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Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide.....
    #7540606 - 10/20/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Been a while since i posted.....
I used to get jealous of all on una's (don't know if he/she is still around) grafting pics. I didn't have agar or a humidity chamber or all the cool stuff in the pics. So I began to play with my ghetto grafting. I have tried a bunch of ways and techniques and have come up with a pretty sure fire way of grafting and quick growth. I take some rooted perkopsis (sp) and cut it about four inches from the ground. The perkopsis needs to be twice as thick as a pencil. leave the botten two or three leaves on the base. Take the top and sharpen it using a razor blade to a pencil like tip. take a inch or two of the cactus of your choice and make a small cut out in the center of it, i suggested a piece with two cut ends so you get pups and not tip/upward growth. Don't dig too much out, just enough to get your pencil tipped perkopsis started inward. Then shove the cut cactus onto the perkopsis stalk. No need for dusting sulphur, or tape or band aids. Just shove it in and forget it. I have used this technique 15 times and all but two were successful grafts. I will be getting rid of some perkopsis soon also, this stuff grows like weeds..... the growth on the grafted cactus' is way faster than non grafted or grafted on mirtillo cactus. I will try to get some pics posted. Hopefully this in not to garbled. I magine this could work on lophora but I have only used it on pedro/torch cactus. So use on lophora at your own risk. I would try it on lophora but I am in the US and my balls are not that big.....

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: OOKLA]
    #7540678 - 10/20/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

sounds cool. let me know when you want to get rid of some perks.


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: playwithguns]
    #7540711 - 10/20/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

interesting approach indeed...


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: OOKLA]
    #7540897 - 10/20/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

how old do the grafted cacti need to be???
 
    I wonder if I could just slice a hole into the side of a cactus and impale it on a sharpened Pereskiopsis?????
  gonna go give it a try  :cool::thumbup:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7540944 - 10/20/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

ok man heres pics.....
  heres the root doner :tongue:

  and the subjects...  "Torch babies"
 
  one uprooted...

    ouch  where did my legs go???....
 
    ahhh thats better.....
 
    ok  heres the three.....
 

    I sure hope this works :cool:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7541117 - 10/20/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

ok did a bunch more......
 
  :bongload:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7541120 - 10/20/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Hey man, haven' seen ya in a while.  Una aint around, and many other great memebers aren't around anymore either :frown:  but tehres still lots of good ones here.

thats a great idea, like a reverse V graft with a twist...i will give this a try...awesome idea!


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7541608 - 10/21/07 04:49 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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ouch where did my legs go???....





did u replant the bottom halves?


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7541849 - 10/21/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

a couple but I didn't want to replant all of them.

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7542572 - 10/21/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I remember on the nook there was an idea that you could take several pereskiopsis stocks and plug them (kinda like this) into the sides of a cactus. So it would be like the cactus was growing on it's own roots or a rootstock, and then also had several pereskiopsis feeding into it from it's sides. I don't remember seeing it in action but it was a cool idea. Reminds me a of cactus powerplant.


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: plainswalker]
    #7542611 - 10/21/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

them grafts look good...wish i could do it...dam im poo at grafting...now my peyote arent puppin at mo...probly cause its now cold in uk.
ahhh well back to the drawing board....


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: plainswalker]
    #7542633 - 10/21/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

holy crap thats just an insane idea  :thumbup:
 
  next in line for tonight......
    the spider graft Terscheckii...  muahahaha

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7542758 - 10/21/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i cant wait to see what this is going to look like :goodluck:

*wanna sell one of those grafts you have there cpw? :cool:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7543021 - 10/21/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

cpw I don't see why it wouldn't work although it might be a good idea to angle the pereskiopsis so they go slightly upward as they plug in.  Not sure, just my 2 cents.

If you get it to work, I would be most interested in seeing the results!  Good luck bro! :cool::thumbup:


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: plainswalker]
    #7543529 - 10/21/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Teefizzle
      just let me see if this takes and then well talk :cool:
  plainswalker
    yeah I was thinking it would have to be a multi tiered pot so the Pereskiopsis sit lower and angle up :thumbup:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7543624 - 10/21/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

ok heres what I came up with.....
 
    I figure when I plant the Pereskiopsis around it the soil line for that will be an inch below the Terscheckii soil line.

