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#7542581 - 10/21/07 12:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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34-7.
With minutes to go in the SECOND QUARTER?
Geepers.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7542626 - 10/21/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder what his rating will be for this game. ESPN has it at 158.3 at halftime.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: PinballWizard]
#7542706 - 10/21/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've always been told that QB rating is pretty much worthless.
I think ESPN came up with it by just pulling together a bunch of statistics until they came up with something over 100.
But he is the best QB in the league, no doubt.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7542952 - 10/21/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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if anything, they haven't played a truely impressive defense yet.
I want to see them play pittsburgh's defense, or Redskins, or Balty.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7543381 - 10/21/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good point. Against them, they'll probably only win by 17 or so
I actually think that a late season loss, even if the main guys are on the sidelines for half the game or more, is good for a team, before now, HOWEVER....
I really believe this team is pissed off in a way that I can't really remember seeing in football. Let's be honest, they've run up the score in at least a couple of games (if not all) and are making sure the world KNOWS who the Alpha is.
That's what the NFL gets for catching them "cheating" and then questioning their titles.
I really believe that they are on a mission to go 16-0 and will do what it takes, including playing guys after home field is locked up, to get it done.
I think it's great to watch.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: whattheheck]
#7543495 - 10/21/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is fun to watch.
I was on my way out the door this afternoon when I saw the Pats-Miami game was just getting kicked off...
I ended up watching most of the first quarter, because it was just that compelling of a performance.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7543610 - 10/21/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm going to say I believe that they will run the table.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: whattheheck]
#7543751 - 10/21/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah but they do look scarey fucking good.
randy moss, just unstoppable.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7544797 - 10/21/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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They arent unstopable. Stop blowing them for a second and look at most of the teams they played. They had a couple good wins but most of the teams they have played are mediocre.
Indy beats New England
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7544827 - 10/21/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No team is unstoppable, but it takes an incredible team to consistently beat every team by a huge margin, week after week. I've never seen a team do what they've done this year.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7547195 - 10/22/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i cant wait till they play indy it should be a really interesting game.
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They are going to smoke Indianapolis.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7547463 - 10/22/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Indy's defense is good
but they BARELY got away with that playoff win.
Randy Moss creates a completely different offense.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7547544 - 10/22/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Two weeks...
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Deadmaker]
#7549176 - 10/22/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Krystal Klear]
#7549821 - 10/23/07 01:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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peyton manning > tom brady
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I dont see how anyone can say that.
Manning always has teams with an absolutely stacked offense.
This is the first year that Brady has a decent offense, and his numbers are blowing Manning AWAY.
I think he has 5 more touchdowns this year so far than Manning had in his record setting year?
If he doesn't break the touchdown record, I'll be shocked...
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7551118 - 10/23/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: I dont see how anyone can say that.
Manning always has teams with an absolutely stacked offense.
This is the first year that Brady has a decent offense, and his numbers are blowing Manning AWAY.
I think he has 5 more touchdowns this year so far than Manning had in his record setting year?
If he doesn't break the touchdown record, I'll be shocked...
You are ill-informed. Manning has 3 seasons with more than 27 TDs which is about where Brady is at. Peyton has 49, 33 and 31 TD's in seasons. Brady is on his way to break the 49 season but he hasnt yet.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7551162 - 10/23/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont think anything I said was wrong.
Maybe I just phrased it funny.
I meant that Brady has more touchdowns now than Manning did at this point in his record-setting season.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7551321 - 10/23/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah ok. That makes more sense.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7551392 - 10/23/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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although it should be mentioned
that the pats have been playing some weak competition in the jets, browns, dolphins, heavily overrated cowboys...
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7552918 - 10/23/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: I dont see how anyone can say that.
Manning always has teams with an absolutely stacked offense.
This is the first year that Brady has a decent offense, and his numbers are blowing Manning AWAY.
I think he has 5 more touchdowns this year so far than Manning had in his record setting year?
If he doesn't break the touchdown record, I'll be shocked...
stacked in terms of stats, however you could argue the only reason those around him were that good, is that he was on the team. look at james, posting up 1800+ yard seasons with the colts, post-manning he hasnt done shit. he is doing alright this year but nowhere near the numbers he'd put up with the colts. same thing with harrison and wayne, how do you know they would be pro-bowlers had it not been for manning. also consider peyton manning calls his own plays. only a few qbs have ever been able to do that. nothing against brady he is ridiculously good, i just think that if he was on another team he wouldn't have been as successful as he is. although you might be able to argue the same thing about manning idk. either way by that i mean the pats have had a strong d for a while and the colts have just started to win with theirs. also he has belicheck which i give slight advantage over dungy ->more rings
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however you could argue the only reason those around him were that good, is that he was on the team. look at james, posting up 1800+ yard seasons with the colts, post-manning he hasnt done shit.
James never made 1800 yards. He broke 1500 a couple times with the Colts. Any player on a good team will play better than they would on a weak team, obviously. James went from a team with a great O-line to a team with a weak O-line, and he's currently the third leading rusher in the league, on pace for 1300-1400 yards.
Brady and Manning are both fantastic, and we get to see them at their best because they are both on great offenses right now. I don't know who's the better quarterback, but the Pats are the better team.
Not sure what my point was there ...
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7554763 - 10/24/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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1500 running but he had 1800+ total yards 4 times with the colts i mean
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edge was a monster no doubt
but it is funny how players don't do nearly as well once they change teams.
Or how players do much better once they join a better team.
If edge went to a team with a better OL, and a decent passing game, say Dallas...
he'd probably produce the same, but who knows. It's really impossible to predict those kinds of things unless the circumstances are extreme.
Imagine what Barry Sanders could've done behind Dallas' O-line of the 90's...
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7555172 - 10/24/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Imagine what Barry Sanders could've done behind Dallas' O-line of the 90's...
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7559988 - 10/25/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I remember that one year, they showed what Emmit would have gained if he had just been tackled at the point where he was first touched and it was around 850 yards. So yeah, dude ran for 1300 or whatever, but HE gained maybe 550 of it.
Emmit would have been out of the league in 5 years of he had Walter Payton's line during his first 5 year, and Walter would have gone for 2000 a year with the 90's Dallas teams.
Ifs and buts.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: whattheheck]
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ha! the pats may be unstoppable right now but wait till they play us (the skins) this sunday and are defense takes the ball from them and shoves it up there cheating asses
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: dutchmushroom]
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i'll give you guys SOME credit.
Redskins defense is probably the strongest secondary Brady has faced this season.
It will be an interesting matchup on that side of the ball.
Jason Cambell against Patriot's defense with the return of Richard Seymoor....ehhhh not so much.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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yeah if the skins offense played as well as are deffense i don't think we would have lost yet,
i think the pats are probly over looking the redskins, and looking to there game next week against the colts, i think they will come into the game cocky as hell, and i think that cocky'ness will surve them up there first loss
and remember if i talk shit about a team, i am insulting them not you or any other fan (not directed at anybody really)
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: dutchmushroom]
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That's pretty stupid to say. The Patriots are well known for focusing on the task at hand. I don't think that they are overlooking anything.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Deadmaker]
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killme said: That's pretty stupid to say. The Patriots are well known for focusing on the task at hand. I don't think that they are overlooking anything.

They're probably better at focusing than anyone, if their record says anything about it.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: dutchmushroom]
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I'm a Bears/Bronco's guy, so hey, more power to the skins!!
