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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? [Re: deucedbi9]
    #7546655 - 10/22/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i dont know about you guys. but when this guy simmers... even for 5 min. all the kernels burst.. its definately not necessary to simmer. if anything.. if u'r that impatient, boil the water first..take it off heat.. then use that hot water to initiate the soaking phase. they wont burst. but you should still soak for at least 12 hours. and rinse thoroughly.

refer to agars posts. and even without simmering.. you should allow to dry for 30 min.. flipping around the seeds in the strainer every 10 or so min to evenly dry them (on the outside)


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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? [Re: deucedbi9]
    #7549785 - 10/23/07 01:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ok, general consensus seems to be soak and no simmer. and it seems like soak for more than 24 hours is the way to go since im not simmering. so i think ill go about anywhere from 36-48 hour soak.

now my PC is only 10 psi, how long should i PC?

and ill drain longer, and actually do a moisture test

all sound ok?


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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? [Re: just me]
    #7549900 - 10/23/07 03:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

the consensus is to soak for at least 24 hours.
the only reason i don't is that the first time i used wbs was really just to get a feel for it.
i decided it looked ok (total newb :rolleyes:) and might as well throw caution to the wind and innoc with one of the two lc's i had in the fridge.
to my surprise 4 days later there was little patches of myc growth all through the jars,another 3 and they were ready to shake and went on to completion 3/4 days later.
so figured if it works why change.

as for your 10psi cooker i think an extra 15/20 mins (on top of the usual 90 would be ample.
and definitely the moisture test agar posted (the link i gave in last post) is a good way to go.
hope it works out this time.

what i don't get is...WTF happened to the endospores !


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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? [Re: deucedbi9]
    #7549994 - 10/23/07 05:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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what i don't get is...WTF happened to the endospores !



what do you mean? is this pertaining to my situation?

i filled my wbs up this morining for soaking, plan on 36 hours, given im home at the right time, then PC'ing for 2 hours @ 10psi

i also have some popcorn getting VERY colonized, when do i shake? is it necessary? take a look, this is both sides of one jar







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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? [Re: just me]
    #7550056 - 10/23/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

the reason for the long soak,apart from hydrating the grain,is to germinate the endospores so that they are more susceptible to the heat,giving us a "window of opportunity" to beat the bacteria and enable our myc to win the race to colonize the grain.
i was just stating that i haven't found it necessary,and throwing the question out there for any-one who may have an answer...
is the need for the soak being overstated?

your jars are looking good and ready to shake,it redistributes the colonized grain and helps to speed up completion.


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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? [Re: deucedbi9]
    #7550073 - 10/23/07 06:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The need to soak is not overstated. Some batches of grains have many more endospores than others. It also matters the region the grains were grown in. Many factors are involved, but soaking makes sure they're taken care of. If you have a grain supply that works fine without a soak, then don't bother soaking.

The other reason for soaking first is to slowly hydrate the grains so they don't burst. Burst kernels release starch and other goo that will slow down colonization.
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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7550231 - 10/23/07 08:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i like to simmer, simmer only!! boiling it highly increases the chances of popped kernals. simmering makes me confident that most of the germinated endospores
will die while simmering and Pcing

yeah too wet buddy
WHAT i do is i towel dry them cause i fucking hate waiting for it to drain
after they are done load em up and cook
make sure the kernals are dry, because innoculating them will add some moisture
to the jars

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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? ///**Did I Fuck Up AGAIN??** [Re: wutang]
    #7558041 - 10/25/07 05:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

alright, second batch of WBS, this one was w/out simmering. used the exact same amount of grain, and came up 1 quart completely short, and then about a pint short on each jar individually(compare pics from original post)



procedure:
-i drained for over an hour, with towell drying also(did the spoon and hand test)
-pc'ed for 2 hours @ 10 psi
-let sit over night

problem:
-it smelled like my grains were cooking when i pc'ed
-the grains are darker than my other batch(after Pc'ing)
-after pc'ing, i shook, and water still came thru my tyvek, and polyfil, and wet my coffee filters
-a little water at the bottom of jars, but if i shake vigorously, it gets my tyvek too wet

bright side:
-at least theyre not busted and clumpy this time:tongue:

so what should i do?


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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? ///**Did I Fuck Up AGAIN??** [Re: just me]
    #7558044 - 10/25/07 05:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

btw, is it possible that my PC is boiling too much and splashing water into my grains?
i covered tightly with foil(only one layer)and only let the water come about an 1"-1 1/2" up the jars, so that by the time the PC was done, the water was almost level with the bottoms of the jars.

cuz i had them beeeches dry...or at least had them to spec


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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? ///**Did I Fuck Up AGAIN??** [Re: just me]
    #7558144 - 10/25/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

its best to rather have jars on the dry side rather than wet
dryness can be taken care of when innoculatiing
you only want the grains damp with spore solution
i dont mind the smell of cooked grains...


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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? ///**Did I Fuck Up AGAIN??** [Re: wutang]
    #7558218 - 10/25/07 07:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, i dont mind it at all, i just thought maybe i was cooking them instead of sterilizing them.

do they seem dry?

there is a tiny bit of water on the bottom, like if i tilt the jars for a few seconds, the water will slowly gather forming a small pool in the bottom tilted part

is that lil fat gangster you Wu? i think id have to punch you if i saw you


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Re: why's my wbs clumpy? ///**Did I Fuck Up AGAIN??** [Re: just me]
    #7558224 - 10/25/07 07:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ahahah fuck no
but i thought he looked fat and dumb and funny
theres a picture of him somewhere here..
lol..

shake the :goodluck:
hell out of your jar, i like to spins it clockwise in my hand making the grains spin around and then shake it all around, this will distribute all the wetness
when your ready just shoot it with 2cc
thats exactly what mine look like and i was worried that its too dry
nope it was perfect..


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