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all my panaeolus pictures
#7540266 - 10/20/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hello, i like to post all my pictures of last years of panaeolus species, in Mexico is easy to find panaeolus in the beginning of the rainy season , but difficult in the end,next year i will try to solve many mystery's in the panaeolus genus,Mexico is very diverse in panaeolus, as far i have observe,here is some few pictures... panaeolus antillarun or the correct name and other panaeolus this one is active in high dose more that 40 ,of course antillarun is inactive..
 panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens
 pan cyan.
 pan cyan
 pan cyan
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 at the left pan cyan a medium big one size, and in the right few ps.Mexicana note the purple-brown gill and the black one in panneolus. the same pan with few more PS. mexicana in the upper left and below a pan cyan that was growing next to the pin of PS. cubensis. i just put the other to compare size and that´s how i am you know me .
 same more close
 the cyan next to the PS. cubensis pin
 the pin of cubensis so you can compare all the sizes of mushrooms ..
 the tigrito panaeolus , maybe another type of panaeolus not cyanescens focus in the back specimen
 now focus in the front specimen
 another tigrito next to a cyan
 lateral view
 cyan old and not so specimens
 cyan
 the factory and home ground


 mushrooms of panaeolus sometimes get really big , i have not so good pictures , but maybe next year.sometimes many species of panaeolus grow in the same pie , or sometime mix with psilocybe or other genus in this picture are some panaeolus cyanescens, and some panaeolus that i not sure of id but active, not in the copelandia more in the panaeolus possible sprictinus or papiolonaceuss
 the cyan get real big here and the tigritos not so much , here is a common size PS. mexicana in mi hand.-
 see you next year
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: cactu]
#7540342 - 10/20/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: LouiseLouise]
#7540385 - 10/20/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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beautiful cyans man
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: 2859558484]
#7540417 - 10/20/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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We're gonna confuse the n00bz
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: LouiseLouise]
#7540538 - 10/20/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Excellent quality. I love them tigrito mushrooms as you call them, looks awesome, whats their full name?
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: bort]
#7540603 - 10/20/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hello, thank you guys.
Bridgelisa the tigritos is a specie that grow here in Mexico and i have notice also that bonghittr is also found then it in another location .there is no study in this specie is for sure active and in the copelandia family not in the panaeolus, bruise a lot, and may be copelandia tropicalis, or mexicana, or something else, i doubt to be cyanescens sometimes they get very reddish , i wish i had many pictures of this variant. and from the other active panaeolus not so potent as the copelandia but interesting also ... is raining , a bit , the last blessing ....
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: cactu]
#7540637 - 10/20/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Once again: NICE!
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: cactu]
#7540784 - 10/20/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The tigrito's are interesting. It will be cool to find out what they are specifically but Gerhardt says Panaeolus (Copelandia) mexicana is an invalid species. I need to translate the German to find out his reasoning for discarding it.
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: Workman]
#7540851 - 10/20/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah i have also heard that from mexicana, that may be the same tropicalis, or maybe Cambodians, sorry,but you know no one study panaeolus around here are few things from Guzman but that all i guess and few studies in the 50´s, 60´s 70´s , noting actual, , this year i was too late for then , the psilocybe did not want me to visit the panaeolus, or was i the one that get seduced for the secret mystic, also i hope you let us know about this new species soon ....:EDITED BY GG: try not to mention that here:,i have new location you may like to try ....:EDITED BY GG: try not to mention that here:, until then maybe bonghittr have the same specie..see ya
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: cactu]
#7541010 - 10/20/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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very nice, great pictures...
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: andrewss]
#7541043 - 10/20/07 10:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks, i will be posting all my pictures of many species as they appear in the rainy seasom first the panneolus then ps.mexicana and so on , hope you guys like it is my best slide show for you ... Fahkface i love you too.
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Edited by cactu (10/20/07 10:58 PM)
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: cactu]
#7543411 - 10/21/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
I need to translate the German to find out his reasoning for discarding it.
How much is it? I can ask in the german forum for an good translator.
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: Prankster239]
#7544978 - 10/21/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its very small and in fact I already attempted it.
----------------------------------------------------- Original German from Gerhardt (1996)
Copelandia mexicana Guzmán, nom. excl.
Typusstudien:
Sporen rhombisch, relative dickwandig, abgeflacht, glatt, mit deutlichem Keimporus, 7-11 x 5-7 x 3.5-4.5 μm, Farbe im Mikroskop hell bräunlich, transparent; Pleuro- und Cheliozystiden dickwandig, mit gelbbrauner Wandung, an der Spitze mit Kristallausscheidungen, ca. 35-50 μm lang.
