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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: Stizzle]
    #7551042 - 10/23/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you've actually taken the time to research crop circles and you still believe that they are man made.. I'm talking about the intricate weaving of the corn/wheat stalks, the change in cellular structure and the overall astounding complexity of some of the designs..

I duno. short crop circle video


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: WScott]
    #7551084 - 10/23/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: Stizzle]
    #7551229 - 10/23/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That's a cool site, but of course humans are going to try to replicate these things, whatever they may be. Thousands have appeared over the years. A group of enthusiasts aren't going to be able to 'cover that much ground' so to speak.

And in some of the crop circles they made, inaccuracies are apparent. Imperfect circles for the most part.

I wonder if they could make this one


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: WScott]
    #7551317 - 10/23/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was under the impression that the people who made that one in your post were some of the most famous crop-circle guys in England?

Rod Dickinson and John Lundberg?

Don't they have videotape of themselves making it?


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7551332 - 10/23/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

One Question...how many people who belive in the conspiracy of the WTC are actually from America? Im just wandering if all the conspiracy belivers are actually from America or if your mostly from other countries.


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: zorbman]
    #7553025 - 10/23/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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How can you guys deny the possibility of a conspiracy? If the government wanted to hide something, they'd hide it, wouldn't they?




What I love is how most of this same Troother crowd lambasted the Bush administration for their incompetence after Hurricane Katrina, their incompetence running the Iraq war and protecting our ports and borders yet these same people somehow managed to pull off this incredibly elaborate cover up involving thousands of people not one of whom has come forward!

:rofl2:






so you think the gov hired bobs electric to wire up the bombs?

i understand everyone has different opinions, i understand I'm a tinfoil hat and it pisses me off and people enjoy saying it so much...but this thread also reveals another type of person the complete opposite of tinfoil hats...I'm not sure what the popular name is for you folk.

it doesn't aggravate me so much that you don't agree with my personal opinions, its more that you lack the ability to think outside a TV box....that its impossible that we were lied to.

here's an example of this:
i said before maybe they demoed the building to save lives...but no...its impossible we were lied to.

even tho that scenario is completely impossible because the demolition was set before the planes hit.


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7553062 - 10/23/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This thread makes me laugh every time I read it. Keep it coming guys, jump through the hoop for daddy. :laugh:


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #7553434 - 10/24/07 12:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Aliens are real and Crop Circles are real, but they aren't made by Aliens,
Crop Circles are generated by humans from underground cities using microwave vortices.

The WTC attacks were not only allowed to happen, they were made to happen by the same people that control the White House.
GWB, Blair, etc. are just puppets doing their jobs. Just as with OK City, and the Space Shuttle disasters, the WTC attack was a mass ritual human sacrifice.

I know it sounds crazy, but what's even crazier is that it's true.

Big changes are headed our way, so get your kicks while you can people...


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: jccc]
    #7553655 - 10/24/07 03:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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One Question...how many people who belive in the conspiracy of the WTC are actually from America? Im just wandering if all the conspiracy believers are actually from America or if your mostly from other countries.


not "America" Israel / World bank / PNAC / and anyone who is for controling the Oil while establishing an American occupation.

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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7553658 - 10/24/07 03:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)








here's an example of this:
i said before maybe they demoed the building to save lives...but no...its impossible we were lied to.

even tho that scenario is completely impossible because the demolition was set before the planes hit.




why did Silverstein (guy who "owned the buildings" take out a several billion dollar insurance claim a week or two before 9/11.
im sorry thats too much of a coinkydink for me.
Also, when seasoned professionals (firemen/police) swear they heard/saw explosions as they were running by/ some inside as it was occuring - I have to defer to them - They are used to these kinds of disaster situations, and don't lose it as quickly as Joe Q Public - so i believe them when they say they heard/ saw explosions.
I think Loose Change is so controversial because it shows something ppl don't want to believe.
If the ends justify the means, then so be it.

F that - I want impeachment and trial at the Hague for the whole friggin cabinet + Blair for being complicit.


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7553891 - 10/24/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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why did Silverstein (guy who "owned the buildings" take out a several billion dollar insurance claim a week or two before 9/11.
im sorry thats too much of a coinkydink for me.

Also, when seasoned professionals (firemen/police) swear they heard/saw explosions as they were running by/ some inside as it was occuring - I have to defer to them - They are used to these kinds of disaster situations, and don't lose it as quickly as Joe Q Public - so i believe them when they say they heard/ saw explosions.




I post these two links for the third time now in this thread --

http://www.debunking911.com/

http://www.911myths.com/index.html

Both your points are thoroughly explained at these two sites and at dozens of others, but these two cover pretty much everything.

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I think Loose Change is so controversial because it shows something ppl don't want to believe.




Loose Change is "controversial" because pretty much every point it makes has been thoroughly debunked by several different sources, and because its creators are even more dishonest than Michael Moore. There are least two sites out there which dissect it almost frame by frame. There has probably never been another movie made anywhere at any time which so deliberately and knowingly distorts nearly everything it covers. It's not that people "don't want to believe", it's that what Loose Change presents is non-factual, and easily shown to be so.



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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: Phred]
    #7554201 - 10/24/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

But it has such a spooky soundtrack.

It MUST be true!


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7554671 - 10/24/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The government doesn't care about the lives of the average American person. We are expendable assets to them. They care about controlling the masses in order to help them accomplish goals that only benefit themselves. Hell, even soldiers of the military are expendable to them and they are the men and women that work closest with and protect the government.

I firmly believe that our government would gladly sacrifice thousands more lives if it puts them in a position to gain more global power. Especially if its the lives of average citizens that don't have anything special that our government wants.