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: dutchmushroom]
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idk man i think the skins are going to get rolled. they haven't really played any tough opponents yet. in general i think the teams with good records in the nfc are highly overrated. i mean look at who they played, they could barely beat the dolphins, given this was the first game of the season, but that is possibly one of the worst teams ever and are prob going to go 0-16. either way the real super bowl is going to be when the pats and colts matchup in the afc championship game, right now those two teams are in a class by themselves.
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i just dont like the pats, they seem cocky and overrated (by that i mean everyone talks about them and how great they are, not over rated as in they suck but everyone thinks there good) i mean what is there record now 5 and 0? or 6 and 0? well either way they could still go 5 and 11 or 6 and 10, its not over till its over,
i have a strong feeling that one of the skins linebackers is gonna injure brady or one of the other star players on there team, and ruin there season
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: dutchmushroom]
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strong FEELING or strong desire?
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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I don't think it's even going to be a competition next week; Pats'll just keep rolling.
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people say the colts might win but that's just to keep some suspense in the league
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7571533 - 10/28/07 11:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Supposedly it's because the Patriots can't run. How would we know? Why does a team need to run? Still, it's VERY cool to have a game that EVERYONE will be watching and have a vested interest in. You know they both want this bad. It has a playoff type feel to it.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: whattheheck]
#7571864 - 10/29/07 05:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Peyton Manning is a better quarter back, no matter what numbers Tom Brady puts up... he is inconsistent season by season.
I pick the colts... but is a tough call.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7572209 - 10/29/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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When has Tom Brady ever been inconsistent?
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anyone could be a great QB with Moss as a receiver.
just throw it as far as you can and moss catches it.
on a side note, Brees is the QB of the week.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: SneezingPenis]
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The various Raiders qbs weren't.
Brady's also spreading the ball to Welker and Stallworth. Granted they're probably free a bit more, with the defense having to take Moss into consideration.
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Le Narrateur said: When has Tom Brady ever been inconsistent?

Even Manning chokes from time to time... Brady is rock solid.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7572359 - 10/29/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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He is totally unflappable. Blitzing doesn't matter at all unless you get him on his back before he gets the ball off, because he will never so much as bat an eyelash at an all-out blitz.
Manning has thrown some nasty long-balls this season, though. He had two or three yesterday where the placement was so good it was just unfair for the corner.
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Le Narrateur said: When has Tom Brady ever been inconsistent?
I said season to season. He usually doesnt go 6-0. The Pats lose a lot of games each year because of brady. This year is different because Brady can make bad throws (which he does) but rather than dropping it Moss brings it in or wrestles it out of a defenders hand. Brady is NOT rock solid.
But I will say that Brady is definately the best quarterback to play in any big game. He has a harder time losing in the playoffs than he does in the regular season.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7573227 - 10/29/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, it's still kind of foolish to say outright that Manning's better than Brady.
Manning's always had the better recievers. He's had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne.
Whose Brady had before this year? Fucking Deion Branch
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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You've got to be out of your fucking mind to think he's not solid.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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Le Narrateur said: When has Tom Brady ever been inconsistent?
I said season to season. He usually doesnt go 6-0. The Pats lose a lot of games each year because of brady. This year is different because Brady can make bad throws (which he does) but rather than dropping it Moss brings it in or wrestles it out of a defenders hand. Brady is NOT rock solid.
It almost sounds as if you don't watch football.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7575152 - 10/30/07 12:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tom Brady wears foppish hats and probably uses like, facial creams and shit. How can anyone respect a man who uses facial creams? srsly.
Peyton is a goddamn robot, if my nigger doesn't beat the Pats this week I'll be in shock and WILL kill my labrador who I hate because she sheds like an ashy nigger on welfare.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7575173 - 10/30/07 12:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said: I don't know who's the better quarterback, but the Pats are the better team.
Is this simply based on your personal perception or do you have some detailed statistical analysis to back up your assessment that the Pats are better than the Colts? Both teams have top ten rated offense and defense. The Colts have played a tougher schedule. At best it's a wash all the way around.
Or are you one of these twats who gets a boner anytime he sees a football team running the spread offense with success? Let me guess, you love Texas Tech, Purdue and Northwestern a ton. They run a college offense for christsakes.
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While I'm feeling a little OTD'ed by Paulie here in the Sports forum, as much as the destruction that the Pats have put on top of their opponents so far, the Colts have a very real chance in this game. Very real.
What's the line?? And the Colts are at home yes??
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: whattheheck]
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colts win. pats meet their match with a quality opponent. peyton > brady. brady = overrated. his team and coaching have carried his ass, he has absurd pass protection and outstanding receivers hence why hes putting up crazy numbers. manning can do it without that. brady has more rings, but put brady on the colts and he doesnt do nearly as well as manning does. manning is a much better deep threat qb, he can hit a home run falling back running from defenders. if you don't believe me, go back and watch the pats and colts game last season. manning flushed out the the pocket is falling back due to a huge lineman and rockets a 50yd bomb right on the money. it was a fucking laser pass, brady couldnt do that, thats all im saying.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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Le Narrateur said: When has Tom Brady ever been inconsistent?
I said season to season. He usually doesnt go 6-0. The Pats lose a lot of games each year because of brady. This year is different because Brady can make bad throws (which he does) but rather than dropping it Moss brings it in or wrestles it out of a defenders hand. Brady is NOT rock solid.
It almost sounds as if you don't watch football.
It sounds like you dont watch football if you are defending Brady. Watch every game this season, he under throws virtually every pass of 20+ yards. If he wasnt throwing to guys that could catch (or in the direction of shitty secondaries) he would not have the amount of completions. Go back to the Miami game, you cant tell me those passes to moss in the endzone were good. Thats why they were incredible catches... the throws fucking sucked. Put Champ Bailey or Dre Bly in that same coverage and those passes are all picked off. But... the pats havent really beaten any good teams other than the Chargers.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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yeah and the pats did a bunch of fakes when they played the skins sunday, the one that really pissed me off was the fake spike that they got a touch down off of,
and i dont see how anyone can be a fan of such a pretty boy-super model dating-faggot-likes to take it up the ass- guy like brady,
i think thats either lip stick or masscara that he wears at games on his cheeks,
i would love to see how shit brady would be if you put him with a worthless team like.. o maybe.. the 'FIns
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Is this simply based on your personal perception or do you have some detailed statistical analysis to back up your assessment that the Pats are better than the Colts? Both teams have top ten rated offense and defense. The Colts have played a tougher schedule. At best it's a wash all the way around.
Personal perception. Statistics cannot show who is the better team. Next week will give us a better litmus test. Indy is at home; we'll see what they can do. By the end of the season it will be clear, one way or the other.
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Or are you one of these twats who gets a boner anytime he sees a football team running the spread offense with success? Let me guess, you love Texas Tech, Purdue and Northwestern a ton. They run a college offense for christsakes.
I hate college offense. I like conservative, defense-based teams. The Pats just happen to have an incredible offense this year.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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He had a few poor throws last game. Most quarterbacks have more than a few. When you have a receiver like Moss, you can get away with throws you might not make to anyone else. The bottom line is that he is consistently successful at the QB position, which is incredibly rare.
BTW Champ Bailey and Dre Bly both got owned last night for a touchdown each.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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the pats havent really beaten any good teams other than the Chargers.
Really? Dallas isn't a good team?
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i find it absolutely HILARIOUS how people are trying to criticize Brady's QBing.
"He throws bad passes"
"Without Moss he's a shitty QB"
wow, 3 SuperBowls, HOW many passing TD's has he had?
Look, i'm a steelers fan, so i've hated Brady for a VERY long time.
But I'm not stupid enough to be unable to recognize an extraordinary talent.
