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Spores 101...
    #7538034 - 10/20/07 01:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Please remove my photo:



From your website.

You don't have my permission to use it, but that's not the real
issue here. The real issue is that you list it as Mexican Albino.

That's a lie.

This is a picture of PF Albino, I should know, it's my picture.
So take it down please and put up a real picture of Mexican Albino.
One of your own would be preferable, it's the right thing to do.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: monstermitch]
    #7538041 - 10/20/07 01:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol dam 101 just got owned. Don't think ill be ordering from their anytime soon.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7538351 - 10/20/07 06:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7538442 - 10/20/07 07:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i don't understand why a vendor would steel pictures right after going through this big ordeal with using using pictures with out permission/steeling images.

also i don't think it is a very good idea for a vendor to mislabel a pic to fit what strain they need the pic for.

what else is mislabeled to suit there needs??


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: royer]
    #7538479 - 10/20/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

thats exactly why i said i would never order from them now, their credability is shot, who knows if the prints are labeled right.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: monstermitch]
    #7538543 - 10/20/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Did you pm them or email them this time, or just make another big public spectacle, monstermitch? You really have it out for them. Strange for a former business partner. But go ahead and continue your crusade against Spores101. Those of us who've read your other threads (and your contributions to other threads) know that this is more political and personal than anything else. What was your original beef with them, anyway? Your *real* problem with them?

I don't want newbies reading your new post without reading this thread as well, for fairness' sake:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7468300/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

Edit: Read the *WHOLE THREAD* please. Or you could just scroll down to the part where MM starts complaining/threadjacking.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: BrandNoob]
    #7538583 - 10/20/07 08:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have no idea what you and my partner in Canada agreed on when we were in business together but you most certainly gave us many many images to use so I will let him respond to this.

It is painfully obvious that Mitch has a huge grudge on 101 and is flaming us in the forums to somehow affect our business.:shitstorm:


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: Spores_101]
    #7538595 - 10/20/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:ban:mitch


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7538744 - 10/20/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ban Monstermitch? Where did that come from? I understand this whole Mushbox/Spores 101 has gotten a little out of hand, but to be completely honest I think there is a legitimate complaint here. Now I have no idea what was agreed to with MM and the Shroomtalk forum, so maybe this is all for nothing.

The biggest issue I see here, and I can't believe no one else sees it, is the mislabeling/misleading photos of cubensis strains. How would you like it if you purchased your favorite strain, EQ, only to find out your fruited B+? I personally would be extremely upset, especially for those of us who like to isolate strains. Imagine all that work down the drain because they either mislabeled the strain or mislead a noob into thinking the strain they purchased had the genetic potential of the showcased photo.

This goes way beyond looking at photos for identification. I personally don't need to view a photo to decide what strain I'm going to cultivate, but a lot of members do. If the photos are mislabeled and cannot be properly identified by the company's own staff, I think this speaks to the knowledge, or lack there of in this case, of the folks we're dealing with who catalog and conduct inventory at this company. I think you can clearly see the implications of this action. :rolleyes: 

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I don't want newbies reading your new post without reading this thread as well, for fairness' sake:




Trust me when I tell you, there is plenty of newbies flooding the boards with good comments about this sponsor. I think this is the issue at hand. Spores 101 has an enormous influx of new members making great comments about the service and quality. Doesn't anyone ever wonder how and why?

I do see a lot of things transpiring here on the Sponsors forum that appear suspect though. I'm not sure what will become of all this, not this thread in particular, as there is a lot more going on than this incident, but time will tell folks.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7538749 - 10/20/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

and the saga continues, lol.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: Wronguy]
    #7538754 - 10/20/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ROFLMAO


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: Wronguy]
    #7538825 - 10/20/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ban Monstermitch? Where did that come from? I understand this whole Mushbox/Spores 101 has gotten a little out of hand, but to be completely honest I think there is a legitimate complaint here.




