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OfflineBrAiN
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ron paul's downfall would be his running mate
    #7544336 - 10/21/07 07:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If Ron Paul were the republican candidate... who do you think would be his VP running mate?

I think this is what might screw him.

If he picked any of the other top republican candidates... you know some right wing nut would climb up in a book repository and take out Paul in a second.

You know Hillary is going to be the democrat nominee. I doubt he's pick Obama... Maybe Kusinich, but maybe like 3 people in the entire united states would vote for Kusinich.


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7544404 - 10/21/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think what might screw him is only having 2% of the Republican votes...


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7544439 - 10/21/07 08:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hey now he's up over 5% now :wink: hehe

It's more than just overall party vote though that ppl look for. He's way up towards the top in straw polls.

Im still doubtful that he has a chance though...

But c'mon... I'm talking hypothetically ;P

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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7544445 - 10/21/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I will humor you.

But I haven't seen him over 5% in any poll and the straw poll was rigged.


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7544756 - 10/21/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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But I haven't seen him over 5% in any poll and the straw poll was rigged.




I love how you are so wrapped up in your conception of Paul as a nobody that you continue to state with 100% certainty that all polls showing him at less than 5% are absolutely accurate while the 16 straw polls in which he placed in the top three were all rigged....


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: SoY]
    #7544955 - 10/21/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Straw polls are worthless. It's easy as hell to pack a straw poll. A straw poll is NOT a primary.

On the other hand, approval percentages on nationwide public opinion polls this far out from the primaries won't stay static from now until the primaries are held. Hey... Paul has already gone from less than one per cent (and less than half a per cent on at least some of the earlier ones) on these nationwide polls to around two per cent today. With all the money he's raised, he could even crack five per cent by the time the first primary is held.

What counts at the end of the day is the Republican National Convention. And too bad, so sad, but he has no chance whatsoever of being chosen the Republican Party's presidential candidate at that convention.




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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: Phred]
    #7545016 - 10/21/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

a lot of people are passionate about Ron Paul, I like him overall... I think he would be a good person for the job. But I have to agree with the "cynical" people here, he probably just cant get the nomination with the way it works and the state of the party. Good luck to him, I would love to see him get the nomination.


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7545054 - 10/21/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The most recent gallop poll does have Ron Paul at 5% now!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2007-10-15-poll.htm?loc=interstitialskip

A thing about that polling method. they only call registered republicans most likely to vote in their states primaries. they base that on a list of who voted in the 2004 primaries.

Based on polls taken at RP forums, about 70% of his supporters who will be voting for him in this primary, were either not registered Republicans for the 2004 primaries, or were registered republicans, but didn't vote in the primary election.

Whatever! Bill Clinton had 5% in Oct during his first run and got elected. It means shit.

Brain , when the subject came up in Paul interviews in the past, he mentioned considering a few different well established economists, that he was aligned with. Paul is deeply and mostly concerned about economy right now and I do believe, he will choose an economist for his running mate, if/when he gets to that place.

It's all speculation right now!


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7545083 - 10/21/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If talk of Ron Paul keeps up like it is right now, he will be very popular by the time election comes around.


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: WScott]
    #7545922 - 10/22/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Paul/Perot 08

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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: SoY]
    #7546380 - 10/22/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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SoY said:

I love how you are so wrapped up in your conception of Paul as a nobody that you continue to state with 100% certainty that all polls showing him at less than 5% are absolutely accurate while the 16 straw polls in which he placed in the top three were all rigged....




Its not just me saying the straw poll was rigged. Are you in any way clued in to what you're talking about? I'm referring to the Value Voters straw poll that was held a few days ago.

The vote was supposed to be taken by the people actually physically present. You know, people there to vote? Like a regular election would be?

But a few days before the poll, the organizers decided to let internet votes count for the same weight as the people who were actually there. The results from the two are not in any way, shape, or form similar to each other.

If you count people who actually took the time to go there, like people in an actual primary would have to do, I think Paul was in 5th or 6th place. Not third. I think he got 3 votes from people actually THERE. Everything else was internet schwag.

You cant vote in the primary online, kids. At some point, some of these Ron Paul supporters are going to have to leave their house...


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7546514 - 10/22/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I reregistered republican.


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7546576 - 10/22/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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At some point, some of these Ron Paul supporters are going to have to leave their house...




They have and they do. Out of 35 GOP straw poll fund raisers held around the nation, where people have to leave the house, AND purchase tickets to vote, Ron Paul came in the top 3 in 29 of them and won 17.

1st place wins 17

2nd place wins 6

3rd place wins 6

4th place wins 3

5th place wins 1

6th place wins 2

Out of a 11 candidates, he dominates the top half the top 3 and the WINS!!!!!!!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7546702 - 10/22/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

In addition, I want to address the values voter poll where the audience placed votes.

Values voters make up the block of the far religious right and social Conservatives of the GOP. Paul supporters lean towards the fiscal conservative block of the GOP.

Values voters want the Feds to regulate and enforce their morals regarding abortion. Paul says it's a state and local community issue and the Feds have no jurisdiction over it.

