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BrAiN
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: trippindad82]
#7546224 - 10/22/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm doubting that... at least for some drugs. The base price might be cheaper, but the gov't will make up the rest in taxes, If you think about supply and demand... the avg price for an 1/8th of dank is about 50 bucks. That's the current equillibrium. That means people right now are willing to pay that much for the dealers to make enough of a profit and be happy. Companies are going to jack up their prices as much as they consumers are willing to pay. When they get to the point where the higher cost causes profits to fall.. there's your equilibrium.. I bet an 1/8th of the diggidy dank on the open legal market probably wouldnt be much less than $40.
The gov't and companies are both going to KNOW that people are willing to pay 50 bucks so one way or another, they're going to jack the price as much as they can. Whether it's the company charging that much or if it's through taxes. Shit look at NY and DC. A few years ago in DC, clove cigarettes bad a base price of about 3 bucks from the retailers. After taxes they costed 12 DOLLARS a pack! They're down to about 8 now. In California they're only about 4.50
True, people could probably grow their own for much cheaper... but if it were legalized, the gov't would probably put some kind of regulation on growing your own.
I'm willing to bet, if legallized, the cost of an 1/8th would be about 25 dollars for the good stuff.. and 25 dollars MORE in taxes. And people would definately be lining up to buy it still.
So yea... you guys are right.. legallizing drugs would make a SHIT TON of money for the government... Of course.. we'd probably have a lot more spending in addiction treatment....
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: BrAiN]
#7547202 - 10/22/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I mean you really can't make your own whiskey in most states. So, it might be the same.
Think abiut all those sacks the gov could tax, the baggies they could tax and the workers they could tax. It would be a huge boon to us all, plus all the tarriffs they could impose on coke importers, weed importers and opiate importers.
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#7547246 - 10/22/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm half and half when it comes to legalizing hard drugs like smack and coke.
I think eventually it needs to be legal, but a really fast transition would be detrimental. I think we need to FIRST spend less time on incarceration of users and spend the money we would have wasted on sending them to jail to see how effective rehab treatment REALLY can be. THOSE drugs maybe we should tax the SHIT out of... because we're REALLY going to need the money for the health problems. Then again... I think the harder the drug.. the MORE of the piece of the % pie of crime is caused by the lifestyle and users commiting crimes to get the money. Jacking up the taxes on hard drugs are going to make the ahrdcore addicts even more desperate.
When we get a better handle on treating the health/social problems caused by the hard drugs that cause REAL addiction... then maybe start legalizing it.
Weed though? Shit.... it's just downright retarded that it's illegal.
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#7547277 - 10/22/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, but when you get the money above table it's hard to funnel it to black ops, ya heard?!
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: afoaf]
#7547286 - 10/22/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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true true...
I just think those people are totally blind who think that if we outright legalize smack with no transition, that there won't be a serious PROBLEM.
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: BrAiN]
#7547364 - 10/22/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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who knows, I think legalizing them may reduce the price per unit of measurement thus enabling them to obtained easier making it safer for all involved.
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#7547419 - 10/22/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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True... whether or not its not or less expensive.. i just think legalizing it (initially at least) would cause MORE people to try it.
Sure the % of junkies that have major problems with it might go down... but 3% of 5 million people is still more than 5% of 50,000. Ya know?
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: BrAiN]
#7547499 - 10/22/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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IMO Property Tax is the most EVIL of all the Taxes....
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: lonestar2004]
#7547642 - 10/22/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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especially in california
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: BrAiN]
#7547724 - 10/22/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
BrAiN said: True... whether or not its not or less expensive.. i just think legalizing it (initially at least) would cause MORE people to try it.
Sure the % of junkies that have major problems with it might go down... but 3% of 5 million people is still more than 5% of 50,000. Ya know?
that's crap, i have literally put heroin in the hands of several people and said, if you want you can have some. unless they had already done it in the past, they refused.
all legalizing will do is make it so that junkies will be able to get their fix safely and not have to worry about destroying their lives because of the law.
are there health concerns, of course, but that's where education comes in. maybe if we actually educated our children (i don't think it should be brought up until high school, D.A.R.E. only gets them young so they don't ask questions) instead of teaching them fear people would make better decisions.
after legalization crackheads will be looked at as a useful part of the community because they will stay up all night and work their asses off so they can get more crack.
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: ledfut]
#7547809 - 10/22/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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whatever.... if you take smack out of the streets where u have to know someone and stick it in the stores.. more people are going to have access to it and more ppl are going to try it
PERIOD
Maybe we're thinking of different ideas. I'm thinking if it's legalized then it's going to be sold out in the open in SHOPS.
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: BrAiN]
#7547834 - 10/22/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hope so.
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: BrAiN]
#7547847 - 10/22/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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first of all, this tangent really has no place in this thread.
second of all, if you'd bother to look at some of the figures you'd find that in countries like the netherlands actually have a lower rate of drug usage among their population.
so, sure, you can fall back on the hysterical housewife argument that legalization automatically means all our babies are going to be buying drugs at the market or you can look at how decriminalization and safe injection sites have actually played out in the real world.
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: afoaf]
#7547989 - 10/22/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What topic here HASN'T gone tangent?
I think comparing social issues in the Netherlands and America is like comparing apples to orange. I think America's youth is just too immature compared to many other countries.
Call me a pessimist, but I think America is just full of too many stupid kids who can't handle the responsibly such as legal heroin... at least making it legal just out of no where...
Like I said.. I'm ALL for making it legal over time.. studying the effects. I think it's plain irresponsible to assume it'll work over just because "The Netherlands" can handle it and to make it legal based solely on how some other country works... a country thousands of miles away with a much tiner population, a different culture that has developed different over thousands of years.
I think if you DECRIMINALIZE it first and just make it a non jailable offense wold be a great start...
It's not some hysterical housewife argument to think that if someone is exposed to something EVERYDAY in the counter of the local supermarket they're more likely to try it than if a tiny tiny percentage of their peers offers makes it available to them.
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: BrAiN]
#7548011 - 10/22/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I stopped reading after:
"I think comparing social issues in the Netherlands and America is like comparing apples to orange. I think America's youth is just too immature compared to many other countries."
because you're going to base this on subjectivity instead of objectivity.
you're looking at short term problems and using that as a premise to disregard something that has tremendous long term benefits.
start a new thread if you want to opine about legalization. this one is about how the US got $$$ before the IRS.
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Re: how did the U.S. get $ before the IRS [Re: afoaf]
#7548203 - 10/22/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I'm the one who STARTED this thread. let me ask myself if I don't mind how off topic we've gotten? Hmm. hope... I apparently I don't.
And apparently you're incapable of reading past 2 sentences in any of my posts. For the millions FRIGGIN TIME... YES! I think heroin should be legal but I think we need to EASE ourselves into it. I think it would be way too chaotic to just suddenly start selling smack in stores tommorrow. Especially since the gov't has done nothing but using the "scared straight" tactic to prevent people from using it. At least decriminalize it and spend more time educating people on it before you outright make it legal to buy in a store.
And how is my argument any worse than your argument about how we should legalize it just because it works in some other country.. a country that has developed over the past thousands of years under a completely different culture?
If any scientist conducted a scientific experiment of ANY KIND and changed one VERY IMPORTANT VARIABLE, he would be scoffed at to assume that the results would be just the same and to implement a strategy based on his assumption without even trying to study the effects of the different variable on the experiment.
Edited by BrAiN (10/22/07 06:39 PM)
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