A legitimate complaint sure, but is this the correct place to hash it out? It seems like Emails or PMs would have been preferable to MonsterMitch's continued flaming of a Shroomery sponsor, which is surely against the rules of this particular forum. I don't think MonsterMitch should be banned, I just think he should think before he types.


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The biggest issue I see here, and I can't believe no one else sees it, is the mislabeling/misleading photos of cubensis strains.




That's certainly a bigger issue, but one that could have been taken care of in private. It is clear that MonsterMitch is less concerned with copyright infringement and mislabeling than he is stirring up shit and making Spores101 lose business due to lack of confidence. If his issue was a mislabeled photo, he should have come to the sponsor with the issue, not make a public display like he enjoys doing.

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If the photos are mislabeled and cannot be properly identified by the company's own staff, I think this speaks to the knowledge, or lack there of in this case, of the folks we're dealing with who catalog and conduct inventory at this company.




Hmmm... Can you identify that particular mushroom by its picture? You don't see anything but the gills and stipe. Not even the cap. PF Albino and Mexican Albino are easily confused. Are you sure this photo mislabeling is such a big deal? I don't think it is.

Edit: The image's filename just says Albino - not PF Albino or Mexican Albino. This is surely the source of the misuse. If it was MM's photo, maybe he should have labeled it better? Anyway, I don't think the computer with the photos is how they identify or catalog their prints. Those are probably labeled by the people who provide them to the company. Has there been any reported cases of people receiving a mislabeled strain from this sponsor? I haven't seen any.

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Trust me when I tell you, there is plenty of newbies flooding the boards with good comments about this sponsor.




I didn't put that link up to show how much newbies love Spores101. I put it up there so you could read the *whole thread* and see how much MM loves to talk shit about Spores101 in the sponsors forum. And to provide a little bit of the background history between him and the company.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: rye]
    #7539194 - 10/20/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Mitch you gave us permission to use the photo before, so If you don't' want us to use it now then all you had to do is ask us, but you cleary want to share this with everyone.

I will have it removed this weekend.

And if the image is not labeled correctly its an honest mistake. Its still an ALBINO CUBENSIS RIGHT????

We are here in the open as usual, not hiding or running away. If you have a problem then you can PM us or email anytime. If you want to publicly display your issues you have the right to do that also, either way we will continue to do our best to correct any mistakes and amend any situations.

And to makaveli8x8, lol nobody has been "owned" , its just Mitch trying to badmouth us at every opportunity he has, he just really likes to hold on to this grudge, even though its been resolved completely, I am sure he is up all night long trying to find ways to undermine our business.

Wronguy you seem to be insinuating that more is going on, well then I guess you know more than me, If you have something to share I would appreciate it as we are a paying sponsor here and should have the right to defend our company if necessary.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: BrandNoob]
    #7539210 - 10/20/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This forum is exactly for this purpose.
And you're not a moderator here, this your business, so back off.

I could show many more errors in their site.
Like how they mislabel strains (can't even get the name right),
or how they stole text from other sponsor's websites,
or how they show pictures of the wrong mushroom (not just in
the case of the albino).

This is my picture. They don't have permission to use it.
It is not on google. And it is a PF Albino.

How do I know? It's my picture. Want to see my other pictures?


the one they stole.

the same mushroom's cap.

and the side shot.

Who cares how I label pictures in my own gallery or on my computer?
What in the hell does that have to do with anything?
How does that make it okay for them to steal it and mislabel it?

I'm in no way out of line here.
This company has done a great disservice to their customers,
and I'm letting those customers know. They have the right to
know.

So did they bribe you too to make good comments?

They say that bad press always turns into good press.
Well, I'd like to see them turn this into good press.
I'd love to hear their explanation.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: royer]
    #7539218 - 10/20/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You misunderstand the situation, nobody STOLE anything.

