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Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq
    #7542846 - 10/21/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I am wondering if there is a website out there, that shows the events of the war in Iraq (or even the entire "War on Terror") and provides...

1)The way conservatives viewed and retold the events
2)The way liberals viewed and retold the events
3)The way different news broadcasts reported the event
4)The way the leader of either nation viewed the even
5)The way a soldier/witness described the event

the goal being to show all sides of the story in one convenient location, and allow the reader to decide who to trust.

If this isn't around it really should be. I think the events of this war have been extremely fabricated upon by all parties. I think the only true way to report it, would be to collect everyones stand point , point out the contradictions, and show the facts.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Spanki]
    #7542998 - 10/21/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Try reading something Non-American then.

There are plenty of English-Language sources from outside the United States that couldn't give two shits about liberal/conservative/communist/fascist.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Spanki]
    #7543254 - 10/21/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7543454 - 10/21/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, no matter what media you get your news from, it's always got some bias to it. Even euronews "no comment" section is still subject to edits and thus whilst it doesn't have any narrative bias, it still is subject to the editors whims.

Just read the news, look for independent journalists that publish articles that the mainstream ignores (I always find it strange how a 24 hour news channel will repeat the same dozen stories all day long during the hourly bulletins, when there's many more noteworthy events happening during the day) and accept that if it's news, it's got bias.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7543595 - 10/21/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Al-Jazeera's English site is one of the better sources for accurate information (on this specific topic or anything Middle East).

http://english.aljazeera.net/English




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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7543619 - 10/21/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hey, you may not like the spin, but its no worse than whatever Fascist rag you get your information from...


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Spanki]
    #7543844 - 10/21/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.antiwar.com/
Here's a site that brings together a lot of articles from all over the place. Scroll down to view war related news sorted by country.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7543955 - 10/21/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Here's a site that brings together a lot of articles from all over the place. Scroll down to view war related news sorted by country.




Hey, thanks a lot man. Looks like a helpful site.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7544060 - 10/21/07 06:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7544121 - 10/21/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7544149 - 10/21/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Unbiased, that is the assertion you made, it is hillarious. that it is all.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7544888 - 10/21/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7545186 - 10/21/07 11:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, you are right. the word you used was "accurate".
sorry, my bad.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7546275 - 10/22/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey, you may not like the spin, but its no worse than whatever Fascist rag you get your information from...




Ummm, he put it out as UNBIASED. Capisce?

I get info from a myriad of sources. The NY Times, that famous fascist rag, is delivered daily to my door. And I read it. For evidence of MSM perfidy. If I find an unvarnished fact I keep it. I read the NY Post and several blogs that I have found to be reliable. National Review is helpful while the New Republic has shown itself to be unreliable. Wall Street Journal is good.

You have this ridiculous notion that I am a fascist because I don't want the gov't take my money and give it to you. Heh. Who looks like a fascist now.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7546294 - 10/22/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Where does the word 'unbiased' show up in my posts in this thread prior to this one? I said 'most accurate'. Given that every news medium has some kind of a bias to one degree or another, I stand by my assertion.




Although the thread title is a plea for unbiased sources you choose to ignore that and then try to hide behind some fiction that al Jazeera is accurate because it is not run by "white men in suits". You can stand by your assertion that it is accurate all you want. Actually, you are more likely to stand under the avalanche of evidence that it is the terrorists' mouthpiece and an agent of Islamofascist propoanda. I do believe they had a piercing report about how Jews use the blood of Arab babies to make matzoh and on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They are an Islamofascist propaganda organization.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7546334 - 10/22/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> You can stand by your assertion that it is accurate all you want.

From a science standpoint there are two concerns, accuracy and precision. Al Jazeera is very accurate in their bias. Unfortunately, they lack precision in objectivity. This means that they are accurate in writing misleading news stories. I read Al Jazeera every morning, the same as Fox News and CNN, to get several different nicely biased viewpoints of world politics.

Getting back to the original topic:

> I am wondering if there is a website out there, that shows the events of the war in Iraq (or even the entire "War on Terror") and provides...

None that I am aware of. There are certainly some good blogs out there written by people that are in the middle of the mess that provide an unbiased view of what it is really like, but nothing that I have seen meets the criteria you listed.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Seuss]
    #7546997 - 10/22/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Michael Yon?


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7547178 - 10/22/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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EntheogenicPeace said:
Al-Jazeera's English site is one of the better sources for accurate information (on this specific topic or anything Middle East).

http://english.aljazeera.net/English




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yea that's a pretty funny one


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Spanki]
    #7547236 - 10/22/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I get the sneaking suspicion that we're doing someone's homework for them...