He's had 30 TD's and 2 INT's this season, so far.
Unlike Dm, whose just bitter that his team got absolutely demoralized, I dont let my fan loyalties blind me from recognizing the Montana of our time.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7576772 - 10/30/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said: He had a few poor throws last game. Most quarterbacks have more than a few. When you have a receiver like Moss, you can get away with throws you might not make to anyone else. The bottom line is that he is consistently successful at the QB position, which is incredibly rare.
BTW Champ Bailey and Dre Bly both got owned last night for a touchdown each.
Go read the Brett Favre thread I bring up the fact they got stepped on... however, I said in that exact same coverage of the Miami game, 9 out of 10 times those TD passes would be picked off by a good corner like Bailey or Bly. Im not defending them saying no one can throw on them, thats just not true. But, this is about the pats so I wont go on a rant about the Broncs.
Just to clarify, I am not saying he is a shitty QB... he makes bad throws and is saved by his recievers. Even in the seasons he won 3 superbowls he threw a lot of bad/sloppy passes. He has been lucky enough to have pretty good recievers so that when he does make mistakes he still gets the stats.
Other than this season, if I was to choose a QB for a Football team I am coaching, I much rather have Peyton Manning than Tom Brady.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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Brady has more than just a slim chance of having more Super Bowls than any other Quarterback. He has a real shot of getting more than Montana did, more than Bradshaw did, more than Aikman did. That's more than Peyton Manning can say at this point in his career.
Oh, did I mention that Brady has played 2 less seasons than Peyton Manning?
He'c calm under pressure. Manning gets rattled pretty badly whenever he gets knocked around. Oh yeah, he can play in snow too. The Colts would have never won the Super Bowl if they didn't play in a dome. It's an undeniable fact that Peyton Manning can not play in cold weather.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Deadmaker]
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Its an undeniable fact that are all sucking Brady's dick only because of this season. I hate band wagon fans. Someone find me the link to this discussion last season or the season before that, or the season before that. You wont be able to because there isnt one. Brady is having a good season against bad teams.
And yes, the Cowboys arent as difficult to beat. They are only good because they are in the NFC. Look at the NFC, no shit they are doing well. The pats beat the Chargers who I consider a good team as whole, but even that win wasnt that great since the Chargers didnt even show up to 3 of their games this season.
Pats and Brady are over rated.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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AaronEvil said: Its an undeniable fact that are all sucking Brady's dick only because of this season. I hate band wagon fans.
Oh bullshit. This argument started because somebody made the ridiculous claim that Brady is inconsistent. I am not a Pats fan, but I know a good QB when I see one.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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AaronEvil said: Its an undeniable fact that are all sucking Brady's dick only because of this season. I hate band wagon fans. Someone find me the link to this discussion last season or the season before that, or the season before that. You wont be able to because there isnt one. Brady is having a good season against bad teams.
And yes, the Cowboys arent as difficult to beat. They are only good because they are in the NFC. Look at the NFC, no shit they are doing well. The pats beat the Chargers who I consider a good team as whole, but even that win wasnt that great since the Chargers didnt even show up to 3 of their games this season.
Pats and Brady are over rated.
I am not kissing up. I just have to admit, that considering my team has sucked longer now than the Patriots, if we were to run off 3 titles in 6 years, and people started calling us out aka snitching, about something EVERYONE does and we started doing to them what the Pats are doing to everyone, I would love it. As it is, the QB argument MY team has is "Brian Griese or Rex Grossman??" I WISH, oh GOD do I WISH, I had the problem of, "hmmm, we're winning by 40 (again) we really should get our starter out of there".
I've followed Manning since he was a freshman as I am a Vols fan. And after the bears, I've always followed the Colts, and would I take him over Brady? You bet. Does Brady suck?
Come on bro. Even with mascara, that he probably got off of a supermodel, he's in the HOF. RIGHT NOW!!!
I just hope he doesn't get his shoulder broke by some angry defensive player while they're running it up. It WILL happen if they don't knock it off.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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And yes, the Cowboys arent as difficult to beat. They are only good because they are in the NFC. Look at the NFC, no shit they are doing well. The pats beat the Chargers who I consider a good team as whole, but even that win wasnt that great since the Chargers didnt even show up to 3 of their games this season.
Pats and Brady are over rated.
They're still 6-1 and currently the top team in the NFC.
"They are only good because they are in the NFC" - they're still GOOD. You can't deny that they're a quality team all around.
It seems like your definition of a "good" NFL team would only fit about 4-5 teams in the entire league.
Beating Dallas isn't difficult? Which is why only the patriots have beat them this year?
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Thank you for mis quoting me.
I didnt say Brady sucked. I simply said, season to season he is incosistent. Try arguing that he was as good last season as he is this season... he wasnt. His team carries him sometimes.
As for the cowboys being 6-1, so is Greenbay. If you even try to tell me Greenbay is an amazing team then you officially lose all credibility. A teams record only reflects who they play. In both cases they are in the NFC and play more NFC than AFC teams.
I think the 14-2 season the Chargers has last year was more impressive than the Pats, Dallas, and Greenbay records this year. The Chargers actually had to play tough teams last season. I dont think beating teams like Miami by 30-40 points is impressive. Its Miami not the Colts.
In anycase, you guys really dont seem to know stats or records from previous years otherwise we wouldnt be having this discussion.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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AaronEvil said: Thank you for mis quoting me.
I didnt say Brady sucked. I simply said, season to season he is incosistent. Try arguing that he was as good last season as he is this season... he wasnt. His team carries him sometimes.
You also were talking about how he throws sloppy passes....EVERY QB throws sloppy passes. Season to season he's inconsistent? Why, because he doesn't win the superbowl EVERY YEAR? Dude he's made the playoffs ever since stepping in for Bledsoe.
Every single season he's played, he's had solid numbers, solid TD-INT ratio, never has he ever thrown more INT's than TD's in a month.
"try to say he was as good last season as he is this season" so BECAUSE he's having a MONSTER season this year compared to past years....he's INCONSISTENT?
that's basically what you're getting at.
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As for the cowboys being 6-1, so is Greenbay. If you even try to tell me Greenbay is an amazing team then you officially lose all credibility. A teams record only reflects who they play. In both cases they are in the NFC and play more NFC than AFC teams.
Are you retarded? Did you not see your ORIGINAL post saying that San Diego was the only "good" team the Pats beat this year.
"Good" team
here let me repeat myself
"Good" team. Not "amazing". "Good" team.
Dallas, is a "good" team. As I had said. Did I say they were AMAZING? Did I? No.
So stop trying to make a point out of nothing. Dallas is a "good" team. something you failed to point out when bitching about who the Pats have beat this year.
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In anycase, you guys really dont seem to know stats or records from previous years otherwise we wouldnt be having this discussion.
Really....notice how you're the only one in this thread aside from Dm, the bitter Redskins fan, whose trying to bash Brady. Oh i guess it's because none of us have been watching the NFL untill 2007 except YOU, right? 
Just admit it, you're a bitter Chargers fan whose pissed that the Pats knocked you out of the playoffs last year. It's pretty hard to come to terms with, I know...
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7577643 - 10/30/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the 14-2 season the Chargers has last year was more impressive than the Pats, Dallas, and Greenbay records this year. The Chargers actually had to play tough teams last season. I dont think beating teams like Miami by 30-40 points is impressive. Its Miami not the Colts.

Last year, the Charger's hadn't beaten a playoff bound team untill week 15.
