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A heads up to the Bay area hunters.
    #7548796 - 10/22/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe sticky?!


Ok, so far this year out of all the times i have gone hunting i have found  at least 20 of these rodent pesticide containers spread through out many of the landscaping beds i have frequented.

Along with them i noticed a dead fox, a jack rabbit, multiple dead raccons, and a possom.

At work today i noticed one of the death things in the courtyard and talked to my boss.

Apparently its this new rodent control thing they have that basically poisens any rodent that comes into contact with it and gives them a one hour window before they die to get away so that people dont have to dael with te cleanup.


Obviously in that 1 hour window these rodents have time to contaminate the surrounding area.

SO, everyone who hunts in the Bay Area BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THES DEATH TRAPS.

Ill try to google a pic if i cant find one ill have field pic up tomarrow.

This is a very new thing.:sad:


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: sui]
    #7548830 - 10/22/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)




heres the basic design, its a little different but basically the same thing, ill post some real pics tomarrow.


Alan Rockefellor actually was with me when we found like 10 while hunting.


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: sui]
    #7548836 - 10/22/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> SO, everyone who hunts in the Bay Area BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THES DEATH TRAPS.


What should we do when we find them?

I guess the real question is

What is the phone number of the person who is shelling out the cash to buy these things?

Call them up and let them know you are seeing dead foxes and predators, and that no one really wants rats around but that is seriously uncool to kill foxes and anything up the food chain, since you saw dead foxes it must also be getting owls, hawks, and eagles.

You could always sic OTD on them, throw them away or clog them with tennis balls rendering them inert.


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7548856 - 10/22/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well remember the locals you found them and COMPLAIN!

That shit is contaminating your hunting grounds. If you dont think that is seerpnig ito the ground and into your mushrooms than its crazy.


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: sui]
    #7548869 - 10/22/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> If you dont think that is seerpnig ito the ground and into your mushrooms than its crazy.

Which toxin are we talking about here?


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7548983 - 10/22/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

THAT IS HORRIBLY FUCKED UP... PEST AND RODENT CONTROL? MABY WE SHOULD STOP DESTROYING THE EARTH WITH OUR CONSUMATION OF USELESS CRAP SO EVERYBODY CAN HAVE A TV IN EVERY ROOM OF THEIR HOUSE.... I CANT EVEN BELIVE THEY WOULD KILL ANIMALS LIKE THAT WHAT HTE FUCK??? IF ITS TAHT BAD WE NEED TO START KILLING HUMANS... WE DESTROY MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE THEN A FOX OR A POSSOM.


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: elflord420]
    #7549941 - 10/23/07 04:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

baiting is just evil.


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: sui]
    #7549949 - 10/23/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i bet the fox killed more redents than the rodent trap ever did, considering that rats, mice, hare, voles, etc are a staple food they can't live without, unless there is a good supply of unwary stray cats. seems like they should just import foxes.

i would seriously make a complaint. not likely to help, but it couldn't hurt. maybe we could get those anth students to put it into their documentary...


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: canid]
    #7550247 - 10/23/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

bad stuff, any idea what the poison inside them is?


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7550343 - 10/23/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

try to get a photo next time. Name, numbers, anything to help find out who makes it


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: auweia]
    #7550425 - 10/23/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what is the big deal with the traps? What are you guys worried about?


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: tahoe]
    #7550437 - 10/23/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i think you otta be more concerned with the bum scat that plagues the bay area


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: tahoe]
    #7551007 - 10/23/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

tahoe said:
i think you otta be more concerned with the bum scat that plagues the bay area





LOL


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: tahoe]
    #7551055 - 10/23/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This is the bait that is recommended for use in these box style traps:

http://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/contrac-blox-rodenticide-p-80.html
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Contrac Blox Rodenticide

Contrac All-weather Blox Rodenticide is a multi-edged, single feeding Rat and Mouse bait. It is formulated with an optimal blend of food grade ingredients and low wax to yield a highly palatable, weatherable bait that is very attractive to rodents. Secondary poisoning is very minimal with Contrac and an antidote to the poison (vitamin K1) is readily available. We recommend placing the blox in bait stations to protect the bait from non-target animals such as dogs and cats.


Active Ingredient: Bromadiolone .005%

Target pests: rodents

Pet safe: Contrac is LESS toxic to non-target animals in both primary and secondary poisoning situations than other single-feeding baits. An antidote, Vitamin K1 is readily available and there is a time factor for treatment.

Yield: approx. 64 - 2 X 3/4 inch blox per bucket

DESCRIPTION: Contrac® All-weather Blox® Rodenticide is a multi-edged, single feeding Rat and Mouse bait. It is formulated with an optimal blend of food grade ingredients and low wax to yield a highly palatable, weatherable bait that is very attractive to rodents. Contrac® All-weather Blox® contains Bromadiolone, which is less toxic to non-target animals in primary and secondary poisoning.

USE: Baits are small 1 oz. size and can be placed in bait stations, in holes and burrows, or where mice and rats tend to travel.

NOT FOR SALE IN: AK

Ready-to-use CONTRAC BLOX bait pieces feature a patented multi-edge design that gives rodents plenty of gnawing edges per piece. The 1-oz. bait pieces fit easily into burrows, bait stations and tight baiting places. A hole through the center lets you wire/hang the bait, or place on bait securing rods for added security.

It is colored blue and authorized by USDA for use in federally inspected meat and poultry plants.

Do not place bait in areas where there is a possibility of contaminating food or surfaces that come in direct contact with food. Do not broadcast bait.

