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primordialoddity
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Broken Jars and alot of blood.
#7540199 - 10/20/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I just knocked up one jar of LC...quite a few problems happened...
I had 2 jars of 500ml. One with a "stir rod" one without. The one without broke upon me picking it up and in turn just the weight of the glass CUT THE FUCK out of my pinky finger, like non-stop bleading everywhere...as for the jar #2 with the rod in it, I re-cleaned my work area, and knocked it up even though it had a crack in the bottom, i picked it up (before I saw the crack) by just the lid and tapped on the bottom with a pair of scissors, nothing gave away, so I knocked it up with 2/2.5 of B+ spores...
I sterilized at 15psi for about 19 mins...I don't know what I did wrong? Are some brands of jars weaker? I got mine from HELL-mart.
Also, I'm using dextrose/malt, all water is distilled, plastic lids, with filter discs, then foil over the top.
Things I noticed that concerned me:
-High condensation and evaporation within the LC jar wich caused sediments to "stick" on the jar walls above the liquid. The condensation scares me due to the fact of contams breading amongst the lid/filter disc. Is this normal and expected? Should I be alarmed?
I'm not quite sure what I did wrong with my Sterilizing, I did it by the book.
Also another issue, I noticed all my syringes are collecting a large portion of spores in the syringe cap and won't shake or flow back down into the syringe. err. not so much the one I just used, but my other three in the fridge.
All-in-all I'm disapointed for the time-loss factor (ie sterilze time and boiling alot of water (have hard water here). Not to mention my fucking jar wound, DEEP! I'm really trying to stay positive though, I mean, malt and dextrose and jars are cheap, so it's not a mjor loss. And at least the cut wasn't on my fretting hand! ... though piano might be hard for a few weeks.
Life has been a BITCH lately, and then this...
any input would be great, thanks in advance.
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dude, slow down in your work area...
sorry to hear about the bloodloss!!!
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ThePyschonaut52
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Sorry to hear that.
I had a similiar problem last month; I was carrying a half-gallon jar of GT downstais to the kitchen to use, and on the 5th last step, I tripped. The jar was at chest level, and shattered when I hit my linoleum floors. I had to get 41 stitches, I pierced a lung, and spent a while in the hospital.
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jesus christ lol. thats why im really careful, i check the jars with bigass heat resistant gloves when they're done PCing, then they all go in the original box that holds 12.
anyways make sure your putting the correct amount of water in your pressure cooker along with a splash of white vinegar.
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primordialoddity
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Re: Broken Jars and alot of blood. [Re: ButterWeasels]
#7540356 - 10/20/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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DAMN ThePyschonaut52 you should get a medal and be promoted dude!
ButterWeasels I put in a little over 3/4" but not over 1" (as the manual says) would my issue possibly be too much or not enough water, forsay? oh and I thought white vinegar was for cleaning? Is that what purpose you are implying?
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Edited by primordialoddity (10/20/07 06:50 PM)
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fyouseeku
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The only time I hear this happen to people is when the jars come into direct contact with the bottom of the pressure cooker.
Other then that I could not tell you
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primordialoddity
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Re: Broken Jars and alot of blood. [Re: fyouseeku]
#7540512 - 10/20/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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My sterilizer (AA 1941x sterilizer) came with a tray in the bottom...no contact with the main sterilizer, impossible.
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primordialoddity
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Well I'm gonna discard the other jar, it has leaked a few droplets in my incubator, so the crack is all the way through, discarding it. Cleaning my kitchen and gonna try it again...any more advice? I don't see how anything went wrong? I'd excpect if I was doing mass amounts of grain jars SOME would end up getting broke, but I just used two and both of them broke?
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I'm not entirely sure this is possible but here is what may have happened, or at least my wild guess. The 3/4 inch of water completely vaporised and turned to steam leaving the rack to sit on top of sterilizer, got as hot as the bottom would have been and this it would have been as if the jars were sitting on the bottom?
Possible? I dunno. Could have been shitty jars. what brand?
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Re: Broken Jars and alot of blood. [Re: MonChe]
#7540653 - 10/20/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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MonChe said: I'm not entirely sure this is possible but here is what may have happened, or at least my wild guess. The 3/4 inch of water completely vaporised and turned to steam leaving the rack to sit on top of sterilizer, got as hot as the bottom would have been and this it would have been as if the jars were sitting on the bottom?
Possible? I dunno. Could have been shitty jars. what brand?
That is a possibility. Another is the jars had hairline cracks already. Before you PC again check the jars very good.
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primordialoddity
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Re: Broken Jars and alot of blood. [Re: robanero]
#7540699 - 10/20/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There was liquid left over when done so no.
The Jar brand is Golden Harvest. And these jars are brand new.
I'm gonna try two more if they break again, then I'm gonna try a differant brand I guess.
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ThePyschonaut52 said: Sorry to hear that.