    I will perform the surgery tonight :thumbup:

 
    I did a few more operations and took a pic of them under the flouros for a better image.....
 


  so what do you think ookla?????  are they all doomed????

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7543848 - 10/21/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

and a monster is born

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7543851 - 10/21/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Very nice tee! :thumbup:


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7543929 - 10/21/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Those look great. you should be good to go. Please keep us updated on the Frankenstien that you have created. Some of the best ideas come from just trying something different. Your set up looked just like mine, took a bunch and went for it. Plus I have the luxury of the texas sun to help. I tried grafting onto the flat surface of the perkopsis, all that kept happening was i kept losing pups. this way has been a savior to me. Hey the guy that asked about the cuttings shoot me a pm and i will send you some. Send me a safe addy.....

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7543974 - 10/21/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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and a monster is born





wow

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: OOKLA]
    #7543981 - 10/21/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

cool man thanks so much for posting this and getting my ass inspired.
    this is the type of shit that makes me want to jump up and down and then :bongload:  lol
  I know what you mean about the flat grafting too.
  I only had so many survivors with that method.
  thats why I had Torch seedlings so old with plenty of Pereskiopsis kicking around lol.
  If the grafting was that easy I would have grafted them at 2 weeks old every time.
  also when I was doing the first grafts with this method I went in so far when pushing them on and then I took it out so the juices and air bubbles could come out so the graft was tighter when it went back in :thumbup:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7544017 - 10/21/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

oh and heres the frankencactus from the top.
  if these 4 grafts take there will be 4 more added in a few weeks  :rockon:
 

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Legoulash]
    #7544037 - 10/21/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

it reminds me of the heart before the main menu of Doom 3 that has ID on it

It's organic steroids

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: AgingHippy]
    #7544082 - 10/21/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

once it gets the 4 more grafts it will be named Octavius  :crazy2:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7544205 - 10/21/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Oookla awesome tek! Out of curiousity how old are those baby torch's?

Cpw if octavius works out I will worship you that will be fucking awesome! I'm thinking that maybe the torch would outgrow all the pereskiopsis and rip out the grafts tho...


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: disturbed]
    #7544338 - 10/21/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

it is a Terscheckii  :cool:
  and I am hoping that would happen  :thumbup:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7544787 - 10/21/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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oh and heres the frankencactus from the top.
  if these 4 grafts take there will be 4 more added in a few weeks  :rockon:
 




lol u have created a monster!
did u push them all the way into the centre?


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7544896 - 10/21/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

interested to see how it works.  i tried that through the bottom once and failed...but through the sides you got its own roots too....interesting!

cant wait to see how it does.

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Legoulash]
    #7545708 - 10/22/07 03:41 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Rah said:
Quote:

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and a monster is born
 




wow



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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7545730 - 10/22/07 04:22 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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oh and heres the frankencactus from the top.
  if these 4 grafts take there will be 4 more added in a few weeks  :rockon:
 




lol u have created a monster!
did u push them all the way into the centre?



  I didnt push them all the way to the center. probably halfway to the center  and I am hoping right to the vascular ring :thumbup:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7545760 - 10/22/07 04:58 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

sweet, its alive

muuhhahahahaha


lol



looks cool i hope it works out :-))


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7545761 - 10/22/07 04:59 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

BTW....
    theres plenty of cactus porn threads on the shroomery but heres the first time you get to see a good penetration shot  :tongue: .........
 
 
  just tryin to keep you guys awake lol

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7546641 - 10/22/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

lemme stick my Pereskiopsis in your Terscheckii you little tease

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: AgingHippy]
    #7546664 - 10/22/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

:tongue:


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Nalim]
    #7550166 - 10/23/07 08:08 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Bravo to OOKLA and cpw1971!

A very interesting and unique project! You have my full attention on the "Frankencactus" i wonder first of all if they will bind and what will come out of the project!

Since i see people here have a thing for experimenting ,i will propose a procedure i proposed in another forum but i never saw its fruits,so to speak. In a Lophophora seedling-pereskiopsis graft one of course has to align the vascular bundles of the two plants.Many people have actually reported that you dont have 100% vascular bundle overlap and many times the Lophophora on top seems to be attached only in one point with the pereskiopsis rootstock. So here is a proposition : One could try to make a Lophophora (or any other cactus seedling) feed simutaneously off 3 different pereskiopsis! I envisage this to be able by bringing the 3 pereskiopsis tops to be cut together in a bundleand then cut in such a way (in the inner side,where they touch eachother) that the cut "platform " size they make on the top can accomodate a seedling,which will bind and feed of all three of them at the same time. In the light of the current project,one with sufficient skill could ,instead of a platform cut the three tips so when together they form the "pencil tip" mentioned originally ,which would accomodated the "hollowed" seedling.

