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Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users
#7538925 - 10/20/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey guys... I'm making this post because I'm interested in hearing what you guys think are the differences, if any, between people who love psychedelics and those who don't. Are they inherent? Differences in personality? People who use psychs are more highly evolved ? Let's hear 'em.
Personally, I believe I was supposed to smoke weed. The reason for it may seem pretty coincidental, but I think there's something to it:
When I was a little kid, there was this leaf pressed inside of my dictionary. I looked at it every single day. I admired it, I adored it. I'd go so far as to say I loved it. Weird, I know, but hey I was a kid lol. But I never knew what the leaf was or where it came from.
Years later, after I had grown up and began smoking the herb, I was on the phone with my older brother (12 years older than me). I told him for the first time that I smoked, and he said "Well, you know, that leaf that you liked so much when you were a kid was a pot leaf." Turns out he had been growing up in our attic (my parents eventually found out) and he had put the leaf in that dictionary, and I guess I found it.
Basically, I've been a pothead since I was six. 
Now let's hear your thoughts, either on the proposed question, or my story!
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7538980 - 10/20/07 11:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was just thinking about this last night
As far back as I can remember i have wanted to experience psychedelics.
I think the "want" to try them inherently comes from a well educated family. Someone who has a strong mind, and is a critical thinker.
People that WOULDNT want to experience psychedelics. Well honestly, its hard for me to imagine myself NOT wanting psychedelics. So i cant really speak for them
I honestly have no idea why you wouldn't want to try LSD one time in your life.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Helpme1]
#7539019 - 10/20/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, as hard as it is to grasp, a lot of people don't really care about their own advancement as individuals or enlightenment.
It really depends on if you're a recreational user or a spiritual/self improving user. I find the latter people to be the more evolved kind, for the simple fact that they merely take personal well being and self improvement into consideration. But, on the other hand, anyone who uses psychedelics will be more evolved because you learn from experience. The bigger the experience, the more you learn. And the psychedelic experience is a pretty significant experience.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: AlCapwn]
#7539111 - 10/20/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people are scared... some people aren't interested... some people don't believe in the spiritual enhancement, doubting that any "simple drug" could lead to enrichment of the soul. They don't see the psychedelic experience as anything more than what it is on its surface: a potentially harmful disturbance of consciousness at its roots caused by an illegal drug. I'll admit, it's kind of bewildering that people would "not understand" the simple concept of derangement of consciousness to facilitate study of its makeup, even though I refuse to berate those who make the choice not to trip. Too many people I respect.
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just because you don't want to try drugs doesnt mean you don't care about enlightenment. Look at Bhuddism ya asshole
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I have always had a somewhat psychedelic mindset. When I was 5 I had a spontaneous mystical experience, when I was 9 I became very interested in LSD (because of an anti-drug advertisement!). I have always been deeply interested in the nature of consciousness.
For me there was an intrinsic leaning towards philosophy, consciousness, meaning, the true nature of the universe, etc.
I think some basic qualities which may predispose one to use psychedelics are: curiosity, a desire to explore, a sense that there is more in the universe than one is aware, some confidence in handling extreme experiences, and not being afraid of losing control.
In addition, my government has marketed psychedelics as party drugs, escape drugs, and fun drugs, and it has encouraged people to use them for those reasons as well.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Freedom]
#7539389 - 10/20/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just like viewing the world in another perspective. That my friend is why i love psychs oh and of course for the spiritual uses too.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Freedom]
#7539402 - 10/20/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I think the main factor of those who look to better themselves but do not use psychadelics is because they would look at it as being weak to need a drug to further your mind. I know this because I had this mindset for the longest time. But then I realized that while you can further your mind without drug, it's impossible to even attempt to experience the psychadelic experience without ingesting those chemicals. I also did alot of research into psychadelics and learned they may very well have a truly spiritual connection with us (spirit molecule type stuff), not just some chemical that makes our brain function in the "wrong way".
I tried explaining the relation of DMT to the human body, and how it is related to acid and shrooms to my dad, but he straight up told me that he's never going to see my side of things which is really sad since he's an ex-hippie who grew up in haight ashburry. I used to really respect him and think that he had alot of experiences and knew what he was talking about when it comes to drugs, but it seems to be the other side of things for both of my parents.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Acaterpillar]
#7540460 - 10/20/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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there are places you can go that others will not find or can not find, it is sad.
but maybe they will find places we cannot locate - something better than eyecandy - brain candy or sex >>> it might be sad for them?
maybe not.
psychedelics are like wealth to those who like it money is like a drug to the wealthy ?