I had a similiar problem last month; I was carrying a half-gallon jar of GT downstais to the kitchen to use, and on the 5th last step, I tripped. The jar was at chest level, and shattered when I hit my linoleum floors. I had to get 41 stitches, I pierced a lung, and spent a while in the hospital.
dear god and here i was thinking this was a SAFE hobby
you guys need to be alot more careful lol now i feel like i'm going to have a horrible accident at any moment
nah i'm jk, i was trying to put some ventilation holes in my terrarium and when i got to the very last one, the plastic shattered and my hand went through a pretty small and jagged hole, ended up losing a huge chunk of meat from my last knuckle and a gash down my forefinger and up my thumb (perfectly J-shaped, funny since my name starts with a J)
the skin from the j-shaped wound was stuck the the plastic, i pulled it off and it felt like a rubber band, it actually stretched to about 4x the original length before breaking eww! lmao
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Re: Broken Jars and alot of blood. [Re: anarchOi]
#7540778 - 10/20/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I remember the first time I cut my hand open with a shattered jar... 1500ml beauties, cracked in the PC. I noticed the cracks because I always take the jars out by the lid, VERY CAREFULLY, and check for cracks, but I stupidly didn't separate the cracked jars from the uncracked ones. After hours of cooling, I started shaking up and pounding the jars in preparation for inoculation, and slammed the bottom of a cracked jar with my palm. It cut deep, everywhere, fingers and palms, rye all over the kitchen floor. I remember the tremendous calm that over took me, watching the rye hit the floor and my hand start to bleed. I stood there, motionless, knowing that thrashing around would just endanger my hand more... suddenly, a smile grew across my lips as I watched my blood mingling with the rye on the floor. I decided long ago that I am willing to bleed for this beautiful work we take upon ourselves... it was gratifying to finally get a chance to do it.
I cleaned up the mess and wrapped my hand up with bandages best I could, but I was REALLY REALLY bleeding, bleeding through the bandages... as I worked through the rest of the jars, shaking them up and pounding them, my blood found its way through the bandages and onto the coffee filters on top of the jars. This made me smile again... the vessels purified to be worthy of the Divine bearing the marks of my sacrifice. Those jars colonized especially quickly, and I lost none to contamination... coincidence?
But in all seriousness, if you don't want to cut your hand up more, be more gentle with the jars and the PC. Don't vent the steam, just remove the heat source and let the steam vent out by itself with the seal at 15 PSI until it stops hissing... that way, there's no sudden drop in pressure or temperature to crack the jars.
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Edited by PsiloSapien (10/20/07 08:47 PM)
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primordialoddity
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Re: Broken Jars and alot of blood. [Re: PsiloSapien]
#7540799 - 10/20/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah? I flipped the valve open as soon as I shut off the heat.
I'm thinking I'll do 15 mins @ 15 PSI and "Naturally" let it depressurerize.
And yeah, I agree, it will be worth some blood.
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Quote:
primordialoddity said: "Naturally" let it depressurerize.
Good Idea.
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PsiloSapien
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Re: Broken Jars and alot of blood. [Re: MajorDick]
#7540896 - 10/20/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm helpful ^_^
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primordialoddity
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Re: Broken Jars and alot of blood. [Re: PsiloSapien]
#7540906 - 10/20/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've got ALOT of mineral build-up on my sterilizer, I'm using my second base while I clean the one I used last night. Like I mean, it has an INSANE amount of white all over the walls...I boiled all water used.
hard water sucks.
I gotta go buy some mineral/lime remover or something.
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Re: Broken Jars and alot of blood. [Re: PsiloSapien]
#7540936 - 10/20/07 10:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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PsiloSapien said: I remember the first time I cut my hand open with a shattered jar... 1500ml beauties, cracked in the PC. I noticed the cracks because I always take the jars out by the lid, VERY CAREFULLY, and check for cracks, but I stupidly didn't separate the cracked jars from the uncracked ones. After hours of cooling, I started shaking up and pounding the jars in preparation for inoculation, and slammed the bottom of a cracked jar with my palm. It cut deep, everywhere, fingers and palms, rye all over the kitchen floor. I remember the tremendous calm that over took me, watching the rye hit the floor and my hand start to bleed. I stood there, motionless, knowing that thrashing around would just endanger my hand more... suddenly, a smile grew across my lips as I watched my blood mingling with the rye on the floor. I decided long ago that I am willing to bleed for this beautiful work we take upon ourselves... it was gratifying to finally get a chance to do it.
I cleaned up the mess and wrapped my hand up with bandages best I could, but I was REALLY REALLY bleeding, bleeding through the bandages... as I worked through the rest of the jars, shaking them up and pounding them, my blood found its way through the bandages and onto the coffee filters on top of the jars. This made me smile again... the vessels purified to be worthy of the Divine bearing the marks of my sacrifice. Those jars colonized especially quickly, and I lost none to contamination... coincidence?
Man, I wish I had been tripping when I read that! I would have probably dropped to my knees and started to worship. LOL!
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PsiloSapien
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If you're really concerned about your water, I'm guessing you're not adding it to the substrate? Those big jugs of water are pretty cheap... not as cheap as the tap water they truly are, but one gallon of water is a LOT of pressure cooking. Why not just use that?
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primordialoddity
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Re: Broken Jars and alot of blood. [Re: PsiloSapien]
#7540964 - 10/20/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah that'd probably be a good idea...it's bad for every aspect of this, and water is used at every stage.
I'm using the largest sterilizer too though, but yeah a gallon would do a few.
It'd be nice on LCs/grains/humidifers/casings too.
errr.
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primordialoddity
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But can someone explain to me how to avoid moisture/condenstation on/in my filter discs?
I cover with foil. But still doesn't wet filter disc = contam? Or is the wetness normal?
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whoa whoa, wait... 15 minutes? The only time I ever PC'd less than an hour was with petri dishes...
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Re: Broken Jars and alot of blood. [Re: PsiloSapien]
#7541439 - 10/21/07 02:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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LC, the tek calls for 15-20 mins, i did like 19.
I plan on doing 2.5 hours for spawn bags.
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