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tahoe
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Re: INtruder [Re: auweia]
#7743171 - 12/10/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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auweia said: tahoe, I have no idea what you mean by azures. Azures don't grow down here.
Well when I say azures I mean psilocybe azurescens. They are common in northen oregon and washington. I mean these and the second pic is mine.


When I say Psilocybe subaeruginosa I mean these. I was asking you if these were worth working with. This would give me 4 wood loving strains that I would dealing with which can get overwhelming.

As for cyanescens i mean cyanescens. When I say fibs it means cyanofibs, fibs, friscosas, cyclone, unknown. You get the picture and the back yard was no fluke.
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I don't know, i think that auweia's pics looked different then subaeruginascens.
Mostly in the fact they almost all lacked an umbo all together. Some of the caps even looked convex to slightly depressed. Also the fact i haven't seen a annulus or pieces of a veil on auweia's pics.
Also this picture they have looks a lot like they are cyanescens with the full wave. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Psilocybe.subaeruginascens.6.jpg
Auweia: I like your theory about the evolution from cyanescens. It sounds very very probable.
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> Also the fact i haven't seen a annulus or pieces of a veil on auweia's pics.
This one has an annulus:
http://static.flickr.com/2144/2102647894_633772a638_b.jpg
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Re: INtruder [Re: auweia]
#7743530 - 12/11/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Auweia, microscopically, they are a fine fit for Ps. subaeruginascens. Macroscopically, they are a good fit, if you ask me. The photos that exist from Asia, appear to be shaded and well watered. Your patch was in the open. The patch I have seen numerous fruit from in Oakland is very well shaded and very well watered, and they look much more like the photos documented from Asia. Perhaps the discrepancy in your photos is directly related to the lack of protection from the sun and wind.
I have heard Ps. subaeruginascens pronounced two different ways. "sub-aye-roo-gin-ace-ins" and "sub-aye-roo-jin-ass-ens"
The latter is likely correct, as Peter pronounces it that way and he seems well versed in latin.
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Re: INtruder [Re: CureCat]
#7743788 - 12/11/07 03:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well i have seen cyanescens with the same type of annulus left over from it's fibrilose veil. The pics on the opening page of the Wiki article don't look fibrilose to me. Auweia's pics of the babies have a fibrilose veil, but then again some of the younger babies also look like cyanescens to me in those pics.
The wiki article Quote:
With a well developed partial veil which leaves a persistent membranous annulus on the upper stem.
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auweia
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I dunno..This photo is what throws me off
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Psilocybe.subaeruginascens.6.jpg
none of the ones I found opened up like that..veil, yes, but cap no. I know some of it was because it was exposed, but most of them were fully mature. If they're related to stuntzii, that might not be a great idea if people were to eat 50 of these....sheesh
come to think of it, maybe that's why Peter wanted to get stuntzii samples so he could compare it. I've seen stuntziis here once, but didn't get a photo. They didn't look anything like the ones in Richmond
Edited by auweia (12/11/07 10:19 AM)
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Re: INtruder [Re: auweia]
#7744444 - 12/11/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i made it out for a quick hunt this morning. This dry wind is no good.

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Re: INtruder [Re: tahoe]
#7744674 - 12/11/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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checked a few spots today.




and heres the spot you told me about auweia.







the most awesome shot is to come.
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tahoe
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another patch raper!!! [Re: sui]
#7744693 - 12/11/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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suimush said:
and heres the spot you told me about auweia.

the most awesome shot is to come.
bad news, you will be called a parasite soon
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Re: another patch raper!!! [Re: tahoe]
#7744705 - 12/11/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just got back from my second hunt of the day. i am beat!
I am pretty sure these are different species. The first vid being ps cyan and the second being ps cyanofib var san francisco. I do not know if the way that they are attached to the substrate plays a big role in identifacation but look how easily the ones in the first vid come out of the ground and look at the chunk from the second.
Hopefully cyanescens

cyanofib var san francisco. Listen to the wind and lawn mower

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Edited by tahoe (12/11/07 12:06 PM)
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you wanna lick this lollipop [Re: tahoe]
#7744808 - 12/11/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You all know you'd wanna lick this lollipop!