Values Voters want Gay Marriage Banned and Enforced by the Feds. Ron Paul says that the Feds have no place coming between the contractual agreements of two consenting adults.

Values voters want porn banned and enforced by the Feds. Ron Paul says the Feds can not interfere with the free market.

Values voters believe drugs are the tool of Satan and they support the war on drugs. Paul says the war is a waste and Drug abuse is a medical/community issue, not a political issue.

Values voters believe they are at a religious war of Christians and Jews against the Islamics and support the War in Iraq. Paul says, we should be going after Bin laden, and not be engaged in national building.


Who would expect Paul to do very well with the values voters that went out of their way to show up at a values voters forum?

Remember, Paul is pulling from moderate Republicans, Fiscally Conservative Republicans, Non neo con Republicans who still believe in a non interventionists foreign Policy, Democrats, Independents and Third party voters who are all re-registering republican to vote for him in the primaries. They will be there and the results will be better then in the GOP fund raising polls, because it costs nothing to vote in the primaries!

How he did in that on site values voters poll shows nothing much indicating how Paul will fair in the primaries overall.


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7546806 - 10/22/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
Quote:

SoY said:

I love how you are so wrapped up in your conception of Paul as a nobody that you continue to state with 100% certainty that all polls showing him at less than 5% are absolutely accurate while the 16 straw polls in which he placed in the top three were all rigged....




Its not just me saying the straw poll was rigged. Are you in any way clued in to what you're talking about? I'm referring to the Value Voters straw poll that was held a few days ago.

The vote was supposed to be taken by the people actually physically present. You know, people there to vote? Like a regular election would be?

But a few days before the poll, the organizers decided to let internet votes count for the same weight as the people who were actually there. The results from the two are not in any way, shape, or form similar to each other.

If you count people who actually took the time to go there, like people in an actual primary would have to do, I think Paul was in 5th or 6th place. Not third. I think he got 3 votes from people actually THERE. Everything else was internet schwag.

You cant vote in the primary online, kids. At some point, some of these Ron Paul supporters are going to have to leave their house...




and hopefully, when the time comes, we will.


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7546976 - 10/22/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Who would expect Paul to do very well with the values voters that went out of their way to show up at a values voters forum?




No one really :wink:

To be honest.. I think Ron Paul's only chance is that maybe people might actually realize that RON PAUL and GULIANI are the only candidates that can DRAW DEMOCRAT votes away from voting democrat.

It's funny how all the republicans are BOOING Ron Paul at debates because of his views on Iraq.... when it's GULIANI who represents the BIGGEST leap away from modern conservatism.

I want Ron Paul to win.. and I think he's got a fighitng chance now when he didn't a few months ago.

In the end, I still think it's going to end up being Guliani and Hillary in a close race. Ron Paul has the biggest support amonst the Internet Population.. but I think it's this population that is the youngest and least likely to vote.


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7547106 - 10/22/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Paul/Craig 2008


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: afoaf]
    #7547111 - 10/22/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Colbert/Corky from life goes on 08


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7547185 - 10/22/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, the values voters were even low enough to boo what over 70% of the Americans want.

Yes, Gillian is not a social conservative by any means, and his support of this war automatically renders him someone who will not be a fiscal conservative either.

He is not the Guy to take on Hillary in the debates. He is to much like her except for the Health care issue. She has MUCH to discredit him with.

Ron Paul would go up against Hillary and Slam her for voting in support of this war, and her signing bills paving the way to bomb Iran next. He'll call her out and expose her for the lying, coruupt, constituion trampling, hypocrite fraud she is. He would destroy her credibility.

Giuliani can't do that because if he slams her for her voting in support with this war and bombing Iran, he slams himself in the process.

That's the big issue with Americans- the war.

Next is the economy. Paul would SLAM Hillary to the floor with her Big Government Big Spending, raise taxes programs, which he would call her out for being a Lying Hypocrite for when she says "we must cherish the Constitution" . Her program ideas trample all over it.
He would call her out on being Ridiculously Insane regarding being Fiscally Irresponsible, for proposing to increase taxes and Big spending, when Americans who are not of the elite wealth, are already taxed to death, and the nation is trillions of dollars in debt.

He is the ONLY Republican who can destroy her in the debates.

Paul vs Clinton in the debates would be the smack down of the Century.

Poll after poll after poll show over 70% of Americans want us out of this war in Iraq, and they no longer have trust or reason to believe why we would bomb Iran. We heard the WPDs scare once and it was Bull. Some are falling for it a second time, yet most have had enough of the BS coming out of Washington.

If Hillary supporters bothered to look at her voting record and the Bills she signs, "actions over words" they would see, they will not get what they think they are voting for, regarding getting rid of the nation building war mongerers. If they bothered to look at the FEC report, and saw that she received more contributions from the Military Industrial Complex then any other candidate running, they may start to fire off some brain synapses.

Still a lot of time to create a lot of waves of change.

I just got my custom ordered Ron Paul Football Jersey in the mail. It looks awesome! I can't wait to wear it everywhere!:cool:


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Re: ron paul's downfall would be his running mate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7547373 - 10/22/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Looking at Hildogs (lol) fund raising number... pretty staggering, I think I saw 35 million vs Paul's 5 million

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