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: afoaf]
    #7547653 - 10/22/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I get the sneaking suspicion that we're doing someone's homework for them...




Beats the fuck out of letting the perfessers run the show.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7551621 - 10/23/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7552069 - 10/23/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That wouldn't actually be my reason for being suspicious of their impartiality. But you can keep making shit up and trying to change the terms of the narrative. I'll keep pointing it out.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7552445 - 10/23/07 07:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7554213 - 10/24/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Two of the top 5 headlines on CNN's Middle East page right this instant involve civilian casualties in Iraq.

It took me literally 10 seconds to find.

Where are you looking?


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Spanki]
    #7554303 - 10/24/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I am wondering if there is a website out there, that shows the events of the war in Iraq (or even the entire "War on Terror") and provides...

1)The way conservatives viewed and retold the events
2)The way liberals viewed and retold the events
3)The way different news broadcasts reported the event
4)The way the leader of either nation viewed the even
5)The way a soldier/witness described the event

the goal being to show all sides of the story in one convenient location, and allow the reader to decide who to trust.

If this isn't around it really should be. I think the events of this war have been extremely fabricated upon by all parties. I think the only true way to report it, would be to collect everyones stand point , point out the contradictions, and show the facts.




I think what you are describing, a sort of God's eye view of the war, would indeed be insightful but might not be possible. Can you describe any war in simple terms that satisfy every view point? :shrug:

But if you find something good, please share.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7554700 - 10/24/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What would you guys consider the least biased news source out there?

Fox news? FAUX NEWS? HAH!. Their flagship show is run by a guy who yells at people to shut up when they disagree with him?

CNN? LOL! The communist news network? The day before the 2004 election they had a headline story about how some flyer that shows Bush speaking in front of troops was photoshopped to make it look like there were more soldiers. I mean who the FUCK would give a FUCK about that except for someone who was trying to sway voter opinion. That story wouldn't even be newsworthy enough for a high school newspaper.

I read both CNN and FOX NEWS's websites pretty regularly. Usually if I want to hear something without any spin though, I turn to the BBC.

I like NPR because I think their news is pretty matter of fact and they at least TRY to get quotes from both sides of the fence, but their talk shows definately aren't. I'm not a fan of Bill O'Reilly (although I think he's amusing) but O'Reilly was right when he got pissed off and hung up on them a couple years ago during an interview. They drilled him with all these accusations, making him defend himself when they pretty much gave Al Franken a free-ride, not questioning anything written by him.

O'Reily is an asshole. Independant my ass. At least Limbaugh knows he's a right wing dickhead.

and

Al Franken is a whiney douche. Just ask Gene Simmons.

anwhooo.. that last bit was off topic I guess.



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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7555826 - 10/24/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7558733 - 10/25/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I dont know you could watch the news and NOT know these things.

You'd have to be a total fucking moron. In that case, I doubt even a flashing "Tens Of Thousands of Civilians Killed" graphic in the middle of the screen would help you.


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7560494 - 10/25/07 07:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I get the sneaking suspicion that we're doing someone's homework for them...




:grin: I see where you are coming from. But naw this isnt for any school or anything like that. I just like to make a forum post about this sort of stuff while I research it myself. I figure everyone else has probably done similar research and looked themselves, so I can probably learn a lot from them. Sorry if I come across as greedy or something liek that :wink:


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Re: Unbiased Account of The War In Iraq [Re: Spanki]
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http://www.jihadchat.com/index.php?act=idx

http://www.apostatesofislam.com

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http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/index.php

http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/

http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/index.php

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http://islam-watch.org/CommunityServer/forums/default.aspx

http://islam-watch.org


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http://www.islam-watch.org/

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/

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http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/moslem.htm

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

http://atheism.about.com/cs/islamandviolence/

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/17/martyr.culture/index.html

http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html

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http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

http://www.arabsforisrael.com

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http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/Islam.html

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http://www.truthtree.com/Debating/posts/755.html

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http://www.factsandlogic.org

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http://www.venusproject.com/prophet_of_doom/toc.html

http://www.venusproject.com/prophet_of_doom/quotes1.html#terrorism

http://www.pmw.org.il/

http://tinyurl.com/ydc9qj




According to these links the Quran has been changed over time.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-koran-manuscripts.htm

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter8/3.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/

http://www.jodkowski.pl/re/MBright.html

http://cremesti.com/amalid/Islam/Yemeni_Ancient_Koranic_Texts.htm

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