Die helle Farbe der Sporen im Mikroskop und ihre rhombische Form lassen bei diesem Pilz keine Zugehörigkeit zur Gattung Panaeolus sensu lato erkennen. Auch die Tatsache, daß die Sporen in Kalilauge nicht aufhellen, sondern eher etwas nachdunkeln, spricht dagegen. Die Form der Hymenialzystiden ist darüber hinaus für Panaeolus oder Copelandia völlig untypisch. Die kristallinen Ausscheidungen an der Spitze der Zystiden erinnern sehr an die Metuloiden von Inocybe. Für die exakte Zuordnung zu einer bestimmten Gattung kann ich mich hier aber nicht entscheiden. --------------------------------- Translated:
Copelandia mexicana Guzmán, nom. excl.
Study type:
Spores rhombic, relatively thick-walled, flat, smooth, with a strong germ pore, 7-11 x 5-7 x 3.5-4.5 μm, color in the light microscope brownish, transparent; Pleurocystidia and Cheliocystidia with thick yellow walls, the apex with excreted crystals, about 35-50 μm long.
The bright color of the spores in the microscope and their rhomboid form indicates that this fungus can not belong to the genus Panaeolus senso lato. Also, the fact that the spores in potassium (hydroxide) do not fade, but rather darken, speaks against it. The form of the hymenium cystidia is also totally uncharacteristic for Panaeolus or Copelandia. The crystalline precipitates on the apex of the cystidia are very reminiscent of Inocybe metaloids. For the exact assignment to a particular genre, I can not decide here.
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I did this rather quickly and my German is very rusty. It is probably a good idea to have it checked over.
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Edited by Workman (10/22/07 09:53 AM)
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: Workman]
#7545501 - 10/22/07 01:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I did this rather quickly and my German is very rusty. It is probably a good idea to have it checked over.
you speak german? You translate it very good 
quote]color in the light microscope brownish
the color is light brownish
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Pleurocystidia and Cheliocystidia with thick yellow walls,
with thick yellow brown walls
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: Prankster239]
#7546099 - 10/22/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, I don't speak German but I am familiar with Germanic languages enough that I can do crude translations of French, Spanish and German. It also helps that many of the mycological terms are similar and descriptions follow certain patterns.
Thanks for those corrections, especially the "light" microscope one. That trippped me up as sometimes compound microscopes are called light microscopes.
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: Workman]
#7546160 - 10/22/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hello thank you for the information this is 11 years old , i knew about it , but there is no been good study since then ?, well maybe is time for the new mycologist kick out the old ones, begging using DNA identification for taxonomic features , it will need at least 10 member in each genus around the world we can all share our finds and open the wall of knowledge beyond the unknown territory , jaja is a dirty and hard job but someone have to do it, all the people in the top of the mycological career , are the best, for sure, but they are getting old , time for new blood get in to the system  so i´m still confuse where do they put copelandia mexicana , Mexico is so huge, diverse, and full of cow and pastures, that i no doubt that special panaeolus or copelandia grow here, it will be like denied the existence of another beings in the universe .... but lot of work have to be carry on thanks workman and Prankster239
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: Workman]
#7546427 - 10/22/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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After doing a bit more research, I am convinced that Copelandia mexicana is actually a species of Inocybe. The metaloids are classic Inocybe and the spores are similar to several described species of Inocybe. I have made an entry into my shroomery journal with more information including a translated version of Guzman's original description.
It would be well worth looking for this species to secure a good photograph and samples.
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: Workman]
#7546656 - 10/22/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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do you have a link for that also , does this copelandia, grow on dung and have brown spores, does it blue ?
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: cactu]
#7546672 - 10/22/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomery journals are accessed by clicking the little book icon under the avatar.
Here is a direct link to mine.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Journal/437
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: Workman]
#7546701 - 10/22/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great cyan pics, they look close to the copes that I pic.
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: Workman]
#7546823 - 10/22/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have never seen the original article but i read some where about this copelandia mexicana ... this thing is from 78´s , what i see in all the description is that he is describing a mushrooms not in the genus panaeolus or copelandia what he put it in that place, you see i have never see the original article but i though all this discussion about this taxon was for a mushrooms that resemble some how copelandia cyanescens, does not have black spores, does not say that grow on dung or at least in pasture land, is in pretty low altitude 500 meters that´s pretty hot , and maybe pretty wet, but i was guessing maybe some of the other variant i have seem , have some thing relation with this find of copelandia mexicana, but i see is clearly not , is clearly a miss identification of Guzman , that´s no discussion, but no are many panaeolus or copelandia here that need study in chemical and taxonomic studies, .
i have never found something that describe what Guzman said is copelandia mexicana or that kind of inocybe i doubt it to be active , because all the active inocybe show a green blue reaction almost all the time in the base , in inocybe aerugenesens , then go blackish , so this specie they said is not even active, that why i believe they end the discussion long ago ...
no workman we gonna find the copelandia mexicana with gonna rename it next years , or at least make new location for know species but new in Mexico ......
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Re: all my panaeolus pictures [Re: nushroom]
#7574625 - 10/29/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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