Without visual representation i do not know if what i mean has been carried across,if anoyne has questions on what i am proposing as an idea,ask right away.

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Psiloman]
    #7550308 - 10/23/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I figured that was exactly the point of the frankencactus...


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Psiloman]
    #7550485 - 10/23/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

sounds to me like the method Kadakuda tried and it din't work.

  what I would do is  plug the small Loph seedling with the pencil method and let that get big......  once big enough cut it off and let it root and plant it......    then  do the Octavius method on it :cool:
  but let just see how well Octavius does first
  it is looking good so far as of last night. no shrinkage or shriveling so far.

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7551296 - 10/23/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

psiloman: why would u need more than one pereskiopsis for a loph seedling... they grow like fuck with a single root stock anyway...

cpw: one thing id say about your "octavius" method, is that u cant ever be sure if all of the stock plants are actually doing anything... IF all 4 do achieve vascular contact then id expect it to be too much for the scion to handle and it might split...
and if there are aeroles on the part of the stock that is inside the scion, they could easily pup and grow into the scion, so i hope u shaved all of them off :wink:

anyway i know your just playing around with this, so these are merely observations :tongue:


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7551489 - 10/23/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

yep  they are shaved off :thumbup:
  and yeah who knows even if it does survive through this if it is working or not.
  well I thought of that too  and I have 3 twin Terscheckiis of the same size. If Octavius outgrows them it is working.
  I am hoping it doesnt split it as well.
  now if it does work I will keep adding grafts from time to time as it gets taller
  another thing I thought of was if it decides to not use the roots of the Terscheckii anymore and they rot and start to rot the bottom of the cactus.  hmmmmmm
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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7552031 - 10/23/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I got an idea....
    once already grafted cacti become so big on pereskiopsis instead of cutting them off and rooting them why not just plug in more pereskiopsis???????
  :bongload:
  and I just happen to have some of those grafts for testing as well

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7553331 - 10/23/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

:crazy2: This is rather exciting.


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7554399 - 10/24/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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psiloman: why would u need more than one pereskiopsis for a loph seedling... they grow like fuck with a single root stock anyway...




Mostly for experimentation purposes and to see if one could achive significantly more growth this way before the graft slows down. A signle graft works WONDERS but i was mentioning an idea for maximizing it. By the way,what has Kadakuda tried? I must have missed something. Anyone willing to point me to the thread he/she mentions it?

Ah still what is proposed later on ,of implimenting a grown lophophora with more pereskiopsis if the "frankencactus" shows viable results , certainly surpases this idea :smile:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Psiloman]
    #7554449 - 10/24/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

lol i think lophs would be even more prone to splitting if u give them too much growth potential... but its worth a try for the sake of trying :yesnod:


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7554587 - 10/24/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

ok bro  please post pics  :smile:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7554800 - 10/24/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I for one am interested in psiloman's idea.  I saw that idea posted on another forum a while back, I think someone tried it but never posted results.  As long as you bound the peres together tightly and the cut was flat I think it would work.  Hell, you could even bind together a few more pereskiopsis and graft on a somewhat larger scion, within reason of course.  Probably not lophs because of imminent splitting, but you could do it with trichs.  Maybe it wouldn't work, maybe only one or two peres would take and there'd be normal or a little faster growth, or maybe the scion would erupt like a volcano.  I'd like to see it done but my grafting skills at the moment are somewhat sub-par. :tongue:


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: plainswalker]
    #7556540 - 10/24/07 07:14 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I for one am interested in psiloman's idea. I saw that idea posted on another forum a while back, I think someone tried it but never posted results




Yes i posted the idea with a schematic ,under a different username in another forum. The person that undertook the project ,showed us i think an initial photo of it but soon after the person dissapeared never to be seen again.I tried contacting him with no success..Hope the person is alright.