In fact, up untill week 10, they had not beaten a single team with a winning record.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7578965 - 10/30/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im not bitter that the Chargers lost to the Pats. I am not bitter they lost to the Jes. I am not bitter they lost to the 49ers in the Superbowl. Im not bashing Brady, I am telling you to get his dick out of your mouth because fame and fortune is not sexually transmitted (AIDS is).
My main thesis... going back a few pages is that Brady is not as good as his numbers show and that the Pats are not Unstoppable. So fuck you very much. I get it, you like dick in your butt and cum in your belly... Pats are not Unbeatable.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7578976 - 10/30/07 11:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your main thesis was also how the Charger's Record last year was more impressive because they beat more QUALITY opponents, right? 
The Chargers last year didn't even beat a playoff team untill week 15, and they didn't even beat any teams with winning records untill half the season was over.
You also said Pats have only played ONE good team....guess who they might be...oh wait, it's the Chargers!
Dallas isn't a good team, despite going 6-1. OMG YOU SAID THEY AMAZING NO THEY AIN'T YOU MUSN'T WATCH FOOTBALL.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7579300 - 10/31/07 02:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will admit Dallas is a good team and that is my mistake... but I will say that put Dallas up against most teams in the AFC and they will lose. Not JUST the Chargers but many AFC teams, its just stronger than the NFC. But you are wrong about my main thesis. Go back and read my original posts.
Conclusion: Tom Brady is over rated and you like to suck his dick along with everyone else in this thread (excluding myself and the redskins fan that wants to cry).
Im a Chargers fan but that doesnt mean I am 100% biased. The chargers are a good team and the Pats did beat them. I dont know why you cant accept that fact as unbiased. I never said the Chargers or any of their players (though I can name 2) are better than the Pats or any of their players.
But lets be honest... 14-2 is much more impressive than 7-0 or 8-0 (thus far) with a rookie (starting wise) QB no matter how good a single running back may be.
If I didnt say it before, Chicago last season and the 13-3 Ravens were much more impressive than the Pats this season. Both teams with shitty offenses still winning huge games. The Pats have an incredible team so its less impressive.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7580558 - 10/31/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL
so because the pats have an incredible team, that means its less impressive for them to win games...
are you listening to yourself here?
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7580633 - 10/31/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I didnt say it before, Chicago last season and the 13-3 Ravens were much more impressive than the Pats this season. Both teams with shitty offenses still winning huge games. The Pats have an incredible team so its less impressive.
I'm the biggest Bears fan in the world and that is utter nonsense.
I was scared to death that we would lose every single game last season, as was most of Chicago.
I not only have no doubt that NE will win every week, but I expect them to win by 20+.
That goes for this weekend against Indy as well...
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7580641 - 10/31/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stop sucking Brady's dick!
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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I do what I want!
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7580927 - 10/31/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: dutchmushroom]
#7581279 - 10/31/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have a strong feeling that one of the skins linebackers is gonna injure brady or one of the other star players on there team, and ruin there season
peace out Dm
Did you guys here Wilbon say on ESPN that if he were gettin the score run up on his team he would late hit Brady for the injury? I thought it was pretty hilarious.
I HATE the patriots and I really hope Indy wins but I think the pats are gonna pull it out. I think if the pats win the superbowl goodell should audit their cheating punishment and they should lose all of their draft picks for next season.
Ps. I can't believe people are saying Brady is over rated are you guys not watching the same games I am? Look I hate the guy too but he is fucking ridiculous.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: disturbed]
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ya i think people will be gunning for him. Shitty but thats football, hell you have enough tackles who just want to hurt people regardless of status.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7590041 - 11/03/07 01:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lets continue from the other thread. The Chargers played the following teams. Last season:
Raiders (are complete crap, obviously) Titans (went 8-8 and had a hot streak at the end of the season. Definately a good team) Ravens (one of the top 3 defenses last season; one could argue that their defense alone made them one of the toughest teams to beat. chargers lost) Stealers(Superbowl Champs coming into last season and chargers beat them) 49'ers (mediocre but not horrible) Chiefs (Terrible but they were projected to do very well especially with LJ, even this season I would say they are decent) Rams (One of the best offenses in terms of players) Browns (no excuse, they are bad) Bengals (One of the top 3 offenses in the NFL, very tough team with Ocho Cinco and Houshmenzada (sp?) plus Rudi Johnson and Henry) Broncos (Pretty good team last season especially towards the end when plummer was pulled, even though I liked him) Bills (another mediocre team) Seahawks(another very good team) Cardinals(not as good as projected so I will count them as a "bad" team)
Im not saying the entire NE schedule this season is easier, but they definately have 6 easy wins in their division which is piss poor. The only tough games they have coming up (in my opinion this season) is Indy and The Giants (though if you said Stealers I probably wouldnt put up too much of a fight).
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7590069 - 11/03/07 01:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Lets continue from the other thread. The Chargers played the following teams. Last season:
Raiders (are complete crap, obviously) Titans (went 8-8 and had a hot streak at the end of the season. Definately a good team) Ravens (one of the top 3 defenses last season; one could argue that their defense alone made them one of the toughest teams to beat. chargers lost) Stealers(Superbowl Champs coming into last season and chargers beat them) 49'ers (mediocre but not horrible) Chiefs (Terrible but they were projected to do very well especially with LJ, even this season I would say they are decent) Rams (One of the best offenses in terms of players) Browns (no excuse, they are bad) Bengals (One of the top 3 offenses in the NFL, very tough team with Ocho Cinco and Houshmenzada (sp?) plus Rudi Johnson and Henry) Broncos (Pretty good team last season especially towards the end when plummer was pulled, even though I liked him) Bills (another mediocre team) Seahawks(another very good team) Cardinals(not as good as projected so I will count them as a "bad" team)
The only playoff-bound teams that the Chargers beat last year was Seattle and Denver, both teams which would end being eliminated in the first playoff game.
The 49ers were mediocre yes, 7-9 last year
The steelers, yes they were super bowl champs, but that doesn't mean they were the same caliber of team the following season, which they clearly weren't.
The chiefs were pretty solid last year, they performed better than any of the teams the chargers had beaten up to this point in the season. But the chargers lost to them as well.
Rams were 8-8, another mediocre team.
Bengals ended up going 9-7 and missing the playoffs.
The point still remains, San Diego did not beat ANY team with a winning record untill week 10. So even though you can justify certain teams being "impressive wins" because of their offenses and projected performances, the bottom line is, the teams weren't that good last season, and the chargers did not beat any truely impressive teams last year.
And again i'll say, going up to week 8, where we are now, the chargers did not beat a SINGLE TEAM with a winning record last year. Not the mention, they lost both their games during this stretch.
While the patriots, not only went undefeated during the same time period, but also beat 3 teams with winning records.
I still don't know how you can say the Charger's run was more impressive when the patriots had beaten stronger teams, and have yet to lose.
I'll give you that, the Pats beat some pretty sorry teams in miami, cleveland, and cincinatti. But they did also beat more impressive teams than what the chargers faced up to week 8 last year.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7591870 - 11/03/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because a record obviously shows how good a team is as a whole. I hope you dont honestly believe that. If you do, I will stop arguing. But look at the players on the teams not the record. A number only shows you so much about a team. Like Kitna for instance, he is a pretty good quarterback but when you look at his numbers, 22TD 21INT, he doesnt look that good. Infact he looks mediocre in the grand scheme. Same with Donovan McNabb, his numbers this season are crap but if you look in previous seasons he has outstanding numbers (better than Manning and Brady up until the point he was injured). So dont tell me that 7-9 means a team sucks. It means they didnt win some games not that they suck.
