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Re: The Deification of Masculinity [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7564666 - 10/26/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I read the entire collected works of both Freud and Jung at the college library when I was 14.  :grin:  It is easier to understand Freud's concepts through the views of those who studied with him and/or who used his theories as a springboard for their own work.  However, my work in Freudian dream analysis was what truly clarified his Libido concept for me, as applying the idea of cathexis to dream topics revealed the similarity of the Libido to prana or chi.


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Re: The Deification of Masculinity [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7564884 - 10/26/07 09:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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A lot like yours, taken essentially from Jung who saw a wider context than his mentor's essentially sexual content. It is the psychic energy like Chi or Prana as you say.



I'm willing to forgive Freud for attributing everything to sexual repression, considering how sexually repressed society was in the Victorian era in which he wrote(which unfortunately still has not been completely undone).


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Re: The Deification of Masculinity [Re: Veritas]
    #7564909 - 10/26/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That reading list is impressive! I have read a good deal of Freud, and all of Jung's collected works which I own. I also underwent 8 1/2 years of Jungian analysis uner 3 Zurich-trained analysts. My 2nd analyst was analyzed by Yolanda Jacobi who was his training analyst. She had been analyzed by Freud, Adler and Jung.

Freud, Adler and Jung figured as 3 of the 6 theorists whose theories contributed to my dissertation. The first 3 represented our deterministic nature, the latter 3 our existentially free-willed nature grafted on. The 7th theorist was me - a synthesis which followed the Vajrayana chakra scheme as explained by Lama Anagarika Govinda. Libido works through the chakra models and becomes transmuted according to the models. In the Kundalini model, the chakras are like step-up transformers at each center. In the Buddhist model the energy seems to transmute like water heated by fire which turns to steam, which turns a turbine which converts kinetic to electric energy which can be converted to cold fluorescent light. Prana undergoes different modifications which manifest (in my dissertation) as different kinds of human motivation. Each Western theorist represented the phenomenology of each chakra center of motivation.

I used to be a lot smarter than I am today :smile:.


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Re: The Deification of Masculinity [Re: Silversoul]
    #7566737 - 10/27/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There are many people whose personalities constellate primarily around the anal-genital (or in the combined Tibetan Yoga, Root Center) center. Freud's perception, IMO, was the phenomenology of such people (the Hindu Yoga's Muladhara & Svadhisthana chakras). Their's is a life of instinct, of survival, violence and sexuality. It is life on the street, or in the jungle. It is essentially a human personality governed by Darwinian self-preservation and preservation of the species. It is a life which can demonstrate craftiness, slyness and the deception often illustrated by mammalian life in their fight for survival. Lot's of fear colors the emotional life. It is basic and as such it is base, but if it does not form the Prima Materia for transmutation, then it remains leaden and gravitationally tends toward crude materialism.

Because it does not transmute or sublimate into more sublime forms, there is little moral development and hence the instinctual life is not truly moral, it can only adopt (introject) a Superego from its original caregivers. If social norms are not imparted, and because higher internal loci of motivation based on compassion lie dormant, criminality is often the outer manifestation of Root Center oriented people who may understandably be described as 'low-life,' because their predominant center of inner life is anal-genital.

On the 'totem-pole' chakra psychologies, we all have this lowest face on the totem-pole, but as one moves upward, less and less deterministic factors dominate the person, and more and more free-willed existential factors are enjoined. I borrowed this idea from Ram Dass' book The Only Dance There Is and developed my own theory by applying the Western theorists of human motivation who seemed to fit best with the phenomenology described by a Vajrayana model (according to Lama Anagarika Govinda's work and with whom I consulted).

With a chakra model, each personality theorist is completely correct within the 'sphere' of each motivation. Each theory is then not contradictory but can be arranged in a hierarchical order or ascending and descending developments according to an ancient model that derived from experience not abstract theory. Perhaps a stack of 'planes' is a better image like the chakra wheels with the spinal cord running through their middles like an axel through the hub of several wheels. This scheme translates into th Buddhist stupa or chorten:

Waving at you from the space-time nexus of Amherst, Massachusetts-1993.

Freud is still the unparalleled phenomenologist of Root Center psychology, here relegated to the yellow cube which is the most earth-bound center. Only after the experience of the Crown Center [OM] is the nature of this center transmuted into a vehicle for Enlightened action. Its natural (anal-genital) tendencies are transcended (sublimated and included in the whole), its 'seed syllable' [AH] is transferred to the Throat Center to become part of the Mystery of Body, Speech and Mind [OM-AH-HUM]. The Earth or Root Center becomes the mirror, or witness to Enlightened action as illustrated in the Bhumisparsha Mudra of Buddha touching the Earth as his witness to Enlightenment.



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