Hmm there are many things one coyld try in respect to grafting. For example one could even graft a Tricho or a Lophophora on a pereskiopsis and when it binds,one could put it into a hydroponics setup.Hmmm maximum water/nutrient uptake supplied to a plant that can handle it ,that gives it to plant that normally couldnt handle it in its own roots.If nothing else,its interesting.

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Psiloman]
    #7556783 - 10/24/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

that sucker better grow fast in a hydro setup because with such slow growing plants I like to set them in soil and not mess with it.
  your other idea is a good one though and its too bad the person never updated it.
  I will update mine
  speaking of updates :cool:....
  the Torches I grafted I took out of the humidity yesterday and the cut edges at the bottom are healing up nicely with no mold ect.  the cacti still look healthy so far.  a few of them when I was putting them on gave a little pop which I think was the top breaking from the pressure but they are ok so far.  maybe they will develop a few heads now from the damage????

    and  Octavius is doing good so far also :thumbup:
    the real test is when the Pereskiopsis are hard to pull on  and I am not gonna try that anytime soon :tongue:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7557244 - 10/24/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

if it splits, that just means you have another pereskiopsis outlet....
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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Psiloman]
    #7557562 - 10/24/07 11:42 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Psiloman said:

Yes i posted the idea with a schematic ,under a different username in another forum. The person that undertook the project ,showed us i think an initial photo of it but soon after the person dissapeared never to be seen again.I tried contacting him with no success..Hope the person is alright.





  maybe he got too close to finding out the truth.
  uh oh theres a knock at my door :eek:  :tongue:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7558105 - 10/25/07 06:30 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Just thought I'd throw in a comment on the problem mentioned earlier about the "powerplant" cactus possibly pulling the pereskiopsis out as it explodes with growth. - Just simply plant the pereskiopsis in separate pots that you can adjust according to the height of the cactus.

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: zer0vega]
    #7558442 - 10/25/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

because of the way that cacti grow the only thing I see happening is the width getting bigger.
    where the Pereskiopsis join into the cactus isn't gonna get any higher because only new growth will be any higher. :cool:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7558506 - 10/25/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

The ethno garden is getting neglected because of this thread. :lol:


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7564058 - 10/26/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

update
  they are all doing great :thumbup:
  it seems like the Torches are bonded to the Pereskiopsis already.
  growth should resume anytime now I am hoping

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7586667 - 11/02/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ok a lot of my smaller grafts arent looking too great but the bigger ones are doing well....
heres the bigger ones


and Octavius is doing good and I will graft in more Pereskiopsis once I get 4 more big enough.

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7586670 - 11/02/07 06:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

and heres a couple flat grafts that are over a year old. Octavius's brothers and sisters. Are cacti male or female???
also my 3 headed Torch on the right but that ones only a few months old.

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    #7592073 - 11/03/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ok heres more results for ya......
  well a few of them have developed rootbuds and I wonder if grafts actually send roots into the cacti they are grafted to and feed off them?????
 

  and heres a two header that was grafted with the roots left on. kinda octavius style but we will get to see the results quicker...
 

  and this next one is a comparison between flat grafting and impale style.  the one on the left was flat grafted and the other two are impaled....  and when you see it in the picture it isn't as dramatic as seeing it in person.  the flat graft may die but the others are gonna live
 


  but  yep    all hail Ookla  :bowdown:
  I wanna thank you for sharing this awesome method :cool:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7592679 - 11/03/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I wonder if grafts actually send roots into the cacti they are grafted to and feed off them?????



no... that means u have little to no vascular contact and they are throwing roots in search of water...


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7592689 - 11/03/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I wondered that as well.
I wish my big Pedros would throw out some damn roots. they have some big pups already and no roots yet.
of course I planted them upside down at the start and I pulled them up to look for roots and found white pups.
I am just learning lol
I have had them the right way for almost a few months now and only one threw out some roots so far.

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    #7592723 - 11/03/07 09:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i know wot u mean man, sometimes it feels like forever waiting for big chunks of cacti to root... then the small pieces root fast as hell...

probably due to the fact that the bigger pieces have more stored water to keep them alive and dont feel like rooting until they have dehydrated some... that graft that is throwing roots knows its gonna be dead soon if it doesnt do something fast to save itself :yesnod:


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7592746 - 11/03/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well it better throw them roots to the ground then cause if it doesn't wanna live as a graft I will be posting the pics of its demise.

and dont forget that cacti can take moisture from the air too :-)

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7593715 - 11/04/07 08:08 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hey Teefizzle
I put aside a few for ya....