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Re: Official N. California, BAY AREA thread *Fall 2007-Spring 2008* ((post your finds here!)) *DELE [Re: CureCat]
#7744989 - 12/11/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I already posted these, but here they are again, for your comparison. I still fail to see any astonishing differences macroscopically between the Asian Ps. subaeruginascens and the ones from my friends patch, which Workman did up a composite fon (alan rockefeller collection, but actually, my friend picked it, i printed it, and alan took the initiative to send it to Workman ).
Auweia, I still think differences seen in your collection are due to environmental factors and/or phenotypic variation (as is evident with my friends patch, which consistently produced wavy lamelle unlike any other collection photographed).
http://kinoko-ya.sakura.ne.jp/01eng6/psilocybe_subaeruginascens01.htm
  
And here are the photos from my friends patch: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v101/CureCat/Ps%20crispii/?start=all
                          
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Re: Official N. California, BAY AREA thread *Fall 2007-Spring 2008* ((post your finds here!)) *DELE [Re: CureCat]
#7745168 - 12/11/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Auweia's pics are extremely dry
-------------------- Stop experimenting half way through your first grow. Grow it to maturity, watch it, learn from it. Do this a few times then experiment with different ideas and figure out what works best for you.
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Re: Official N. California, BAY AREA thread *Fall 2007-Spring 2008* ((post your finds here!)) *DELE [Re: tahoe]
#7745725 - 12/11/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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And in nearly all of my photos the caps are still viscid.
Oh, and here are my Ps. stuntzii for comparison with Ps. subaeruginascens:
  
And more from google: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=stuntzii&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2
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Re: Official N. California, BAY AREA thread *Fall 2007-Spring 2008* ((post your finds here!)) *DELE [Re: CureCat]
#7746339 - 12/11/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look what I found while I was hunting today! 

Good thing I turned 21 three weeks ago....
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Re: Official N. California, BAY AREA thread *Fall 2007-Spring 2008* ((post your finds here!)) *DELE [Re: CureCat]
#7746351 - 12/11/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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what the hell is it?
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Re: Official N. California, BAY AREA thread *Fall 2007-Spring 2008* ((post your finds here!)) *DELE [Re: CureCat]
#7746619 - 12/11/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, stuntziis I know...the stem is darker.
but these things I found might very well be the Japanese species. But something doesn't seem right. I never noticed the gills to be wavy like that. It's sort of similar to the way fibs from the PNW look like the friscosas down here, but not quite...It's close, I admit, but there's certain things that don't quite add up
either way, I'm not going to be able to get more pics and specimens until it fruits again........this century 
so these subaeruginascens you found, or your friend found..How did the dosage compare to cyans?
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CureCat said: And in nearly all of my photos the caps are still viscid.
Oh, and here are my Ps. stuntzii for comparison with Ps. subaeruginascens:
  
And more from google: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=stuntzii&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2
Edited by auweia (12/11/07 07:30 PM)
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Re: another patch raper!!! [Re: tahoe]
#7746732 - 12/11/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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edited out
Edited by auweia (02/21/08 01:12 PM)
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Re: Official N. California, BAY AREA thread *Fall 2007-Spring 2008* ((post your finds here!)) *DELE [Re: auweia]
#7746804 - 12/11/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe your patch IS the same thing as the ones I posted. As I said, the waxy lamelle seem to be a strain characteristic, but not species consistent. Quit being such a splitter. 
I disagree with your comparison of the fibs/friscosas, to Ps. subaeruginascens. They are really not comparable cases, as the PNW Ps. cyanofibrillosa and these "Cyanofriscosas" are distinct microscopically, whereas the mushrooms we are finding here are a good match microscopically with Ps. subaeruginascens, and a good fit macroscopically as well, at least in my opinion.
I never have tried them. But my friend says they are pretty strong. I'd rather not press him for more of a bioassay, as in my experience, he is not at all objective about the details.
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Re: Official N. California, BAY AREA thread *Fall 2007-Spring 2008* ((post your finds here!)) *DELE [Re: CureCat]
#7746888 - 12/11/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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edited out
Edited by auweia (02/21/08 01:14 PM)
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