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OfflineDivided_Sky
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Flugon_Nine]
    #7541249 - 10/21/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think a big difference is that people who don't trip are often very absorbed into their particular game. They may be totally oblivious of how narrow and selectively constructed their reality is, which can make them seem like delusional or trapped in some strange waking dream. On the flip side though, the rigidness of beliefs, inflexible sense of reality and shared social systems they have also make for more effective, efficient and motivated people. They may be motivated to horrible, or just misguided things, but they play their role very well because they really believe in it. Also, with less awareness and thinking necessary they can make decisions better and relate to other people.

Using psychedelics can make you much more perceptive, empathic and have a better appreciation of beauty, form and patterns. It can connect you to a deeper reality, both higher into the realm of consciousness, and lower into the biological/evolutionary world. However, that can be isolating because other people cannot see what you see.

The downside of tripping is that when your reality becomes more flexible, and state becomes more objective your functionality in the human world decreases. You don't want to, or even can't play the normal games and you can see through all the social illusions. Alot of heavy acid users can end up blank or burnt out because they eroded too much of their personality away and are left adrift or ineffective. Or you can become impulsive which can be both good and bad. One phenomena is similar to what happens in old age, it gets harder to verbally articulate things because there is too much information to sort through and you feel retarded. On the other hand, what you do think and articulate can be more original and elegant than a non-tripper. I notice this in alot of psychedelic users, they will say incredibly witty and wise things interspersed with seeming dumb or spaced out. I feel this way too sometimes.


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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7541260 - 10/21/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Divided_Sky said:
I think a big difference is that people who don't trip are often very absorbed into their particular game. They may be totally oblivious of how narrow and selectively constructed their reality is, which can make them seem like delusional or trapped in some strange waking dream. On the flip side though, the rigidness of beliefs, inflexible sense of reality and shared social systems they have also make for more effective, efficient and motivated people. They may be motivated to horrible, or just misguided things, but they play their role very well because they really believe in it. Also, with less awareness and thinking necessary they can make decisions better and relate to other people.

Using psychedelics can make you much more perceptive, empathic and have a better appreciation of beauty, form and patterns. It can connect you to a deeper reality, both higher into the realm of consciousness, and lower into the biological/evolutionary world. However, that can be isolating because other people cannot see what you see.

The downside of tripping is that when your reality becomes more flexible, and state becomes more objective your functionality in the human world decreases. You don't want to, or even can't play the normal games and you can see through all the social illusions. Alot of heavy acid users can end up blank or burnt out because they eroded too much of their personality away and are left adrift or ineffective. Or you can become impulsive which can be both good and bad. One phenomena is similar to what happens in old age, it gets harder to verbally articulate things because there is too much information to sort through and you feel retarded. On the other hand, what you do think and articulate can be more original and elegant than a non-tripper. I notice this in alot of psychedelic users, they will say incredibly witty and wise things interspersed with seeming dumb or spaced out. I feel this way too sometimes.




That is exactly how I feel about the differences in the two. Very, very well put. :thumbup:

I think that the taboo nature of psychedelics keeps distance and tension between trippers and non-trippers. At first when I started using psychs I had to break down and analyze every effect it had on me, and I kept myself constantly aware of my current mindset. Later on though with more experience, tripping just becomes an outlook - a total mindset for me - with or without psychs. A lot of the perceptions I have while I'm tripping I carry back into sober reality - and I think this is what develops the most distance for me. I don't know...psych users are really just super humans, and people are well just...cattle. :justdontknow:


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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7541265 - 10/21/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree! What a post!


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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7541577 - 10/21/07 04:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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one of my best true freinds is just a drinker. hell smoke pot. but not usualy or that much.
he knows im a student of the soil. and he always is cool to trip with, chill with, jam with
some people just have no drive to go "there"




I think this is very true as well, some people are just very content with where they are


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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7541711 - 10/21/07 07:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

People who have tripped tend to realise that reality, to a large extent if not 100%, is in the eye of the beholder.

Having been taken outside of yourself and experienced yourself, even for a brief time, as a part of everything rather than an isolated monad, generally makes people more humble and understanding. That being said, plenty of people who indulge in psychedelics just aren't particularly intelligent or nice people.

Used in an intelligent way, geared towards self improvement and enlightenment, psychedelics have greatly improved the lives and attitudes of many people. However, without a frame work of self improvement or some kind of spiritual practise, psychedelics can just have no positive long term effects.

It all depends on the person and the type of experiences they've had. I tripped around a dozen times before I had what I would consider a full blown spiritual experience, and until then I never really understood what psychedelics are capable of. If I'd never had that experience, I wouldn't really have been all that changed by psychedelics.

Some people who use psychedelics turn out better, some don't, but it all depends on the person and how and why they trip. Simply consuming psychedelic drugs doesn't make you a better person. They work as a catalyst for self improvement, but the person is required to do much of the work- the drug simply shows you things, it's your own responsibility to understand these things and apply them to your life.


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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7541728 - 10/21/07 07:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I tripped around a dozen times before I had what I would consider a full blown spiritual experience, and until then I never really understood what psychedelics are capable of.




That is also so true, not only do people differ so much, but each experience can differ so much. Do you have any idea what caused your first full blown spiritual experience?


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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7541742 - 10/21/07 07:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

For the most part, I'd say that those who do not wish to try psychedelics are fed misinformation about psychedelics. My friend is convinced that LSD makes your brain bleed, another is convinced that mescaline is more potent than LSD, another is convinced that a few buttons of peyote will cause you to trip for days, and yet another is convinced that LSD makes you think you can fly, not understanding that the feelings and experiences are subjective and vary from person to person.


I'm also inclined to say that it's contentment. My friends are so content with being drunk and knowing what's needed to get by in life that they have no desire to delve further; whether it be with psychedelics, music, literature, art, etc.


As for me, I'm very inquisitive, a critical thinker, continuously questioning, finding it hard to settle on an an answer, strong minded, etc.


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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Boots]
    #7541743 - 10/21/07 07:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Boots said:
My friend is convinced that LSD makes your brain bleed




This might be an interesting opportunity to see if you can convince someone who believe in ridiculuous drug propaganda that what they believe in is bullshit. Print out loads of information on aicd, starting with the anti-drug sites. When he sees that there's no hard evidence against acid, and that, on the contrary, it's a pretty researched substance, maybe he'll stop being such a fucking dumbass. Interesting social experiment.


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