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    #7595017 - 11/04/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

just take it off the stock and replant, no need to kill it :tongue:


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7595149 - 11/04/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:crazy2:  beautiful

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: AgingHippy]
    #7604178 - 11/06/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ok guys Octavius just got 2 more grafts added in and will get 2 more once I got some more Pereskiopsis ready.....

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    #7621961 - 11/11/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well Houston we have liftoff on the bigger ones.....


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    #7625270 - 11/12/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

here's a picture of the two cpw sent me, thanks again!


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: AgingHippy]
    #7629324 - 11/13/07 08:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

awesome, i got a ton of pereskiopsis and pups coming out all the time, i need to try this

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    #7641717 - 11/15/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

cool man post pics if you try it :thumbup:
  meanwhile.....
  a monster is born.....
 

  she got her last 2 grafts a few minutes ago :grin:

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    #7641788 - 11/15/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Whats the point of this? Seems fucking sweet. Is it just for fun?


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #7641795 - 11/15/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Radical! I am glad you went for this graft. Looks very cool. My fingers are crossed that they take bro.


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    #7641808 - 11/15/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Whats the point of this? Seems fucking sweet. Is it just for fun?




If all the grafts took, there'd be nine rooted plants feeding one growing tip. The point is accelerated growth (and fun too).


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    #7641830 - 11/15/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like a variation of the wedge graft.:thumbup:

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Cheezit]
    #7642021 - 11/15/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

heres more pics.....
the first 2 are the ones that popped when I put them on. as you can see the tops are growing weird now....




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    #7642038 - 11/15/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

others...





and all the ones that have taken other than the 2 I gave to Teefizzle ...

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    #7643866 - 11/16/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

and they look healthy as well :cool:

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    #7644072 - 11/16/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

man thats awesome. can it be done with any plant?


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #7647818 - 11/17/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

no actually Pereskiopsis is a cactus.
the thing that gave it away was its spines and Aeroles.

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    #7655360 - 11/19/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

heres some of the bigger ones....
they are really plumping up now



also the one with roots has them because....
it has an overhang
I noticed I have pups on the big Pedros shooting out roots and Pereskiopsis also does the same thing.
but the graft sure is growing awful fast for not having a good connection. I think it is receiving plenty of water from the Pereskiopsis. normal grafts don't do this because they have no overhangs

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    #7673269 - 11/24/07 01:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ya know, CPW, doing this to a peyote would look FAR more octopus like....smooth, roundish etc....when are you gonna do one of those. I may make myself a "Nephila williamsii"


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    #7673976 - 11/24/07 09:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't have any big enough :sad:

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    #7680032 - 11/25/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

so start one one peresk....be big enough in a few months :smile:  i got one set aside to try this on, but its too small as well lol


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    #7741611 - 12/10/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm..Any updates on this one guys? How are experiments going?

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    #7741640 - 12/10/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was just wondering the same thing. I'm excited to see how it turns out.

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    #7741677 - 12/10/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well I cut the Pereskiopsis stocks shorter on my initial grafts and they have been rooting for about a week now.
  the bigger ones are getting huge
  I will post some pics later
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    #7742510 - 12/10/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ok heres some pics...












as you can see I started a shitload of seeds and will be grafting like a mofo. theres some lophs in the bottom left corner. I also got Pedros, Torch and Bridgesii started in the tray. In about a month I will graft the bigger ones.

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    #7742585 - 12/10/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Oh man! Looks like the graft took pretty well. Are you gonna run some more experiments with those other seedlings? Way to go with all those seedlings! You've got fun times ahead of you. <3 succulents.

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    #7743520 - 12/11/07 12:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yep once they get big enough they will be grafted

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    #7759845 - 12/14/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)




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    #7760338 - 12/14/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sweet! I'm looking to get my hands on some pereskiopsis.

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    #8359049 - 05/03/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

update....
Octavius is doing great. also on a side note....
sometimes the impale grafts don't take so well or just stop growing or something because theres just not a good enough vascular connection. so what I did was regraft some but when I stuck them onto the Pereskiopsis I stuck a long spine from another cacti right through the center of the bottom. every one of those type grafts took very very well. I would imagine it would be cleaner just to use needles or pins. and not only that but use them on EVERY graft so the vascular connection stays tight and guarantees 100% succes at the graft taking.








