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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: andrewss]
#7547647 - 10/22/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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she's harnessed the fundraising potential of China!
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: andrewss]
#7547703 - 10/22/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who is Hillary without her husbands name? When more people become aware of Ron Paul's great message they will boost the already strong support for the great man with a great message. Realize that it isn't only about the money, its the message that actually weighs more support than lobbyist money. Don't forget unlike Hillary and all the other so called front runners, Ron Paul is completely funded by individuals and not interest groups, therefore 5 million dollars goes a long way in regards to votes...but just wait till he raises more than double that for this quarter, then you truly realize how passionate his supports are and how many of them exist and will vote in the primaries.
The Ron Paul support is real and as strong as any other candidate, don't be fooled by the liars who say otherwise!
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: andrewss]
#7547858 - 10/22/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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andrewss said: Looking at Hildogs (lol) fund raising number... pretty staggering, I think I saw 35 million vs Paul's 5 million
Even Hillary's 35 mil to giuliani's 14 mil is a joke.
Look at the dems vs republicans. The dems are creaming them in fund raising.
Remember, these funds are for the primary to help them get the nomination from their parties. Come early spring '08 the serious cash will kick in when the nominees go head to head for the general election in Nov 08. It's still over a year away.
BTW, Paul has raised about another 1.5 million in the last 3 weeks already.
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#7548070 - 10/22/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love how his site uses Flickr for his photos, which are cool photos btw.
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#7548102 - 10/22/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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to on one in particular:
I really like Ron Paul, its just that I think he may be a softy.
I hope when he talks of tax cuts he is referring to the shit-heads on welfare, and not thinking of taking money from our military.
I do however like his ideas on privacy issues. I know its almost inexcusable, but I suffer from a very strong fear that one day we will be enslaved. Microchip technology is going to fuck us, and he seems to understand that.
I also like his stance on gun laws, non violent feloniuses(I know, not a word) should be allowed to carry weapons, or at least let the local government decide.
I wish he would take a harder stance on The Middle East though. That region is crucial, the next hundred years will be shaped there, and if you think you don't have any skin in that game you are a fool, and fools are ever thirsty in the abundance of water, according to bob marley.
So I wish eh would revamp his position on the war, that will be the thing that prevents him from the white house, one a the things that is. I really think his running mate will have little bearing on his chances.
Giuliani scares the shit out of me at least regarding his view on the criminals and shit. I mean murderers and rapists and peds and cons and people like that deserve their just deserts, I just don't want to get caught in the cross fires. I mean honestly.
But he has an almost impeccable records fiscally, and their is much to be aid about that. Plus I think he has the cajonies to secure our interests in the Middle East.
And fuck the fact his marriage record is in shambles, it really has no relevance to his ability to govern the country.
End rant.
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#7548202 - 10/22/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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nakors_junk_bag said:
Giuliani scares the shit out of me at least regarding his view on the criminals and shit. I mean murderers and rapists and peds and cons and people like that deserve their just deserts, I just don't want to get caught in the cross fires. I mean honestly.
You can't know this because it was 16 years ago and you probably don't live here but NYC was a combat zone after Koch and Dinkins. "Cross fires" wasn't a figure of speech. Giuliani probably did more to preserve young black male lives than any single politician in American history. Bloomburg is an asshole who has taken the nannyness too far but it really was a total disaster before Rudy.
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: zappaisgod]
#7548301 - 10/22/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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See, he seems extremely capable, I just don't want to be prosecuted like the mal-intents, you know the real evil ones.
The single biggest fear is that he will get in office and start prosecuting his duties without regard for the intangibles so to speak. It seems silly, but there it is. I really don't know shit about any of the candidates, just what they think I wanna know about them. I wish I could sit down and drink a glass of wine with them all and probe, really fucking probe. No cameras, no stages, just us, wine and body language. That would be telling.
I still got some time, time to delve.
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#7548449 - 10/22/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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gettinjiggywithit said: In addition, I want to address the values voter poll where the audience placed votes.
Values voters want the Feds to regulate and enforce their morals regarding abortion. Paul says it's a state and local community issue and the Feds have no jurisdiction over it.
Values Voters want Gay Marriage Banned and Enforced by the Feds. Ron Paul says that the Feds have no place coming between the contractual agreements of two consenting adults.
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000) Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002) Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003) Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999) See: http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm
"Therefore the federal government has no authority whatsoever to involve itself in the abortion issue." See: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul301.html
So he's a pro-life abortion-foe who votes for the partial birth abortion ban, yet states the feds have no jurisdiction on the abortion debate? What??
He is against government intrusion on personal morals, but is against otherwise-qualified gays adopting?
He is against the redistribution of wealth via the feds funding healthcare, yet he supports funding for healthcare providers that don't provide abortion as an option?