Ill admit that the Chargers were overrated last season and coming into this season. We won most of the games last season because of LT blowing people out of the water. However, with that said it is more impressive to see a team that is not well rounded (receivers and quarterback, plus some inconsistent secondary)go 14-2. The Pats right now are the best team in the NFL even if they had lost a game by now... however, its less impressive to see them go undefeated thus far because of the teams they have played (with the exception of the 2 mentioned) and with the division they are in.
They wont 16-0 (no team ever has)and they wont win the Superbowl. My money right now is on the Colts for the Superbowl, but I think the pats will get knocked out before the AFC Championship game.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7591917 - 11/03/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Because a record obviously shows how good a team is as a whole. I hope you dont honestly believe that. If you do, I will stop arguing. But look at the players on the teams not the record. A number only shows you so much about a team.
A team's record doesn't show how good the team is? Wow. How can you even make that kind of statement seriously.
So the Rams are a good team because they have Steven Jackson huh. Since the individual players define a good team, right?
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So dont tell me that 7-9 means a team sucks. It means they didnt win some games not that they suck.
Did I SAY they suck?
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Ill admit that the Chargers were overrated last season and coming into this season. We won most of the games last season because of LT blowing people out of the water. However, with that said it is more impressive to see a team that is not well rounded (receivers and quarterback, plus some inconsistent secondary)go 14-2. The Pats right now are the best team in the NFL even if they had lost a game by now... however, its less impressive to see them go undefeated thus far because of the teams they have played (with the exception of the 2 mentioned) and with the division they are in.
So having a well-rounded team makes the team LESS impressive?
You really stopped making sense when you said individual players on a team means more than the team's record.
I'll ask you again. How is it LESS impressive, when the pats have yet to lose, while the chargers didn't beat a single team that even went to the playoffs during the same stretch, AND lost twice?
That's still 3 more teams with winning records that the Pats beat, to zero the chargers beat up to this week.
You can try to make this as subjective as you want by justifying the charger's wins against teams that didn't even make the playoffs.
But the facts still remain...the Patriots this season have beaten every single team put in front of them, by very large point margins. While the Chargers last year, struggled to beat any quality opponents at all.
How can you say a team is LESS impressive, when you even admitted they're the best team in the NFL?
If they're the best team in the NFL, and they win all their games, it makes them less impressive BECAUSE they're such a good team?
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They wont 16-0 (no team ever has)and they wont win the Superbowl. My money right now is on the Colts for the Superbowl, but I think the pats will get knocked out before the AFC Championship game.
I never said they'll go 16-0, but I did say they were clearly heads and shoulders above any other team in the NFL currently. The games speak for themselves.
You really think the Pats will get knocked out before the AFC championship game? I'll be willing to make a large wager with you that they'll most definitely reach the AFC championship game.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7593402 - 11/04/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im not saying the TEAM is less impressive, I am saying their record is. Take a team this season like Atlanta. If they went 8-0 it would be more impressive than the Pats going 8-0. That is all I am saying. The Pats ARE better than the Chargers and Baltimore of last season, but the records of both those teams WERE more impressive to me considering the mediocre players both teams has in many possitions. Dont just limit me to the Chargers like you want to... I said a lot earlier that Baltimore was more impressive as well. So as "biased" as I am towards San Diego, try explaining my bias for baltimore.
My 16-0 comment wasnt directed towards you, it was directed towards others in this thread (though its really been just you and I for a while now). I stand by my statement that the Pats will not make it to the AFC Championship game and they will hopefully lose this weekend.
As far as the NFC goes... I think there will be an upset and neither Dallas nor Green Bay will make it to the Superbowl. Giants maybe? Too sketchy to tell with the NFC.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7594178 - 11/04/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Im not saying the TEAM is less impressive, I am saying their record is. Take a team this season like Atlanta. If they went 8-0 it would be more impressive than the Pats going 8-0. That is all I am saying.
I understand what you're trying to say, but my arguement is simply the opposite of that.
Your initial quote was this:
"I think the 14-2 season the Chargers has last year was more impressive than the Pats, Dallas, and Greenbay records this year. The Chargers actually had to play tough teams last season. I dont think beating teams like Miami by 30-40 points is impressive. Its Miami not the Colts."
I was simply pointing out the falasy in this statement. Your initial statement was saying how the Pats weren't as good BECAUSE they hadn't beaten many worthy teams. And you use the Chargers as a contrast, saying their season was more impressive, BECAUSE they had to play tough teams last season.
We affirmed that the Pats beat Dallas, San Diego, both of which, are strong wins.
When the chargers, didn't beat anyone with a winning record untill week 10. So it's a bit harder to say the Charger's season last year was more impressive based on your initial explanation (them actually facing tough teams).
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The Pats ARE better than the Chargers and Baltimore of last season, but the records of both those teams WERE more impressive to me considering the mediocre players both teams has in many possitions. Dont just limit me to the Chargers like you want to... I said a lot earlier that Baltimore was more impressive as well. So as "biased" as I am towards San Diego, try explaining my bias for baltimore.
You are pretty biased towards SD, doesn't mean you can't be fans of other teams. But your deep-rooted hatred for the Pats is evident in how you talk about sports. Which I can understand, being a Steelers fan I hate the pats just as much, probably even MORE than you do.
They've only knocked you guys out of ONE afc playoff game .
But then it makes me ask...why would you even bring up the Chargers in this conversation, saying they're more impressive than the Pats in the manner that you did UNLESS you were initially attempting to say the Chargers of last season were overall more impressive than this year's Pats?
Especially since you just admitted the Pats having a better team than last year's Chargers.
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I stand by my statement that the Pats will not make it to the AFC Championship game and they will hopefully lose this weekend.
Listen, I will be willing to make a large bet with you that the Pats DO reach the AFC title game. If money ain't your style, we can wager sigs.
If the Pats don't make the AFC championship game, I'll put a Chargers logo in my sig for an entire year.
If the Pats DO....you have to put a Steelers logo on YOUR sig for an entire year.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7595116 - 11/04/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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no team has ever gone 16-0? the 72 dolphins i believe it was went 16-0,
peace out Dm
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: dutchmushroom]
#7595142 - 11/04/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: dutchmushroom]
#7595148 - 11/04/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fins were 14-0
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: dutchmushroom]
#7595314 - 11/04/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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dutchmushroom said: no team has ever gone 16-0? the 72 dolphins i believe it was went 16-0,
peace out Dm
You know nothing about sports... just stop. 16-0 is refering to regular season. They went 14-0 during that time with less teams. The best record of any team was I believe the 85 Bears with 15-1. I may be wrong on the year but it was the Bears around that time.
I dont hate the Pats, but I will admit to be incredibly harsh on them due to the dick sucking going on. You dont agree I accept that but I dont hate any team except the Raiders and the Bears.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7595657 - 11/04/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: The best record of any team was I believe the 85 Bears with 15-1. I may be wrong on the year but it was the Bears around that time.
I would say that the '72 Dolphins had a better record than the '84 49ers, the '85 Bears or the '98 Vikings, who all went 15-1, since a 1.000 win pct is always better than a .938 win pct.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Ziggen]
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I think its unfair to say that 14-0 is better than 15-1 just because of a 1:1 ratio.
However, if all you care about is the ratio and not the relative wins to loses in a realistic environment, you are right. But, in the NFL 2 games does make a difference for a record.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7598838 - 11/05/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You didn't answer my other question...
Since you're so sure the Patriots aren't going to reach the AFC championship game this year....then lets make a wager.