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    #8359158 - 05/03/08 09:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

doesnt look like she has grown much since 11/15/07 so id imagine those arent doing anything. the only one pumping it up would be the base.

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    #8359159 - 05/03/08 09:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Have you seen a big difference in your frankenstein graft compared to a regular graft? Would you say it is growing much faster than most grafts?

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    #8359217 - 05/03/08 09:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

sturmer.....
yes they do grow faster

d.p.
yeah it went into dormancy unfortunately but now shes picking up again. but I did have other cacti the same size and Octavius has now passed them. so maybe the grafts are feeding it a little. I wish I has a temp control growroom though so my cacti would grow in full throttle all year long but they just dont at the moment lol.
so yeah anyways heres some new pics of the impale method I just took....











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also a small one....

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    #8359267 - 05/03/08 09:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

My Peresks just started to form offshoots on my Loph grafts. Have you ever let them get big eneough than rooted the offshoots from yours? Or do you just pull them off right away? I no it will slow down your grafts growth but if you don't have allot of Peresks thats another 2 do work with.

Do you even get offshoots with your grafting method?

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    #8359331 - 05/03/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

well if yours have dropped leaves i recommend leaving them be till they are large then the base stock. this allows the roots to grow much larger and revive the base stock to full growth. then chop it.

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so you dont hollow out the scion? you just stab it through? doesnt that damage the vascular tissue?

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: durban_poison]
    #8359449 - 05/03/08 10:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

no I do hollow the scion. thats what the third pic is of but its hard to see it. I use the razor's tip.
sturmer ...
yes I have a few that I have ungrafted and rooted on their own. heres a pic of one of them....

of course it would be a lot bigger if it weren't dormant for 4 months along with the rest of my cacti.

oh wait I read it wrong. yes I have let the offshoots of Pereskiopsis get big enough to root :-)

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    #8359519 - 05/03/08 10:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

seems like its less work just to graft them from earlier stages then to go through all of that. if it works, i guess why not.

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    #8359590 - 05/03/08 10:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks. I was wondering on what I should do. This is my first graft and the Peresks have just today started to form offshoots. Both of them. I realize it will slow down my grafts growth but it might be worth it to let it grow an inch or so and root the Peresks offshoots on their own to get two new root stocks to grow.

I'd like to get a Peresk collection as big as yours. I have dozens of seedlings I'd like to try grafts with.

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: durban_poison]
    #8359678 - 05/03/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

well flat grafting sucks.  Ooklas method is the shit  :thumbup:

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    #8359683 - 05/03/08 11:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

did they drop their leaves? if not just cut them off they will produce more later. only when the pereskiopsis drops its leaves do i let the offshoots grow to revive the stock. however if you have patience why not let them grow and graft more.

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    #8359707 - 05/03/08 11:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

why would flat grafting suck? two slices attach and your done. i get 99-100% success. why go through all the extra work and time to let your seedlings get to that size to be grafted? then all the cutting. what is your success ratio on this style of grafting? maybe if you have lots of time and minimal amounts of grafts why not try it. for now i will stick with flat grafting. in fact im making 100 grafts in a few days when my extra pereskiopsis come in. i have already stripped mine to stumps. i guess i will do a grafting log to show my success ratio and ease of flatr grafting. would it take longer then a hour to do a 100 of those grafts? it only takes a hour for me.

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: durban_poison]
    #8359755 - 05/03/08 11:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yeah the impale method may take longer to do. but when they take they grow a lot faster than flat grafts.
I am getting 100% success now too. I have lost a lot flat grafting.
also I have 100+ I will be grafting soon so I will document it....

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    #8359813 - 05/03/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

how about you and i start a thread. when will you be doing your grafts? i can wait when they come in. we will race. you might be right that yours grow faster considering how much vascular tissue is connecting. i say we do it with monthly updates you down? i have seen grafting compitions elsewhere its time we bring one to the shroomery.

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    #8359854 - 05/04/08 12:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

hehe sounds like a plan  :rockon:
  but yeah it is the amount of vascular tissue connecting that makes it grow fast.  the pin method ensures the best connection also.
  I gotta regenerate some Pereskiopsis so it may be a few weeks before I am ready.