I like Ronny, but I'm not so sure gettinjiggywithit is correct in his portrayal of all of paul's platform and record.
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: johnm214]
#7548499 - 10/22/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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what do you think the proper course of action is,
Let congress interfere and fuck things up, or let congress interfere and try and stymie some a the more ridiculous ideas.
just a question, not an attack.
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#7548519 - 10/22/07 07:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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the correct answer is c) remove congress entirely from things they needn't and shouldn't be involved in. It's easier to change states, or to lobby at the state level, than to change the country's laws.
state's have long acted as laboratories for social policy, better that way than at the national level where you have far less options if you or your country get sick of the laws/regs.
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: johnm214]
#7548541 - 10/22/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, the correct answer isn't an option at this point. If you are the trenches, that is where you are. Must make do with the circumstance, and when the time is right then you can change circumstance so that those trenches needn't be secured again. Trust me I am probably more for local to personal jurisdiction than you can know..
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Re: ron Paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: johnm214]
#7548571 - 10/22/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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John,
You are confusing first trimester abortion with partial birth 2nd and 3rd trimester abortion. 1st trimester fetuses can not survive outside of the womb. 2nd and 3rd trimester babies can.
You are confusing the activity of two consenting adults, with the issue of child adoption. Children are not consenting adults.
What you did there is called bait and switch.
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Re: ron Paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: johnm214]
#7548939 - 10/22/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I caught you in another weak debate tactic called" Putting words into someones mouth and then arguing from what someone actually never said."
Show me where I discussed Paul's voting record regarding abortion or even partial birth abortion or anything having to do with gay adoption?
I said what Paul SAID, to the values voters who were in the audience voting on the candidates speeches.
They voted based on what they heard from the candidates and what they heard is what I said Paul said in it. I watched it.
Based on what they heard Paul say, it is unrealistic to expect values voters to have voted for him.
He wasn't pandering to the crowed either to get their votes.
We were not discussing Paul's voting record, which btw, is something, I am completely comfortable with after having gone to great lengths to understand where he is coming from.
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Re: ron Paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#7548972 - 10/22/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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gettinjiggywithit said: I caught you in another weak debate tactic called" Putting words into someones mouth and then arguing from what someone actually never said."
Aka the STRAW MAN argument. Funny.. seeing as how we're talking about straw polls
Anywho.. assholes like Rush Limboob use that argument all the time.
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#7549199 - 10/22/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now that it's clear John presented false and misleading arguments towards me, I want to also clear up the name of Ron Paul where he had him misrepresented.
Here's the skinny on those votes so you can better understand him and rest assured he walks his talk.
1."Paul voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC."
He voted against an amendment, the Largent of Oklahoma Amendment to HR2587 of the 106th Congress, which was "to prohibit any [federal] funding for the joint adoption of a child between individuals who are not related by blood or marriage." He also went on to vote against the entire funding of the bill.
2. "Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research."
The bill he voted no on, HR810 of the 109th Congress, actually required the federal government to fund and conduct the research.
3 "Voted yes to fund healthcare that didn't provide abortion info."
RP co-sponsored and voted for HR 4691 in 2002, which was summarized by the Congressional Research Service as follows:
Quote: Abortion Non-Discrimination Act of 2002 - Amends the Public Health Service Act to prohibit the Federal Government, and any State or local government that receives Federal financial assistance, from discriminating against any health care entity because (in addition to current prohibited reasons) the entity refuses to provide coverage of, or pay for, induced abortions. Expands the definition of "health care entity" to include (in addition to physicians) other health professionals, a hospital, a provider sponsored organization, a health maintenance organization, a health insurance plan, and any other kind of health care facility, organization, or plan.
So, the good doctor voted to change federal law so that hospitals and doctors who refuse to provide abortions do not become ineligible for government (federal, state, or local) funding of health care. He did not vote to spend any federal money on health care.
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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: BrAiN]
#7549495 - 10/22/07 10:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=25941&cat=0
Check this recent Poll out Related to Paul being able to take Hillary down!
Top News Stories Ron Paul Polls Strong Against Hillary Clinton Among 30 & 40 Year Olds
Washington D.C. 10/23/2007 03:30 AM GMT (FINDITT - Top Story)
Ron Paul leads Hillary Clinton among 40 year olds, 47% to 44% and is polling strong against her among 30 year olds according to a Rasmussen Reports poll of 1200 likely voters taken from October 12-14, 2007.
George Bush was very successful with this age group -- beating John Kerry 53% to 46% among 30-44 year olds according to the exit polls.
But success for Republicans aside, as USAElectionPolls.com reveals Ron Paul does better than Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson among 30 year olds against Hillary Clinton.
To see the tabulated results retrieved from Rasmussen Reports, go to:
Ron Paul General Election Polls Article
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