard any tool 
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Damn
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tool rocks the casba, but i woudlnt trip to it, bt thats just me
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utopianglory
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: World Spirit]
#772121 - 07/24/02 01:06 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enter,
I have little else to say about your opinion of the members of Tool and APC. Atleast your opinion is based on what you believe and not what you have been told to believe by somebody else. I guess my only point I will make here is that I find it somewhat disgusting that a christian, once they have denounced people will then go on to basically project a modicum of hate towards these people with tyrannic statements of the doom that awaits their demonic souls.
The reason you sound arrogant as hell as you are projecting a hateful opinion of a bunch of guys who are in a band, not much more. Every tool fan knows that they are involved/interested in research of things that could be considered in line with the occult (not that that is the only thing they are interested in). So it would be logical to assume that they don't believe in Christianity but draw the line there, they have said countless times that do not wish to make people disbelieve in this or that. Its a shame that people like you have to act so hostile towards people who don't believe in your religon because it doesn't reflect well for those who might be considering a career in christianity.
I *could* believe in christianity and I have certainly been there for a long time now. I just find it hard to committ to a religon with so much hate, so much corruption and so much doom on people who have been born in another country and have never even heard the word christian. How scary is that? that you can be born in another country and spend eternity in hell because you never heard the name Jesus Christ.
This of course goes beyond the topic at hand.
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World Spirit
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 Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: utopianglory]
#772662 - 07/24/02 07:56 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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utopianglory
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: World Spirit]
#774908 - 07/25/02 03:30 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read the link. Maybe I can't interpret it as you do so perhaps you can help me to understand how this relates to those who will go to hell because they have never heard that jesus christ died for their sins.
I understand the verses meaning in terms of god allowing himself to people but I'm not sure how that relates to what I said.
I really should read the bible one day, and we really should take this to PM. If you wish to further discuss this, please, by all means do PM me.
Thanks..
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