Mitch did give us permission to use the photo and just recently in this post changed his mind, and we have no removed it.

So please don't post something if you have no idea what your talking about. Our strains come from MANY suppliers, INCLUDING RALPH! so if your going to start making suggestions and claims I would appreciate it if you would back it up with some evidence.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: Shroomtalk]
    #7539249 - 10/20/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Mitch nobody is perfect.. There is alot of disinformation out there about this hobby so If we made a mistake on information or images we will correct it.

We already had an issue with text and images before with sporeworks and that situation was also fully explained and fixed, if you do your research you can see all that on shroomery also.

Cleary you have a grudge againts spores101.com and will do anything to make us look bad, despite if its a valid reason or not. I have said it before and I will say it again, if we made a mistake we will fix it. I assure you we are not blatently trying to steal images or copy text, 90% of the images on spores101.com are our OWN photography or submitted by members of shroomery and shroomtalk forums.

If anyone has a problem with our website you know how to reach us.

I will be writing an article about this entire situation with Monstermitch in Issue #5, be sure to check that out! it should be an interesting read.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: Shroomtalk]
    #7539255 - 10/20/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for removing the photo.
and sure... Mexican albino, PF albino.. who cares right??
they both have albino in the name. close enough right??
the customers won't mind, I'm sure.

since when did I give you permission to use that photo?
is that the same permission Fungi Perfecti gave you?
is that the same permission Sporeworks gave you?

who's text is that under the King Straphoria?
Because I could swear that's "stolen" too without permission.
and who's text is that for the Warm Weather Button?
same deal.

didn't even get the name right by the way on the button.
if you're going to copy and paste from other sponsor's sites,
at least get the species correct.
actually that picture even seems to be of a different species...
looks like Agaricus subrufescens to me...


and who cares if it is me posting this or not.
the issue is what it is. wrong species, wrong photos, lifted
pictures and text. All very shady business practices.


so again, thanks for removing that photo.
no more customers of yours will be mislead by it now.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: Shroomtalk]
    #7539271 - 10/20/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Trust me when I tell you, there is plenty of newbies flooding the boards with good comments about this sponsor. I think this is the issue at hand. Spores 101 has an enormous influx of new members making great comments about the service and quality. Doesn't anyone ever wonder how and why?


from wronguy

Wronguy your making it sound like your unhappy about new members flooding shroomery? I am sure you guys have a way to ensure they are valid members and not just one person making multiple accounts, we tell our customers to make testimonials here if they are happy, what is wrong with that?

If Shroomery gets influx of new members due to spores101 isn't that a good thing? even if they are newbs they are still people interested in this hobby and if they want to make a testimonial about us why should that cause concern?


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: monstermitch]
    #7539273 - 10/20/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

finally...spores101  rocks.

They are a great sponsor:grin:


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: Shroomtalk]
    #7539292 - 10/20/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well now its just your word against mine... Sorry I don't have the emails here but Mitch I thought you let us use the image. We did have a working agreement at one time so if we used this image without your permission it was not intentional.

Also mitch just because we had the incorrect photo DOES NOT mean we were sending out incorrect spores. That point was already made in this post I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to make us look worse than we actually are. I am confident the people we get our strains from have them accurately labeled. So if you can please understand that just because the image was not correct, does not mean the strain is incorrect.

regarding the other stuff your talking about, as far as I understand we put every effort in to work with sporeworks and fix the text / images we had...and like I posted before that entire situation is here for you to read so you can understand the history behind that. It is not a case of blatant abuse so please stop pointing fingers when its not necessary, if there is anything else left to fix we are ready and willing to immediately make those changes.