I will wager my signature for a whole YEAR, or I will wager up to $200 that they do make the AFC championship game.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7599240 - 11/05/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont gamble. I never have and I never will.
But, if they do make it, you have bragging rights. If they dont make it, you dont get bragging rights. To be honest I am not that passionate about it at this point. How many teams in the AFC actually make it to the AFC Championship game when they are favored early in the season? Id say very few. Remember when the Stealers went with a wildcard playoff slot? Anything can happen.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7599352 - 11/05/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you even realize why pittsburgh was the #6 seed that season?
All the games they lost, Ben Roethlisburger was injured and Maddox was playing horribly.
If you don't want to wager money, then why not wager your sig?
I'll put a chargers logo on my sig for a whole year if they dont make it to the AFC championship game, and you do the same with a steelers logo!
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Ah didnt realize you meant our Shroomery signature. Ill make that wager.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7599633 - 11/05/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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/bookmarks this thread
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7600422 - 11/05/07 09:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7600714 - 11/05/07 10:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good win by the Pats.
It'll be interesting to see how the Pats run that spread with no running game in bad weather come the playoffs. It's funny but the Colts may be better suited to play in bad weather right now than the Pats.
It's a fun rivalry.
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That is actually astute. I still think the Pats will win but it is most definitely a strong point. I also think the game just played should not have been that close because of 150+ penalty yards, many of which were on bogus interference calls.
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I don't think the pat's running game is bad at all. They just haven't had to use it.
But look at Maroney and Faulk play. They're friggin good.
Maroney especially, he's a damn workhorse.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7603917 - 11/06/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If they do end up having to go to their running game they wont win. When you are forced to go to Maroney or Faulk with Moss, Stallworth, Welker, ect. to throw the ball to there is an issue. I dont think they will be FORCED to use their running game, I think they will elect to use it in key moments if their recievers are getting worked by a Defense. They did it a little bit against the Colts and it payed off, but we will see.
By the way... does anyone else think they will play their starters in week 17 even if they have clutched the playoffs and home field advantage? I think they will with the egos they have on the coaching staff. I hope they do, that is usually when karma catches up to a team and someone gets injured.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7604300 - 11/06/07 07:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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They will use their players and they should. Icing your players for the last week is stupid when you have a bye in the first round.
Also, karma doesn't exist except in fairytales.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7604579 - 11/06/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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wow you REALLY hate the pats....it effects your sports discussion alot.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7605487 - 11/07/07 01:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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How is disliking egos effecting my discussion? I dont like TO's ego, I dont like Chad Johnsons ego, I hated when Randy Moss was young with his ego... I am just stating that when teams run up scores to 49 points in the first half its a little messed up. Its not limited to the Pats but I cant name another team that has done it. I guess I should not say its the Pats as a whole but more Bill Belichick. He seems to be more concerned with his own legacy than the safety of some of his players. He needs to pull Moss, Brady and maybe Stallworth when the score is +21 in the Pats favor.
Ill give another ego example, Marty playing Brees in a game we had won where he then got injured by hyperextending his shoulder. It was karma, no need to play your starters when the game is clenched.
Karma does exist even if you dont believe in it.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7605638 - 11/07/07 05:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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am just stating that when teams run up scores to 49 points in the first half its a little messed up.
Maybe the teams that the Pats are playing should play some defense?
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Redstorm]
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Karma does exist even if you dont believe in it.
Prove it.
Not in this thread. Take that shit to P&S where it belongs.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7607016 - 11/07/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Agreed.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7607177 - 11/07/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can't do it there either. Not here, not there, not anywhere.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: zappaisgod]
#7607920 - 11/07/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol... I dont think I need to do it anywhere. I really dont need to prove it to anyone. Just watch, something will happen. You can call it a coincidence or a misfortune, I can call it Karma.
My point is, does anyone else think they WILL play their first string guys in the 16th game even if they have playoffs and home field advantage clenched?
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: zappaisgod]
#7608003 - 11/07/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: You can't do it there either. Not here, not there, not anywhere.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't believe in shit that should be left to Mother Goose or the Brothers Grimm.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Redstorm]
#7608201 - 11/07/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7608892 - 11/07/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you insist that the unanimously BEST team in the league won't make the AFC title game...
yes that's pretty much biased hatred.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7608895 - 11/07/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Lol... I dont think I need to do it anywhere. I really dont need to prove it to anyone. Just watch, something will happen. You can call it a coincidence or a misfortune, I can call it Karma.
I call it, you hating the Patriots for knocking out the chargers last year.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7608916 - 11/07/07 09:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude, let it go. I dont hate the pats for knocking the Chargers out of the playoffs. I was sad when the Chargers lost, I then rooted for the Pats to beat the Colts, they lost, and then I rooted for the Colts in the Superbowl since New Orleans didnt make it. Biased would be me hating the Raiders, Chiefs, and Broncos because they are in my division. I dont hate the Chiefs and I dont hate the Broncos. The Raiders... maybe a little but it has more to do with the fans than the team. Go to a Chargers vs. Raiders game and you would probably dislike the team a bit as well.
Im not limiting my ego vs. karma to the Pats, but I do think the Pats coaching staff (primarily Bill Belicheck) will hurt the team with some risky desicions in the last few games.
And the "Best" team in the NFL not making a championship game isnt unheard of. Look at the Colts a few seasons ago and the Chargers last season. It has happened before, many times.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7608933 - 11/07/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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hahahahah Chargers weren't the best team last season. They had the best record, but they weren't even betting favorites against the patriots during the playoffs.
It's obvious when you keep insisting and making elaborate prediction with no basis whatsoever
"he's going to get injured because it's karma".
You clearly are someone whose more HOPING for these things to happen than really trying to make an accurate prediction based on sports knowledge.
The only type of person who PREDICTS an injury is someone who HOPES for it to happen. That's as clear as it gets.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7609598 - 11/08/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont hope anyone gets injured. I hope they get beat so you will stop sucking them off. I thought LT was going to get injured this season, he hasnt... yet. But obviously I dont want him to get injured. Your logic is flawed thinking that because someone says they think a player on a team MAY get injured, that the person speaking is HOPING that a certain player gets injured.
Just admit the fact you disagree with me because you think you know everything about the human mind because your fucked up brain works the way you claim mine does. Damn, just accept the fact someone disagrees with you. You arent a sports Guru, if you were you would be making money talking out your ass.
I dont hate the Pats, if I did I would say things like "fuck those faggoty ass Pats," but I dont say that. I say they are good but not as good as people claim. I think Tom Brady is the second best QB in the NFL right now despite his current numbers. I think Randy Moss is the Second best Receiver in the NFL despite his numbers, but the number 1 in both spots are on different teams which is why the numbers favor the number 2 guys.
Like I said earlier, numbers only tell you so much. LT is the best RB in the NFL right now but he isnt having the best season of his career (oh wait, I am biased towards the Chargers so obviously that discredits my statement about LT).
Make a valid arguement other than "you hate the Pats," when I am telling you flat out that I DO NOT HATE THE PATS. Im also not a bandwagon fan and I give credit where credit is due and I criticize when necessary.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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Valid point?
Here's a valid point.
In your response you said you "think" someone would get injured.
But here's your initial quote
"I think they will with the egos they have on the coaching staff. I hope they do, that is usually when karma catches up to a team and someone gets injured. "
Mhm.....
not to mention, you got all upset when everyone was sayong how the Pats are the best team in the league, trying to discount their record
"they only beat one good team"
then you try to say the chargers were more impressive last year...
"because they actually played tough teams"
BOTH times i had to correct you because you were trying to discredit what everyone knows is the best team in the league.