I don't need to see any physical evidence or scientific studies to convince me of a conspiracy. I look closer at the actions of men, their demeanor, body language, speech patterns, nervous ticks and all the other little things that the average American sheep looks right past. I can see the dishonesty, manipulation, and greed all over the place. I can hear the change in their voice when they lie. They stutter and hesitate. I can see it in their eyes. They dodge the most important questions because they might be exposed by answering honestly. They continually over exaggerate the threat of terrorism, and will only act on behalf of the American people if we make them feel obligated. Look at Hurricane Katrina. If anything proves that they don't give a shit about us it is that. This WAR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROTECTING US OR THE IRAQI PEOPLE AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MONEY AND OIL.


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: postanaldrip]
    #7554891 - 10/24/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Okay.

So where is the oil?

This war has not raised our power in the globe one bit. If anything, the entire globe sees how pathetic and powerless we are. Does Iran look scared to you? Does Turkey look scared?

No.

Your whole argument falls flat right there...


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7556066 - 10/24/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay.

So where is the oil?

This war has not raised our power in the globe one bit. If anything, the entire globe sees how pathetic and powerless we are. Does Iran look scared to you? Does Turkey look scared?

No.

Your whole argument falls flat right there...






"We are the ones that should be worried" - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, saying that it isn't America and her citizens, but Iran and hers, that should be worried.

Also, I don't think it is America that is being called for being 'evil scumfucks', but the powers that be that control the mass media of the world (among other things). I was watching a video the other day about Ron Paul, despite being very high in reader polls, ratings, etc. He fails to get mentioned on mass media, time and time again. And this isn't only in the States, but in many other countries such as France and some other European country (can't find the video right now). So, parallels and similarities in the context of bias and slant can be traced across borders.


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: WScott]
    #7556160 - 10/24/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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There are psychological explanations for why conspiracy theories are so seductive. Academics who study them argue that they meet a basic human need: to have the magnitude of any given effect be balanced by the magnitude of the cause behind it. A world in which tiny causes can have huge consequences feels scary and unreliable. Therefore a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it. "We tend to associate major events--a President or princess dying--with major causes," says Patrick Leman, a lecturer in psychology at Royal Holloway University of London, who has conducted studies on conspiracy belief. "If we think big events like a President being assassinated can happen at the hands of a minor individual, that points to the unpredictability and randomness of life and unsettles us." In that sense, the idea that there is a malevolent controlling force orchestrating global events is, in a perverse way, comforting.




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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: WScott]
    #7558749 - 10/25/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay.

So where is the oil?

This war has not raised our power in the globe one bit. If anything, the entire globe sees how pathetic and powerless we are. Does Iran look scared to you? Does Turkey look scared?

No.

Your whole argument falls flat right there...




"We are the ones that should be worried" - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, saying that it isn't America and her citizens, but Iran and hers, that should be worried.

Also, I don't think it is America that is being called for being 'evil scumfucks', but the powers that be that control the mass media of the world (among other things). I was watching a video the other day about Ron Paul, despite being very high in reader polls, ratings, etc. He fails to get mentioned on mass media, time and time again. And this isn't only in the States, but in many other countries such as France and some other European country (can't find the video right now). So, parallels and similarities in the context of bias and slant can be traced across borders.




In actual news from Tehran...

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Military commander Major General Ataollah Salehi has described the domestic production of the Saeqeh as "a warning to Western countries that threaten" Iran. He added that such countries "must know that while they are trying to turn other countries against [Iran] with their limited capabilities in the region," Iran "possesses unlimited technology" with which it can oppose those threats.




http://www.payvand.com/news/07/oct/1214.html


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #7558895 - 10/25/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

All I have to say is that I think all this talk about WTC 7, demolition, and missiles, if anything, is a government conspiracy aimed to discredit any real questions that need to be asked about 9/11.

When you step back and think about it, it's pretty ridiculous. I was intrigued by the idea at first, but then I realized..."hey, wait a minute, lack of evidence is proof of NOTHING!" But all this talk completely discredits the important questions: Why didn't we go after Osama when we knew he was in pakistan? Why did we go to war w/iraq when it is now clear that there was never a serious WMD threat? Who actually paid for the 9/11 attacks? Why wouldn't Bush & Cheney go on the record at the 9/11 commission? Have you SEEN condoleeza rice's testimony to the commission? Look it up on youtube.

The commission was clearly a cover up, I mean, for christ's sake they tried to put KISSINGER in charge, the king of cover-ups.

The U.S. government didn't fly missiles into it's own towers, but it probably was complicit to the whole thing, which is almost worse, and the REAL "conspiracy."

Watch PBS's Frontline episode, "The Dark Side" or 9/11: Press for Truth (the ONLY decent and mostly-legit 9/11 film to come out.)


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7567721 - 10/27/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

where is the oil? its still in Iraq. The original intention was to secure that oil by making it seem like we are providing them the heroic deed of bringing democracy to their country, in essence creating an obligation for them to support or oil consumption needs when we are unable to provide for ourselves. The "threat of terrorism" is nothing more than a cover that hides the truth. You have to be blind not to see it.

As a nation, no, we have not gained any global power, even though its what our government wanted. However, I'm sure that Bush, Cheney and many other government officials have profited grossly from this war. And we all know that in this world, money equals power.

It doesn't matter if Iran or Turkey is scared of us because we live in a country full of extremely loyal citizens that will fight and die to protect their freedoms, and our government knows this. The lives of the people in power, calling the shots, and sitting back with their feet up are not in jeopardy. They don't care if thousands die, as long as their mansions and bank accounts are secure.

This conspiracy goes way deeper than any of us will ever know. Its my belief and I will not be convinced otherwise. So your argument just fell flat on its face.


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Re: Why can't all of the 9/11 conspiracies.... [Re: WScott]
    #7567725 - 10/27/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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