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    #8359869 - 05/04/08 12:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

heres what i have going for grafting...
KK919 T. bridgesii

"los gentiles"

kk 923 i think im not running back again to check T. macrogonus..

Lumberjacks X T. pachnoi

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    #8359879 - 05/04/08 12:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

what varitey are you working with?

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    #8359957 - 05/04/08 12:48 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

my tray has Pedros, Bridgesii and Torches mixed.
  nice variety you got there though :cool:

  so yeah graft yours now cause your gonna need that head start  :tongue:

  I will count out how many I will graft.  I am thinking 100 possibly.

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    #8359981 - 05/04/08 01:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

how much longer till your ready? cause its on.:hehehe:

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    #8360144 - 05/04/08 02:14 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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well flat grafting sucks.  Ooklas method is the shit  :thumbup:




I would think flat grafting is better for beginning grafts. I wouldn't want to try that until I get more experienced at it.

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    #8360609 - 05/04/08 07:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

flat grafting is very hard in comparison
Dp...
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    #8360777 - 05/04/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i have failed nearly every time with flat grafting other than when the root stock is another column like cactus....perek is a no no for me...i fail each time and have lost many a young seedling


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    #8361607 - 05/04/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

you must not be getting the vascular rings aligned. do you keep them in high humidity for 2 weeks?

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    #8361682 - 05/04/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

dude it looks like those seedlings are getting too much light, thats why theyre red like that.... are they under flouros or mh? flouros are better for seedlings


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    #8361705 - 05/04/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

they are fine they grow right out of it. keeps for fatter seedlings.

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    #8361809 - 05/04/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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dude it looks like those seedlings are getting too much light, thats why theyre red like that.... are they under flouros or mh? flouros are better for seedlings




Your right about flouros being best. I had my seedlings under HPS. It worked fine for the first month but as soon as they turned from the initial yellow to green the HPS started burning them bad. They all started turning red. I even tried tissue paper as shade cloth but that didn't work. I finally moved some under Flouros and others outside to the shade and they started to turn green again.

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    #8363339 - 05/04/08 10:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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    #8363589 - 05/04/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

read page 5  :cool:

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    #8368472 - 05/06/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So, you will post pics soon?


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    #8368504 - 05/06/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

@cpw: Concerning your needle method for getting the graft to take better, would you think it would also work to, say, take a double-pointed needle (cactus or metal) and impale the perk vertically, then put the cactus that's being grafted onto the tip of the perk with the needle impaling the bottom of it?

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    #8369856 - 05/06/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I doubt it would hold it tight as well.
and the needle method isn't mine actually. they use it on bigger cacti I think.
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    #8371967 - 05/07/08 05:46 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I use pencil sharpeners... Heres my tek...











a loph i impaled, growing extra green

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    #8371970 - 05/07/08 05:50 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Flat grafting still rules though. here are some grafted lophs about a year apart...

a light fell on it and cut off about half the scion

as you can see it bounced back quite well

and here's my megaheaded bastard, which has now undergone a grafting onto P. torch


Thanks Ookla for the innovative grafting technique, it has proved to work pretty well thusfar...

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    #8374957 - 05/07/08 09:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

nice grafts HB
yeah teh flat grafting definitely works great with bigger stock. I wanna try some cleft grafts sometime though and see how that works.

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    #8382259 - 05/09/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

you ready cpw cause my pereskiopsis just got here?;)

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    #8383257 - 05/09/08 09:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I hope your ready....


we will see about flat grafting..j/k  :wink:

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    #8383520 - 05/09/08 10:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

fuck thats a lot of pereskis.... almost reminds me of asparagus


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    #8383981 - 05/10/08 12:32 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I took 100 Pereskiopsis cuttings 4 days ago and put them in moist soil so now I am waiting for them to root and send up shoots to graft to.
hopefully the bases don't rot as I usually use the glas of water method.
I will post pics tomorrow

....
well it looks like at least some of the cuttings got stem rot. I guess moist soil doesn't work so well. now I am gonna have to start my whole Pereskiopsis colection over from just a couple.




so I guess I wont be ready for any contest for a few months at least :-(.

