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LayYouIn
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: Disco Cat]
#7556276 - 10/24/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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LayYouIn said: as far as uppers and downers, they dont do anyone, or society in general any good, so i say eliminate them...unless prescribed by a doctor.
things like meth, cocaine, heroin...well, they just aren't good for anything
Spoken like a true ignorant. Most likely you've never done these drugs, and so don't really know what you're condemning. I see lots of benefit to be had from cocaine, especially during meditation. I can think of no other drug that makes my thoughts clearer and easier to articulate than this drug does. There is just as much validity in thinking that no good comes from marijuana, that everyone who smokes it becomes stupid and lazy. These are negative stereotypes, and false ones.
Your bias is your hypocrisy, as of course there are many people who would wish you to be thrown in jail for life for simply advocating psychedelics. You possess the same harmful beliefs as these people do, you've only targeted a different group... which you've judged in your mind as being the same as what other anti-drug folk certainly judge you as being: worthless and harmful to society. You are as ignorant as they, and if you had your way you'd be as harmful and hindering to society as they are.
so you really think meth is a good drug?
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LayYouIn
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: Disco Cat]
#7556303 - 10/24/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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LayYouIn said: as far as uppers and downers, they dont do anyone, or society in general any good, so i say eliminate them...unless prescribed by a doctor.
things like meth, cocaine, heroin...well, they just aren't good for anything
Spoken like a true ignorant. Most likely you've never done these drugs, and so don't really know what you're condemning. I see lots of benefit to be had from cocaine, especially during meditation. I can think of no other drug that makes my thoughts clearer and easier to articulate than this drug does. There is just as much validity in thinking that no good comes from marijuana, that everyone who smokes it becomes stupid and lazy. These are negative stereotypes, and false ones.
Your bias is your hypocrisy, as of course there are many people who would wish you to be thrown in jail for life for simply advocating psychedelics. You possess the same harmful beliefs as these people do, you've only targeted a different group... which you've judged in your mind as being the same as what other anti-drug folk certainly judge you as being: worthless and harmful to society. You are as ignorant as they, and if you had your way you'd be as harmful and hindering to society as they are.
so you really think meth is a good drug?
i've done coke and meth, both only a few times. i was one of the people that knew that both of them are basically for the weak neglected type that Cheezit speaks of. the people that used them were sketchy low-lives that didn't think about the future.
i have yet to meet a smart meth user.
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: LayYouIn]
#7559327 - 10/25/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think meth is a good drug FOR ME. I've known and dealt with a lot of the meth addicts of which you speak. I've had some shitty experiences with the drug myself. So yeah, I think meth is a shitty drug and I wouldn't do it.
My moral conviction, however, cannot justly be forced on anyone else. They have the right to smoke meth just as I have the right to abstain from it. For me to say: "You can't smoke meth", is basically the same as them saying: "You have to smoke meth."
If you don't like meth, don't do it. But you have no moral right to tell other people what to do.
You know, even though I don't like meth, I know several people who use it and don't have a problem. They work in offices, drive luxury cars, and live with their families in upscale suburban homes. Meth is a problem for SOME PEOPLE. Not all people. We all have different physiologies and we all respond differently to chemicals. There are successful meth heads, you just don't hear about them they way you hear about the fuckup ones.
and that is probably because the successful ones keep their use private for fear of being pigeonholed by bigoted morons. The negative effects of drug use on society are like a toupee. You can only spot the bad ones.
There are some people who can't handle alcohol. Having unlimited access to it turns them into sloven wrecks homelessly begging in the streets. Does that mean we should prohibit alcohol? Of course not! Why should I be restricted because of someone else's weakness? Personally, I don't like alcohol, or the effects it has on people. So I don't go to bars and keg parties. Its that simple.
Only bigoted policy exalts one form of intoxication over others. No one has the right to decide what other people can consume.