SELECTION OF TREATMENT AREAS: Determine areas where rats or mice will most likely find and consume the bait. Generally, these areas are along walls, by gnawed openings, in or beside burrows, in corners and concealed places, between floors and walls, or in locations where rodents or their signs have been seen. Remove as much alternative food as possible.

Norway rats and house mice may consume a lethal dose in one feeding with first dead rodents appearing four to five days after treatment begins.

DIRECTIONS FOR USE

APPLICATION DIRECTIONS: Each bait block in this container weighs approximately one ounce.

RATS: Place 3 to 16 CONTRAC BLOX (usually at intervals of 15 to 30 feet) per placement. Maintain an uninterrupted supply of fresh bait for at least 10 days or until signs of rat activity cease.

MICE: Place 1 block per placement. Space placements at 8- to 12- foot intervals. Two CONTRAC BLOX may be needed at points of very high mouse activity. Maintain an uninterrupted supply of fresh bait for at least 15 days or until signs of mouse activity cease.

RATS AND MICE: Replace contaminated or spoiled bait immediately. Collect and dispose of all dead animals and leftover bait properly. To prevent reinfestation, limit sources of rodent food, water, and harborage as much as possible. If reinfestation does occur, repeat treatment. Where a continuous source of infestation is present, establish permanent bait stations and replenish as needed.




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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: CureCat]
    #7551062 - 10/23/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I dont want that stuff in my patches :mad2:


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: sui]
    #7551159 - 10/23/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Bromadiolone is an anti-coagulant rodenticide. Predator species are unlikely to be affected unless a large portion of their diet comes from poisoned prey.

That being said I found this journal abstract (granted the pellets in this are 4X as potent):

[Bromadiolone poisoning in foxes]
Bromadiolon-Vergiftung bei Füchsen

Schweiz Arch Tierheilkd. August 2006;148(8):405-8. German
J Kupper1, T Grobosch, R Kistler, T Sydler, H Naegeli
1 Institut für Veterinärpharmakologie und -toxikologie der Universität Zurich. jacqueline.kupper@vetpharm.unizh.ch

Abstract
Bromadiolone is an anticoagulant rodenticide that inhibits the reactivation of vitamin K1 by the enzyme vitamin K1-epoxide reductase. The present case report originated from the application of bromadiolone against water voles (Arvicola terrestris) in northeastern Switzerland. At least 40 foxes (Vulpes vulpes) were found dead after the inappropriate use of a bait that contained 0.02 % bromadiolone. Anticoagulant rodenticide poisoning was suspected on the basis of the postmortem examination and subsequently confirmed by the detection ofbromadiolone both in the blood and in samples from thoracic and abdominal fluids.

I wouldn't be worried about human toxicity though
The dose of the drug needed for treatment is 0.02 mg/kg, so it would be highly unlikely a human eating mushrooms picked in an area with the bait boxes present would eat enough to cause a problem.
A 150# person would need to eat more than 1/2 a pound of the 0.005% pellets to get a trigger dose.


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: rainlover]
    #7551670 - 10/23/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

granted, most ratkill is an anticoagulant, and is effective against rats, and yes, humans do need to consume a large amount of it to (die). keep in mind though that small amounts can still cause severe nausea etc.

so its really not too good for it to be seeping, but its unlikely that it is seeping, (otherwise it shouldnt be commercially available).
still say baiting is evil :frown:


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: Kanker]
    #7551780 - 10/23/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> I dont want that stuff in my patches :mad2:

Not to worry, its been ten years since they put this stuff in cigarettes and twenty years since they stopped putting it in peoples food.

You can still worry a little if you want since it is in tobacco plants and cassia, the cheap kind of cinnamon.

Coumarin toxicity (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromadiolone)

Coumarin is often found in tobacco products and artificial vanilla substitutes, though it has been banned as a food additive in numerous countries since the mid-20th century because it is moderately toxic to the liver and kidneys, with an LD50 of 275 mg/kg - low compared to related compounds. Although only somewhat dangerous to humans, coumarin is a potent rodenticide: rats and other rodents largely metabolize it to 3,4-coumarin epoxide, a toxic compound that can cause internal hemorrhage and death. Humans largely metabolize it to 7-hydroxycoumarin, a compound of lower toxicity.

Coumarin was banned as a food additive in the United States in 1978. OSHA considers this compound to be only a lung-specific carcinogen, and "not classifiable as to its carcinogenicity to humans" [1]. Coumarin was banned as an adulterant in cigarettes by tobacco companies in 1997, but due to the lack of reporting requirements to the US Department of Health and Human Services it was still being used as a flavoring additive in pipe tobacco.[citation needed] Coumarin is currently listed by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) among "Substances Generally Prohibited From Direct Addition or Use as Human Food", according to 21 CFR 189.130 [2][3], but some natural additives containing coumarin (such as sweet woodruff) are allowed "in alcoholic beverages only" (21 CFR 172.510 [4]). In Europe, such beverages are very popular, for example Maiwein (white wine with woodruff) and Żubrówka (vodka flavored with bison grass).

European health agencies have warned against consuming high amounts of cassia bark, one of the four species of cinnamon, because of its coumarin content.[1]

Coumarin should be avoided by people with perfume allergy[2]. Flexitral (Chantilly, VA) has developed an allergen replacement product called Coumane(TM), GRAS. [3]


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Re: A heads up to the Bay area hunters. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7551859 - 10/23/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you cant big deal this stuff. The piles of bum shit are far worst then this stuff. So what if it causes nausea, so do ps cyanescens


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