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    #8391500 - 05/12/08 02:11 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Nice try on the mass peresk propagation! I also have done the same thing though not as big as yours (36 cuttings)
and found if you use an airy soil mixture and let it dry between waterings you can get a 100% success rate on rootings.
It also helps to wait a few more days for the wound on the peresk cuttings to callous up.

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    #8391916 - 05/12/08 08:41 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yeah I should have let them callous and used airy soil. I have seen many Pereskiopsis root on top of dry soil when I cut offshoots off.

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    #8396372 - 05/13/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i root mine in moist coir. never lost one yet. ocassionally they will root higher on the stem because they wooded up.

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    #8568766 - 06/26/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

ok update...
 
  Octavius has lost a few of it's legs. Two of the Pereskiosis have died off. But I did bring it outside a month ago and now it is out of dormancy and starting to grow fast. So fast theres a bunch of new growth thats white in color. At leats it was a few days ago.
  also...  I did 3 test pin grafts a few pages back of this thread...    the tiny one died of course. It was way too small.
  the other two took and are now growing well. I used no humidity tent or dome at all either.
  the pins held the graft tight.  the cacti skin did however turn very brown around the pin wound.
  I will post pics tomorrow.

    I think the pin method definitely helps tighten the vascular connection though :thumbup:

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    #8574408 - 06/28/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

ok heres some pics :cool:...










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    #8574473 - 06/28/08 02:19 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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ok heres some pics :cool:...



and Octavius with some of his friends





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    #8575625 - 06/28/08 09:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I just gotta give credit to everyone who put effort, creativity, and thought into all this

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    #8723902 - 08/04/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

ok heres an update.  I just impale grafted a Juuls giant that was severely etoliated. I used a spine from a Stetsonia to hold it in place....
 






  and heres a flat graft compared to an impale graft....
 




  the impale grafts get fatter and the success rate is much higher for me.  did I mention you dont need a humidity dome for impale grafts???

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new growth:shrug:

i would assume...

same way you know when a clone of a plant takes...


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    #8798382 - 08/19/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

you don't have to cut it off for a few years after grafting.  the core after time gets woody at the graft and also the graft will get too big for the Perskiopsis rootsystem to feed well. the growth will slow down. I am sending you a Terscheckii graft I did a few years ago thats still putting on new growth though and doesn't need to be seperated yet. If the Pereskiopsis stem shrivels up like a raisin though it is time. Sometimes that happens because the Pereskiopsis loses it's leaves. I think the Terscheckii is keeping the Pereskiopsis alive though. When the grafts are to small for photosynthesis and the Pereskiopsis has no leaves for photosynthesis the Pereskiopsis will die.

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    #8799564 - 08/20/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

damn, i need one to study too :lol:

maybe i should get about a dozen pere, now that i have thousands of spachianus seeds, i can practice my grafting on them, and once i get it down i can throw some lophs on there


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damn, i need one to study too :lol:

maybe i should get about a dozen pere, now that i have thousands of spachianus seeds, i can practice my grafting on them, and once i get it down i can throw some lophs on there




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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #8847801 - 08/29/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

cpw1971, haven't seen you monster cacti in a wile, will you post a new pic of your franken cactus?


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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: sniffy]
    #8848231 - 08/29/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yeah The Pereskiopsis that were grafted into it pretty much mostly died so I cut them all off of it yesterday.

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: cpw1971]
    #8854220 - 08/30/08 10:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

So just for clarification . .

One grafts a slow growing cacti to a pereskiopsis, and after a few years the cacti must be separated from the peres because it can no longer support the cacti?

If this is the case, would it be possible to use the octavius method to supplement a slow growing cacti's roots, without ever having to detach the pereskiopsis?

Or would the peres still get too much taken from it to remain attached?

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Re: Ookla's Ghetto Grafting guide..... [Re: kybish]
    #8855568 - 08/31/08 10:11 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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One grafts a slow growing cacti to a pereskiopsis, and after a few years the cacti must be separated from the peres because it can no longer support the cacti?




something like that...
pereskiopsis is not a great long term stock, for 2 or 3 years it is fine, but after that when it has lost all of its leaves it will eventually die or become too weak to support the scion...
it is great for seedling grafts as it gives such explosive growth to start with, after a while it loses its vigor somewhat and you are better off regrafting to a columnar stock or simply cut the scion off and allow it to root and grow on its own.


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