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Edited by wps (10/25/07 02:06 PM)
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LayYouIn
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: wps]
#7560228 - 10/25/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wps said: Meth is a problem for SOME PEOPLE. Not all people.
what about when meth addicts start stealing? what about when they start committing identity fraud?
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: LayYouIn]
#7560612 - 10/25/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, you could say the same about alcohol. and the role it plays with crimes like fighting and drunk driving.
i really wonder what the statistics look like, comparing meth related crimes to alcohol related. if anyone knows anything, aside from an opinion, let me know.
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: LayYouIn]
#7560836 - 10/25/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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So? What about when crack addicts start committing crimes, or heroin addicts, or anyone else for that matter.
What makes methamphetamine so heinous in your opinion?
Anyhow, when a person starts stealing there are laws to address that. That person is committing a crime. I promise you a pile of meth crystals will not steal your identity.
People get drunk and commit crimes also. Maybe we should ban alcohol too?
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Edited by MrKite1 (10/25/07 09:32 PM)
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: MrKite1]
#7560985 - 10/25/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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MrKite1 said: Maybe we should ban alcohol too?
it would be best.
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: LayYouIn]
#7561958 - 10/26/07 06:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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MrKite1 said: Maybe we should ban alcohol too?
it would be best.
Because prohibition worked out so well the first time.
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: MrKite1]
#7562070 - 10/26/07 07:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The funny thing is, I've personally seen more marijuana related robberies than any involving another drug.
Drugs aren't the problem, people are. When a person infringes on another's liberties, whatever the reason may be, they should/will be prosecuted for it. Victimless crimes should have no merit.
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: LayYouIn]
#7563742 - 10/26/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: LayYouIn]
#7565982 - 10/27/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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How can you say uppers and downers have never done society any good? Get a grip.
How many people can't function or be productive without their morning pot of coffee? How many people can't function or be productive without their morning handful of painkillers?
These are real strengths of these drugs that support the economy and therefore everyone's well-being. So what if someone prefers an adderall to a cup of coffee to get going? It's all for productivity, so therefore it benefits us all.
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: LayYouIn]
#7566072 - 10/27/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wps said: Meth is a problem for SOME PEOPLE. Not all people.
what about when meth addicts start stealing? what about when they start committing identity fraud?
yes, thievery and identity fraud are problems. Thats why they are illegal, and I fully support prosecuting people for committing those crimes.
Its not so much meth that causes those crimes, its poverty. People get poor for a number of reasons, meth addiction only being one. There are plenty of phishers, scammers, and shoplifters out there that are not on meth.
Just because someone might be more likely to steal because they are on meth does not mean meth use by itself should be criminalized. People on alcohol are more likely to start fights. Doesn't mean alcohol should be criminalized.
You have to punish the CRIME, not the perceived 'cause' of the crime. Meth use in itself, only hurts the user. No one else is effected. Only when someone else is effected negatively (ie, the moment the meth user commits theft) is a crime committed. You can punish thievery all you want, but drug use by itself is not morally a crime.
there are plenty of people on meth who DON'T steal. There are plenty of drunks who DON'T start fights. Why punish them for the crimes of less well-behaved users? Why lump them all into the same category when responsible meth and alcohol users are innocent?
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Edited by wps (10/27/07 08:48 AM)
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: wps]
#7567937 - 10/27/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wps said: Why lump them all into the same category when responsible meth and alcohol users are innocent?
because they should sacrifice for the ones who dont have self control.
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Re: Oregon police seize nearly 50 pounds of cocaine [Re: LayYouIn]
#7568114 - 10/27/07 09:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wps said: Why lump them all into the same category when responsible meth and alcohol users are innocent?
because they should sacrifice for the ones who don't have self control.
Looks like psychedelics and any other mood or mind altering chemical or activity will need to be banned too.
Someone near here ran a red light and caused a serious multi vehicle collision the other day. I suppose I should sacrifice my driving privilege because he wasn't responsible behind the wheel.
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