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01066595
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Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing?
#7545684 - 10/22/07 03:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok so I'm getting good grow along all the edges, but why is there nothing growing in the middle. All you see has popped up in about 2-3 days. WHATS HAPPENING?????Q#REQ?#ER$
notice in center...nothing..?
 some close ups...

and some more..yay


okay and when do i pluck these bad boys...i have no idea.
Edited by 01066595 (10/22/07 03:34 AM)
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Re: Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing? [Re: 01066595]
#7545711 - 10/22/07 03:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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For most potency, you should have picked about 12 hours after that pic MAX. You want to see very slightly or almost torn veils under the caps. As far as why you have no growth in the middle, it is a water issue, as in next time you case, add more water to your bulk sub and then keep it a little more moist. To get some more out of that, you may try to dunk after this flush.
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01066595
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Re: Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing? [Re: mebesideme]
#7545718 - 10/22/07 04:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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well I took those pics about an hour ago..and I dont know what dunking is..ive heard of it. Can I just add water to the top of the casing or not??
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Re: Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing? [Re: 01066595]
#7545746 - 10/22/07 04:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dunking is soaking it in water for a period of time to rehydrate, it works wonders on PF cakes, not sure how its done on casings, i know some people do do it
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Forum2&Number=4754785&Searchpage=1&Main=4754785&Words=dunk+casing&topic=&Search=true#Post4754785
Had a search around and cant seem to find anything explanetery, just that some people do it. Only thing i could find was
Fill ur container that has your lovely myc and casing with water leave for 12 hours, turn upsidedown to drain and back into your fruiting chamber after you have patched the casing layer.
the middle of your casing does look a bit dry, u could try misting it some to get it hydrated. Nice and glistening but not soaking wet, it should darken a little in colour too
Im sure it will have its benifits, people have managed to sqeeze a few extra flushes by dunking, i know one person had 5-6 flushes from a casing.
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Re: Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing? [Re: veda_sticks]
#7545890 - 10/22/07 06:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your casing layer isn't moist enough. Mist it enough so that it remains moist until you see pinning. The sides of the casing have more moisture from the condensation, which is why mushrooms are growing only there.
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Re: Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing? [Re: mebesideme]
#7545979 - 10/22/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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mebesideme said: For most potency, you should have picked about 12 hours after that pic MAX. You want to see very slightly or almost torn veils under the caps. As far as why you have no growth in the middle, it is a water issue, as in next time you case, add more water to your bulk sub and then keep it a little more moist. To get some more out of that, you may try to dunk after this flush.
no one has any hard data that this is when a mushroom is most potent.. Potency is genetic, wether mature or not.
that's horse hockey.. no growth in the middle is more then likely due to patting your casing layer down tight, also, they are doing that around the sides, as that's where conditions are favorable for pins to start.
so yeah, moisture on your casing layer is probably an issue, it looks to me that you did not let the casing layer colonize before you placed it into a fruiting cycle.
good luck, and be sure to weed through the BS...
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Re: Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing? [Re: jeetered]
#7546037 - 10/22/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The biggest problem I see here is a lack of air exchange. Your long twisted stems and small caps are the sure sign that you have high CO2 levels. That's a worse problem than side-pinning, which usually doesn't effect total yield that much.(side mushrooms are usually larger)
The side pinning is caused by that area being the best place to pin. Mycelium pins in 99% to 100% humidity. If your casing layer isn't moist or loose and airy enough to provide 100% at the surface of the substrate, the pins will form where those conditions exist, which is around the edges where the substrate has pulled in from the sides slightly, providing a perfect micro-environment.
Pick those fruits, then don't mist, dunk, or anything else for at least five days. After the 'rest' period, either soak your substrate in water for several hours, or mist every hour or two for a few days to rehydrate the substrate for the next flush.
I would also recommend that you wrap the sides and bottom of that container with black tape to absorb light and keep it off the mycelium. Good luck. RR
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Re: Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7546042 - 10/22/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would also recommend that you wrap the sides and bottom of that container with black tape to absorb light and keep it off the mycelium. Good luck. RR
I'm finding the black heavy duty contractor bags from home depot, with the bottom cut off, and placed in the bottom of your "tub" is a great way to stop side pinning. It also makes clean up way easy.
EDIT: and yeah, RR makes a good point, i see absolutely no holes for FAE and if you're manually fanning, you aren't doing it enough.
Edited by jeetered (10/22/07 08:43 AM)
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Re: Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing? [Re: jeetered]
#7546143 - 10/22/07 09:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had this problem with a monotub that I didnt case. I thought it would never pin. Then one day I see tons of pins coming up from the sides. RR is right. They were huge. Anyways, I took it as the moisture drips down the sides it created the microenviornment for the pins which led me to believe it was my RH. I piped in a coolmist with an ultrasonic inside of it. It comes on for 2 minutes every hour. Well what do you know, two days later and pins all over the top of the casing. I will always case from now on. Without it just seems wrong to me.
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Re: Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing? [Re: shroomerite]
#7546195 - 10/22/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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well I def. have a casing on there and in the center there is all the mycelium poking through but theres just no pins. im about to harvest some of those bigger fat ones. I have a lid that isnt in the pics that has a lot of holes in it. How else can I get a better air exchange?
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Re: Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7546350 - 10/22/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
Pick those fruits, then don't mist, dunk, or anything else for at least five days. After the 'rest' period, either soak your substrate in water for several hours, or mist every hour or two for a few days to rehydrate the substrate for the next flush.
What happens during this 'rest' period?
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Re: Pics of my flush...no growth from center of casing? [Re: veda_sticks]
#16164735 - 05/01/12 09:58 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, you can rehydrate substrates (bulk) like cakes (same principle). After your flush give the sub. a few days to "rest" this allows the myc. network to strengthen its hold and rest again. This means cutting down the pinning triggers before a soak. The sub. will then absorb more water anyway, crucial, and as RR says, "crappy 2nd flushes are usually due to an immediate re-hydration" (paraphrasing). Just make sure not to over saturate. Pinning on the sides has happened to me as well. In my exp., due to overlay or lack of water in the center. Take into consideration your environment when considering re-hydrating. Ex: I live where it's humid as hell in summer so I would not apply the same amount of water to a casing layer, tray, sgfc, etc. in the summer as I would during the winter when my RH is relatively low.
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