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rye no soak
    #7546094 - 10/22/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i have very little F*cking time before it gets too cold to grow, its still 80 degrees and it will get colder soon.
so i gotta make a few last jars of rye for a harvest to last me the winter, like a squirrel

so I'm gonna simmer the damn rye pour out, new water, pour out, simmer again
final rinses.. then load them up and PC. hope this kills most of the endospores
It's half ass i know but i dont have time, times is wasting and i gotta get going


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Re: rye no soak [Re: wutang]
    #7546107 - 10/22/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

change of plans..
rye is dirty as hell and covered with powder..
so I'm gonna use Popcorn hoping it will be easier to sterilize seeing that its sold clean, at least more than rye..
rye may be a bit more dirty than popcorn, but they still are all filthy and need cleaning


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Re: rye no soak [Re: wutang]
    #7546112 - 10/22/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What's to say you can't grow all year round? the only thing limiting is the gear you get. Hell, you could throw a heater on an FC if temps are gonna be dropping that bad. Plus an extra heater to throw on your incubator to ensure you're capable of keeping good colonization temps.

A couple fishtank heaters is nothing. I just found a site selling fully submersible 12 or 14 inch heaters under $12 apiece, minus shipping.


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Re: rye no soak [Re: wutang]
    #7546116 - 10/22/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

In the overall time scheme, a 24 hr soak, is not is not going to slow things down, ever. take a chill pill today and before you know it tommorrow will be here.


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Re: rye no soak [Re: Skeeblix]
    #7546118 - 10/22/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You're supposed to rinse the rye or other grain before use.

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Hell, you could throw a heater on an FC if temps are gonna be dropping that bad.




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Re: rye no soak [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7546123 - 10/22/07 09:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, that was a mild oversight on my part. It's 10 am, and I've not gone to bed yet.

A decent space heater for that wouldn't be too difficult to obtain though. Thanks for catching my slipup RR, the brain will forget even basic science after 24+ hours awake.


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Re: rye no soak [Re: wutang]
    #7546126 - 10/22/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Haste makes wastes, especially in this regard... The boil does not cause the endospores to germinate, the long soak in the water is what does the trick. However, things being as they are and the fact that you've already stated that you're not inclined to wait out the 12-24 hour soak period, I would at least take the following approach in an attempt to mitigate at least some *some* risk...

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Pre-rinse: it only takes about 10-15 minutes total, but make sure to pre-rinse the rye grains several times until the water pours off clear. What I do is fill the pot up with the hottest tap-water your faucet provides, stir it vigorously with a kitchen spoon and pour it out. Repeat this process until the water is clear to the bottom and no dirt/chaff remains.

Simmering Boil: because you're omitting the 12-24 hour soak period, you'll need to bring the water to a very low, simmering boil. Let it boil like this for at least 20-30 minutes while stirring as frequently as possible to avoid the grains on the bottom from absorbing too much of the heat. If the boil is too vigorous or you don't bother stirring it not only will you have a horrible mess of stuck grains to clean out when you're finished but you'll also end up with a ton of burst-grain goo mixed into your grains leaving you with a sloppy mess.

Steam-Dry: After draining the water out, slowly pour the grains into several colanders so that each one is only half full. Then, in rotation, begin "tossing" the grains in the colanders so that the steam can escape as rapidly as possible. The more steam that comes off the grains, the more properly dried they'll be before going into the jars. For two or three colandars worth - which is about 10 quart jars full for me - of grains will take you approximately 15-20 minutes of tossing in this fashion before the vast majority of steam is gone and the grains begin to reach the proper "dryness" before loading them up into jars.

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Those would be the bare minimum steps I would avoid skimping on in any fashion. Technically I would tell you the 12-24 hour soak (along with a spoonful of garden-gypsum) would be the most important step in the process but like you've said, that part is already out... Hopefully your haste won't ruin your project but I really don't have a whole lot of faith in extending the boil to cause enough endospores to germinate before pressure cooking.


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