Then you try to explain it all by saying
"oh, the chargers beat more impressive teams because they won games with a weaker team"
which is just retarded because what makes a team impressive is the strength of their team....it's simple english.
then you try to say something COMPLETELY absurd
"oh it's not the record of the team that measures how good they are, it's the INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS"
which is just plain dumb. Anyone can tell you that.
Then you try to make as many predictions against the patriots as you can
"they won't go 16-0 (which is valid), they won't win the superbowl (less valid), and they won't even make the AFC championship game (pretty much rooted from hatred"
but when i offer you a wager on these predictions which you seem so sure about...
"oh i don't gamble"

which is pretty damn funny because if you're so damn sure the patriots AREN'T going to make the AFC championship game...it's not really gambling. You said it straight up, like it's FACT.
If you're so sure about them not making the AFC title game, why wouldn't you just accept $200 from a guy who believes otherwise?
oh that's right, it's because you know deep inside, you're unsure. But you wanted to make as many claims against the patriots as you could...all horribly discrediting your sports knowledge.
You can deny your fan bias all you want. But the evidence is there throughout this thread. It's clear you can't stand the fact that everyone thinks the pats are the best team in the league. Something you only admit to when people accuse you of being overlybiased.
Randy Moss isn't the best reciever in the league this year? Uhhhh then tell me...who is? Go ahead and name me another reciever in the running for MVP.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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the pats winning streak is coming to an end in a little over a week up in buffalo. tom brady is going to be bitchslapped around like a ragdoll so bad, hes gonna have to wash the taste of linemans' taint out of his mouth.
lol prob not but we'll see
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relativexistance said: the pats winning streak is coming to an end in a little over a week up in buffalo. tom brady is going to be bitchslapped around like a ragdoll so bad, hes gonna have to wash the taste of linemans' taint out of his mouth.
lol prob not but we'll see
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7611959 - 11/08/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didnt say I HOPE someone gets injured. Read the quote again and not the comma in the sentence.
"I think they will with the egos they have on the coaching staff. I hope they do, that is usually when karma catches up to a team and someone gets injured. "
I didnt say "I hope someone gets injured." Learn the english language. You will also have to note that not gambling doesnt mean I think I am wrong. It means I accept that I MAY not be right and rather than wager 200 of my own dollars, I rather just have bragging rights. Nothing in the NFL is a given. Any projected AFC or NFC championship team can get knocked out at any given point.
I dont hate the Patriots which is your only valid arguement to anything I say. Even now you havent shown any valid arguements. I know full well what I have said... your arguement is "the chargers were knocked out of the playoffs by the pats so you hate them." Excuse me for not sucking a teams dick off. I also dont think the Cowboys will make it to the NFC championship game. Is that because I am a chargers fan as well?
The best receiver in the NFL is Chad Johnson. Randy Moss has better numbers all around but even on a poor executing team Chad Johnson puts up big numbers. I may even put Marvin Harrison above Moss, but maybe that is just my Charger bias. Randy Moss is having a great year, no doubt, but he isnt the best receiver in the NFL. The best receiver this season definately, but not the best in the NFL. Just like LT is the best RB in the NFL, but not the best this season. Two different things we are talking about.
If you want even less Charger bias from me, I dont think Antonio Gates is the best TE in the NFL, Jeremy Shockey is in my opinion. But hey, I am bias because I am a charger fan. I guess that means I should hate Eli Manning... since he didnt want to play for my team.
My favorite QB if you want even more bias opinions, is Donovan McNabb. My personal receiver is Javon Walker. My favorite defensive player is Mike Vrabel. But, thats just all Charger bias so disregard all of it.
**EDIT** The record doesnt always show how good a team is, look at The Browns. They arent as good as there record shows. Look at the teams they beat. Its always a shootout on offense with them, and usually the teams they beat have piss poor Defenses trying to stop the pretty good Browns offense. Its basically the opposite of last years Bears. The Bears D carried them to the Superbowl because their offenses had very few good games. Their record didnt reflect their team.
Look at Buffalo, they arent as good as their record shows either (though I hope they keep winning for Losmans sake). They have played decent in some games and then had the luxury of playing against some poor teams.
Then you look at The Eagles. They are way better than their record shows, they just havent been able to score touchdowns in the red zone this season.
Of course on the flip side, The Bengals team really does suck (despite their talented offense). The Jets really do suck (pennington should not be benched). The Dolphins really suck (nothing else to say about that). The Falcons really suck.
But dont let a teams record deceive you. Watch football and make your own decision. Numbers are numbers, generally they mean nothing unless a players contract is going to expire or unless you are being drafted into the NFL.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7612060 - 11/08/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im done with this thread until one of us is editing our signature.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7612458 - 11/08/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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**EDIT** The record doesnt always show how good a team is, look at The Browns. They arent as good as there record shows. Look at the teams they beat. Its always a shootout on offense with them, and usually the teams they beat have piss poor Defenses trying to stop the pretty good Browns offense. Its basically the opposite of last years Bears. The Bears D carried them to the Superbowl because their offenses had very few good games. Their record didnt reflect their team.
Look at Buffalo, they arent as good as their record shows either (though I hope they keep winning for Losmans sake). They have played decent in some games and then had the luxury of playing against some poor teams.
Then you look at The Eagles. They are way better than their record shows, they just havent been able to score touchdowns in the red zone this season.
Of course on the flip side, The Bengals team really does suck (despite their talented offense). The Jets really do suck (pennington should not be benched). The Dolphins really suck (nothing else to say about that). The Falcons really suck.
Did you miss where you originally said how a team's record doesn't show how good they are, but RATHER it is the INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS?
That's what was absurd about your initial arguement as to why the Chargers had a tougher schedule last season than the patriots THIS season.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
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The best receiver in the NFL is Chad Johnson.
Nope, he's not even the best WR in Cincy.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Redstorm]
#7612729 - 11/08/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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it was the quickest he could think up of in his attempt to seem unbiased.
his favorite defender is supposedly mike vrabel as well
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Redstorm]
#7613081 - 11/08/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moss is the best this year Brady likes him
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7614080 - 11/09/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been here for 5 years and I just figured out there is a Sports forum, lol.
I just wanted to say that the Colts lost to the Pats on Penalties and not a whole slew of them, but two penalties.
At 20-17, after the Pats scored, the Colts were pushing from their territory but two penalties set them back 15-20 yards, they couldn't get the 1st and had to punt back and the Pats scored again.
If the Colts could've gotten that first down, they would've won hands down. Even if they didn't score. End of Story.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: YidakiMan]
#7614148 - 11/09/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There hasnt been a sports forum the whole time. It was a sub forum to OTD for a long while.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: YidakiMan]
#7614407 - 11/09/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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YidakiMan said: I've been here for 5 years and I just figured out there is a Sports forum, lol.
I just wanted to say that the Colts lost to the Pats on Penalties and not a whole slew of them, but two penalties.
At 20-17, after the Pats scored, the Colts were pushing from their territory but two penalties set them back 15-20 yards, they couldn't get the 1st and had to punt back and the Pats scored again.
If the Colts could've gotten that first down, they would've won hands down. Even if they didn't score. End of Story.