I much prefer blotter acid to cocaine so it is not about pleasure but it is
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: learningtofly]
#7540574 - 10/20/07 07:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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learningtofly said: just because you don't want to try drugs doesnt mean you don't care about enlightenment. Look at Bhuddism ya asshole
I don't think he meant it that way. At least from the way that i've been reading his post. Huxley, and many other theologian's use a term called 'gratuitous grace', which i think is what he was trying to describe. Even though you can reach a state of nirvana or zen through meditation, and other defining activities; hallucinogens enable you, through god's or the gratuitous grace of whatever you believe in, to show you the destination without having to experience all of the build up and hard work in other activities. Not to say that i think the state of mind such as ego death or other states of mind should be reached so easily and without any commitment, but i don't think that nearly as many people would be experimenting for that state of mind with meditation, when so many people have practiced their whole lives and have not reached the state of zen that you can get in focus so easily with hallucinogens.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Helixx]
#7540655 - 10/20/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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helixx i don't think psychs show you the destination without the work but they do enhance what you got going already. they do it in a layering way. (slower fading) -> richer moments. richer senses, richer memory. richer imagination.
it is a bit exhausting, but at healthy intervals psychedelic envigorates life a great deal for some people.
not too difficult to compare it with meditation or meditative results the simmilarity is mental state shifting. i.e. layering more layering becomes more dream like. to the point of halucination, to the point of delrium, and then to amnesia. so you want some moderation, & it can't be daily.
meditative absorption can produce simmilar phenomena, but it is not about the phenomena, it is about knowing one's self directly. like manning a boat or raft, doing a daily discovery thing.
i guess if you engage in psychedelic for healing and discovery it is a good adjuct to meditation and vice versa.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: redgreenvines]
#7540926 - 10/20/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have a friend who has clearly stated to me "NO, never" to LSD. his reasoning was that he would be too mentally destroyed, and the idea of LSD terrifies him. This may be either because he's just straight up scared of it, or kinda like AlCapWn said, he just doesnt want to explore himself. but props to him if he knows his limits. hes a pretty stable guy, but w/e his flavour is.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Kanker]
#7540941 - 10/20/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmm... there would probably be a clearer line between a psychedelic user and a non-user if they were legal and didn't have bullshit propaganda being spread around about them.
For now, the line is blurred.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7540967 - 10/20/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly, I think the sway of bullshit propaganda is vastly overestimated. While it's true that D.A.R.E. instructors visit schools and tell you about how awful LSD is, and there are ads on TV and laws against it, art (from music to visual arts to film) clearly and openly spread the message of the power of psychedelics. We lament that psychedelic art is used in corporate advertising, but consider that psychedelic art is used in corporate advertising.
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one of my best true freinds is just a drinker. hell smoke pot. but not usualy or that much. he knows im a student of the soil. and he always is cool to trip with, chill with, jam with some people just have no drive to go "there" i have a perticularly strong drive
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: notapillow]
#7541047 - 10/20/07 10:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just loves to get fucked up. like right now! Honestly, I love experiencing what the human mind has to offer. Our brains are so fucking amazing and when the correct substance is used I feel it is just unlocking an amazing part of my brain.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: budsmoke]
#7541099 - 10/20/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What does "fucked up mean"?
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: elmanimal] 1
#7541135 - 10/20/07 11:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll admit, at first I just wanted to "see shit thats not really there." But after doing shrooms for the first time I realized how much power these drugs have. I gained a respect for not only drugs, but everything this world we live in has to offer. Psychedelics have so much to offer us, It's hard to believe there are so many people turned off by this idea of enlightenment.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7541224 - 10/21/07 12:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think people who don't use psychedelic drugs are fucking idiots.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: JunkFood]
#7541240 - 10/21/07 12:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol deep... jk made me laugh
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Flugon_Nine]
#7541249 - 10/21/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think a big difference is that people who don't trip are often very absorbed into their particular game. They may be totally oblivious of how narrow and selectively constructed their reality is, which can make them seem like delusional or trapped in some strange waking dream. On the flip side though, the rigidness of beliefs, inflexible sense of reality and shared social systems they have also make for more effective, efficient and motivated people. They may be motivated to horrible, or just misguided things, but they play their role very well because they really believe in it. Also, with less awareness and thinking necessary they can make decisions better and relate to other people.
Using psychedelics can make you much more perceptive, empathic and have a better appreciation of beauty, form and patterns. It can connect you to a deeper reality, both higher into the realm of consciousness, and lower into the biological/evolutionary world. However, that can be isolating because other people cannot see what you see.
The downside of tripping is that when your reality becomes more flexible, and state becomes more objective your functionality in the human world decreases. You don't want to, or even can't play the normal games and you can see through all the social illusions. Alot of heavy acid users can end up blank or burnt out because they eroded too much of their personality away and are left adrift or ineffective. Or you can become impulsive which can be both good and bad. One phenomena is similar to what happens in old age, it gets harder to verbally articulate things because there is too much information to sort through and you feel retarded. On the other hand, what you do think and articulate can be more original and elegant than a non-tripper. I notice this in alot of psychedelic users, they will say incredibly witty and wise things interspersed with seeming dumb or spaced out. I feel this way too sometimes.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Divided_Sky]
#7541260 - 10/21/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Divided_Sky said: I think a big difference is that people who don't trip are often very absorbed into their particular game. They may be totally oblivious of how narrow and selectively constructed their reality is, which can make them seem like delusional or trapped in some strange waking dream. On the flip side though, the rigidness of beliefs, inflexible sense of reality and shared social systems they have also make for more effective, efficient and motivated people. They may be motivated to horrible, or just misguided things, but they play their role very well because they really believe in it. Also, with less awareness and thinking necessary they can make decisions better and relate to other people.
