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 mile69
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 Re: What kind of music is Tool?  [Re: World Spirit]
#768235 - 07/22/02 03:55 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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im not trying to disagree wit the whole tool hates christ thing....but he said himself that he doesnt like organizedreligion. its the whole middle man argument. that therew always middle man looking for your credit card number. he thinks that their are truths in most religions...you just have to be able to ead between the lines. most people that i know will some what agree with you...and i defenately see what youre getting at. but they are an awesome band.
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dragonia
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: mile69]
#769394 - 07/23/02 02:01 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maynard:
"My views against Christianity or religion in general are
directed towards the 'middle men'-those who are in power
and use religion as a market force by which to manipulate
human beings for their own personal gain."
http://toolshed.down.net/articles/text/ontarion.nov.2001.html
Maynard:
"People that assume that we're hateful don't understand
that hate and anger are 2 completely separate energies.
They might have a similar emotional charge to them but
anger is a much more constructive emotion then hate, and
that's what we're all about: the anger. Not all our music, I'm
just saying that particular element that people see in it, the
aggressive nature, the emotional or angry nature of it. And in
conjunction with the more compassionate stuff. There's a lot
of light at the end of the tunnel in our music but you have to
make an effort to purge yourself through the music to see it."
http://toolshed.down.net/articles/text/muchmusicspot.aug.2001.html
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Roger_irrelevant
War's boring,change thechannel!
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 Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: dragonia]
#769937 - 07/23/02 08:21 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has been my experience that believers or followers (whatever) of monotheastic religions ie christianity and islam seem overly critical and judgmental of other religions and philosophies. I 'm buddhist (or try to be) when I let this little fact slip to a few christians (friends and family) talk of false gods, worshipped idols and delusion were abound. On a side note I have a book out from the library called The problem of self in Buddhism and Christianity, written be a christian (Lynn A.desilva) it should be a good read.Oh Still haven't heard any tool 
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Damn
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Registered: 07/23/02
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tool rocks the casba, but i woudlnt trip to it, bt thats just me
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 utopianglory
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Registered: 07/20/02
Posts: 965
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: World Spirit]
#772121 - 07/24/02 01:06 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enter,
I have little else to say about your opinion of the members of Tool and APC. Atleast your opinion is based on what you believe and not what you have been told to believe by somebody else. I guess my only point I will make here is that I find it somewhat disgusting that a christian, once they have denounced people will then go on to basically project a modicum of hate towards these people with tyrannic statements of the doom that awaits their demonic souls.
The reason you sound arrogant as hell as you are projecting a hateful opinion of a bunch of guys who are in a band, not much more. Every tool fan knows that they are involved/interested in research of things that could be considered in line with the occult (not that that is the only thing they are interested in). So it would be logical to assume that they don't believe in Christianity but draw the line there, they have said countless times that do not wish to make people disbelieve in this or that. Its a shame that people like you have to act so hostile towards people who don't believe in your religon because it doesn't reflect well for those who might be considering a career in christianity.
I *could* believe in christianity and I have certainly been there for a long time now. I just find it hard to committ to a religon with so much hate, so much corruption and so much doom on people who have been born in another country and have never even heard the word christian. How scary is that? that you can be born in another country and spend eternity in hell because you never heard the name Jesus Christ.
This of course goes beyond the topic at hand.
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World Spirit
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Registered: 07/27/01
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 Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: utopianglory]
#772662 - 07/24/02 07:56 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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utopianglory
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Re: What kind of music is Tool? [Re: World Spirit]
#774908 - 07/25/02 03:30 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read the link. Maybe I can't interpret it as you do so perhaps you can help me to understand how this relates to those who will go to hell because they have never heard that jesus christ died for their sins.
I understand the verses meaning in terms of god allowing himself to people but I'm not sure how that relates to what I said.
I really should read the bible one day, and we really should take this to PM. If you wish to further discuss this, please, by all means do PM me.
Thanks..
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