The Pats were penalized 146 yards to the Colts 25, many of those yards on two bogus interference calls. The Colts were handed 10 gift points and you think it was penalties that COST the Colts the game? Whatever it is that you smoke keep it to yourself. It is far too dangerous for mankind at large.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: AaronEvil]
#7614580 - 11/09/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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right now randy moss is the best wr in the nfl, clearly look at his stats and watch the game. he has freakish abilities and there is no questioning that. i don't think he is a very tough reciever, however he is amazingly talented.
p.s. there is nothing wrong with the bengals offense executing, their d is just terrible and the offense HAS to score 30+ points a game just to win or even be close.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: zappaisgod]
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YidakiMan said: I've been here for 5 years and I just figured out there is a Sports forum, lol.
I just wanted to say that the Colts lost to the Pats on Penalties and not a whole slew of them, but two penalties.
At 20-17, after the Pats scored, the Colts were pushing from their territory but two penalties set them back 15-20 yards, they couldn't get the 1st and had to punt back and the Pats scored again.
If the Colts could've gotten that first down, they would've won hands down. Even if they didn't score. End of Story.
The Pats were penalized 146 yards to the Colts 25, many of those yards on two bogus interference calls. The Colts were handed 10 gift points and you think it was penalties that COST the Colts the game? Whatever it is that you smoke keep it to yourself. It is far too dangerous for mankind at large.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: zappaisgod]
#7614952 - 11/09/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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At least one Pats Fan Columnist thinks most of those penalties were bogus as well.
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I knew the Pats were in trouble less than three minutes into the game, when Aaron Moorehead's entire left foot landed out of bounds on a first-down catch. Standing 10 feet away from him on either side, two officials improbably decided Moorehead landed inbounds, forcing the Patriots to waste a challenge to overturn a miserable call. Of course, that moment wasn't one-tenth as egregious as the play when Ellis Hobbs got tackled from behind by Reggie Wayne while trying to catch an interception (8:58 remaining, second quarter), followed by the officials' whistling Hobbs for a 40-yard pass interference penalty because he made the mistake of bringing down Wayne's arms with his back. Hey, Indianapolis, here's a free first-and-goal for you guys. Enjoy!
(Note: Watch NFL Network's replay of the game for the split-screen explanation by Mike Pereira, NFL vice president of officiating, who claims Hobbs impeded Wayne's path to the ball and initiated contact before turning around to find the football. Only one problem ... as Pereira is telling us this, the split-screen replay shows Hobbs turning around before there was any contact. It's an incredible 10 seconds of TV. I wish we could hire Pereira to describe other things that allegedly didn't happen while we show videotape to prove the opposite was true. "As this tape by Rick Salomon proves, Paris Hilton has never had sex with someone on camera ...")
Throughout the game, the sketchy calls kept coming and coming. Like the head-scratching no-call when Dallas Clark pulled down Rodney Harrison as Harrison tried to catch an end-zone interception on Indy's first drive (10:09 remaining, first quarter). Like Asante Samuel's drawing a pass-interference penalty on an uncatchable 40-yard bomb that set up Indy's first field goal (4:14 remaining, first quarter). Like the incredible no-call when Moorehead blocked Rashad Baker in the back (how did Jim Nantz and Phil Simms both miss this?!?!?!?) to spring Joe Addai's 73-yard touchdown at the end of the first half. Like the 15-yard "unsportsmanlike conduct" call on Matt Light after Gary Brackett's interception, of which CBS couldn't even find a replay (14:04 remaining, fourth quarter).
Wait, there's more! There was the no-call when Rosie Colvin got held while trying to sack Peyton Manning on a crucial third-and-15 that the Colts ended up converting on their last touchdown drive (12:52 remaining, fourth quarter). Or the no-call on Indy's final drive when Bryan Fletcher was blocking Colvin at the end of a running play, got frustrated and ripped Colvin's helmet off right in front of an official (2:55 remaining, fourth quarter). Or the no-call when Kevin Faulk got hooked directly in front of an official while reaching for a third-and-21 pass over the middle, followed by Tom Brady's flipping out and berating the official involved. Or a pivotal first-and-goal interference call on Randy Moss when he made the mistake of running forward for five yards and turning around, which nearly murdered the Pats because they were trailing by 10 points and suddenly looking at first-and-goal from the 12 with less than nine minutes to play.
(Note: I'd give you the exact times on those last two plays, but both of them were mysteriously deleted from the NFL Network's official replay of the game. Hmmmmmm.)
Those are from Bill Simmons' Blog on ESPN.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7615060 - 11/09/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah that one PI call was rediculous
the officials were doing everything possible in the first half to give indy the game...and it almost worked.
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Re: The Patriots Are Unstoppable... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7615814 - 11/09/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: At least one Pats Fan Columnist thinks most of those penalties were bogus as well.
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I knew the Pats were in trouble less than three minutes into the game, when Aaron Moorehead's entire left foot landed out of bounds on a first-down catch. Standing 10 feet away from him on either side, two officials improbably decided Moorehead landed inbounds, forcing the Patriots to waste a challenge to overturn a miserable call. Of course, that moment wasn't one-tenth as egregious as the play when Ellis Hobbs got tackled from behind by Reggie Wayne while trying to catch an interception (8:58 remaining, second quarter), followed by the officials' whistling Hobbs for a 40-yard pass interference penalty because he made the mistake of bringing down Wayne's arms with his back. Hey, Indianapolis, here's a free first-and-goal for you guys. Enjoy!
(Note: Watch NFL Network's replay of the game for the split-screen explanation by Mike Pereira, NFL vice president of officiating, who claims Hobbs impeded Wayne's path to the ball and initiated contact before turning around to find the football. Only one problem ... as Pereira is telling us this, the split-screen replay shows Hobbs turning around before there was any contact. It's an incredible 10 seconds of TV. I wish we could hire Pereira to describe other things that allegedly didn't happen while we show videotape to prove the opposite was true. "As this tape by Rick Salomon proves, Paris Hilton has never had sex with someone on camera ...")
Throughout the game, the sketchy calls kept coming and coming. Like the head-scratching no-call when Dallas Clark pulled down Rodney Harrison as Harrison tried to catch an end-zone interception on Indy's first drive (10:09 remaining, first quarter). Like Asante Samuel's drawing a pass-interference penalty on an uncatchable 40-yard bomb that set up Indy's first field goal (4:14 remaining, first quarter). Like the incredible no-call when Moorehead blocked Rashad Baker in the back (how did Jim Nantz and Phil Simms both miss this?!?!?!?) to spring Joe Addai's 73-yard touchdown at the end of the first half. Like the 15-yard "unsportsmanlike conduct" call on Matt Light after Gary Brackett's interception, of which CBS couldn't even find a replay (14:04 remaining, fourth quarter).
Wait, there's more! There was the no-call when Rosie Colvin got held while trying to sack Peyton Manning on a crucial third-and-15 that the Colts ended up converting on their last touchdown drive (12:52 remaining, fourth quarter). Or the no-call on Indy's final drive when Bryan Fletcher was blocking Colvin at the end of a running play, got frustrated and ripped Colvin's helmet off right in front of an official (2:55 remaining, fourth quarter). Or the no-call when Kevin Faulk got hooked directly in front of an official while reaching for a third-and-21 pass over the middle, followed by Tom Brady's flipping out and berating the official involved. Or a pivotal first-and-goal interference call on Randy Moss when he made the mistake of running forward for five yards and turning around, which nearly murdered the Pats because they were trailing by 10 points and suddenly looking at first-and-goal from the 12 with less than nine minutes to play.
(Note: I'd give you the exact times on those last two plays, but both of them were mysteriously deleted from the NFL Network's official replay of the game. Hmmmmmm.)
Those are from Bill Simmons' Blog on ESPN.
Yeah, I can't believe that no one else really reported much about the bad officiating. It was blatantly obvious that they were trying to give the game to the Colts.
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