Using psychedelics can make you much more perceptive, empathic and have a better appreciation of beauty, form and patterns. It can connect you to a deeper reality, both higher into the realm of consciousness, and lower into the biological/evolutionary world. However, that can be isolating because other people cannot see what you see.
The downside of tripping is that when your reality becomes more flexible, and state becomes more objective your functionality in the human world decreases. You don't want to, or even can't play the normal games and you can see through all the social illusions. Alot of heavy acid users can end up blank or burnt out because they eroded too much of their personality away and are left adrift or ineffective. Or you can become impulsive which can be both good and bad. One phenomena is similar to what happens in old age, it gets harder to verbally articulate things because there is too much information to sort through and you feel retarded. On the other hand, what you do think and articulate can be more original and elegant than a non-tripper. I notice this in alot of psychedelic users, they will say incredibly witty and wise things interspersed with seeming dumb or spaced out. I feel this way too sometimes.
That is exactly how I feel about the differences in the two. Very, very well put. 
I think that the taboo nature of psychedelics keeps distance and tension between trippers and non-trippers. At first when I started using psychs I had to break down and analyze every effect it had on me, and I kept myself constantly aware of my current mindset. Later on though with more experience, tripping just becomes an outlook - a total mindset for me - with or without psychs. A lot of the perceptions I have while I'm tripping I carry back into sober reality - and I think this is what develops the most distance for me. I don't know...psych users are really just super humans, and people are well just...cattle.
Edited by blkjkrabbit (10/21/07 12:37 AM)
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7541265 - 10/21/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree! What a post!
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7541577 - 10/21/07 04:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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one of my best true freinds is just a drinker. hell smoke pot. but not usualy or that much. he knows im a student of the soil. and he always is cool to trip with, chill with, jam with some people just have no drive to go "there"
I think this is very true as well, some people are just very content with where they are
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7541711 - 10/21/07 07:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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People who have tripped tend to realise that reality, to a large extent if not 100%, is in the eye of the beholder.
Having been taken outside of yourself and experienced yourself, even for a brief time, as a part of everything rather than an isolated monad, generally makes people more humble and understanding. That being said, plenty of people who indulge in psychedelics just aren't particularly intelligent or nice people.
Used in an intelligent way, geared towards self improvement and enlightenment, psychedelics have greatly improved the lives and attitudes of many people. However, without a frame work of self improvement or some kind of spiritual practise, psychedelics can just have no positive long term effects.
It all depends on the person and the type of experiences they've had. I tripped around a dozen times before I had what I would consider a full blown spiritual experience, and until then I never really understood what psychedelics are capable of. If I'd never had that experience, I wouldn't really have been all that changed by psychedelics.
Some people who use psychedelics turn out better, some don't, but it all depends on the person and how and why they trip. Simply consuming psychedelic drugs doesn't make you a better person. They work as a catalyst for self improvement, but the person is required to do much of the work- the drug simply shows you things, it's your own responsibility to understand these things and apply them to your life.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: EllisDSox]
#7541728 - 10/21/07 07:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I tripped around a dozen times before I had what I would consider a full blown spiritual experience, and until then I never really understood what psychedelics are capable of.
That is also so true, not only do people differ so much, but each experience can differ so much. Do you have any idea what caused your first full blown spiritual experience?
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7541742 - 10/21/07 07:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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For the most part, I'd say that those who do not wish to try psychedelics are fed misinformation about psychedelics. My friend is convinced that LSD makes your brain bleed, another is convinced that mescaline is more potent than LSD, another is convinced that a few buttons of peyote will cause you to trip for days, and yet another is convinced that LSD makes you think you can fly, not understanding that the feelings and experiences are subjective and vary from person to person.
I'm also inclined to say that it's contentment. My friends are so content with being drunk and knowing what's needed to get by in life that they have no desire to delve further; whether it be with psychedelics, music, literature, art, etc.
As for me, I'm very inquisitive, a critical thinker, continuously questioning, finding it hard to settle on an an answer, strong minded, etc.
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Re: Thoughts on Psych users vs. non psych users [Re: Boots]
#7541743 - 10/21/07 07:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Boots said: My friend is convinced that LSD makes your brain bleed
This might be an interesting opportunity to see if you can convince someone who believe in ridiculuous drug propaganda that what they believe in is bullshit. Print out loads of information on aicd, starting with the anti-drug sites. When he sees that there's no hard evidence against acid, and that, on the contrary, it's a pretty researched substance, maybe he'll stop being such a fucking dumbass. Interesting social experiment.
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