Your the only one making a stink about this and I can't take your word as the truth, if we are wrongfully using any content I am eagerly awaiting the owner of said content to contact us and we will immediately remove it and offer them compensation.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: Shroomtalk]
    #7539364 - 10/20/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you don't have the e-mail because it doesn't exist.
I wholesaled a product to your company.
That in no way gives you permission to take my photos.
Just that you did it speaks to your character.

your "best effort" with Sporeworks obviously fell short.
you obviously didn't try too hard.
the "simple mistake" excuse got old a long time ago.
for there is still (lifted/stolen/copied) text from their site on yours.
you were asked by them repeatedly to remove it and never did.
it's still there.

If Workman wishes to post yet again, and tell you yet again to
remove it, I'm sure he will. But I bet he's a bit sick of it by now.
I don't blame him. All you have to do is look at their site and
their pictures.
It's obviously their words, and that's obviously his parsley patch
spoken about, not yours.

why do people need to chase you down anyway?
why can't you be a stand-up company like the rest here and
come up with your own photo's and descriptions?
it's your responsibility, not ours.
again, it speaks to your character.

have fun writing your lies in your magazine.
that's the issue where you'll be showing pictures of yourself right?


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: monstermitch]
    #7539412 - 10/20/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Mitch you did more than just wholesale a product to us, you were a respected and valued moderator on Shroomtalk my forums. And you let me use MANY things when you were in this position on Shroomtalk and I am sure this image was included otherwise I wouldn't use it. If I had the proof I would show it. Its not like we purposely snunk into your computer and STOLE your precious images lol. When you signed up at shroomtalk you agreed to the disclaimer stating that any content posted on Shroomtalk is now usable by Shroomtalk. ( spores101.com is not shroomtalk thus me removing your images) the point i am trying to make is we did not STEAL anything... At some time during your membership at my forum I am sure you would not have cared one bit spores101.com used your image, only since our recent fallout you have been trying to make us look bad and this was a perfect opportunity for you to twist reality into your perspective. Just like the issue that caused us to FIRE You from being a wholesaler for mushbox.com

You have just today made it clear that the use of this image is making you angry so I removed it...

Regarding the magazine, I would appreciate it if you would wait until its published and you can read it before you start calling it lies. I saved all our emails and PM's so I will be publishing EVERYTHING.

Everything else your whining about has nothing to do with you and is none of your business, I made it clear we will fix anything we have that is incorrect, but when its coming from you its not considered a valid source as you clearly have your own personal issues with us.

To remove something thats invalid we need confirmation from the owner to verify, I don't understand why thats so hard to understand.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: monstermitch]
    #7539413 - 10/20/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i would say that it is about time to lock this thread. It is getting out of hand, and no new points are being made. I am sure that spores101 customers will continue their support, and the people that don't like the business will not support spores101. To each his/her own.

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Re: Spores 101... [Re: drSE]
    #7539431 - 10/20/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

sounds reasonable to me.
I too vote to go ahead and lock it.
my point has been made, I'm already over it.

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Re: Spores 101... [Re: monstermitch]
    #7539475 - 10/20/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Given its wrong to be stealing photo's and whatnot but, if it was your strain that you were selling to them wouldn't it make a whole lot of sense to show the customers a picture of the actual mushroom strain they are going to be studying.

Spores101.com Is a great vendor, I mean I could care less where the pics are coming from, although yeah thats shitty they took your pic. And they are right, its really not cool to be doing this publicly, it could be construed as slander, as you have no proof of your claims. You can say they don't either but it goes both ways.


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: monstermitch]
    #7539478 - 10/20/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

agreed..

All we can do is try and fix the issues at hand and strive to avoid this kind of situation in the future.

The only way to do that is to spend the time to create our own content and that is what we are doing, hence the new website and images... "almost" ALL Of the content on the new site is ours so I sincerly apologize for any discrepencies or issues with text and images that are not ours, we did not intent to offend anyone.

I also really doubt this will be the last time we see posts from Mitch trying to badmouth spores101 and mushbox, it is really to bad that he is allowed to continue this slanderous activity here without first making an attempt to contact us privately, We spend THOUSANDS of dollars to be a vendor here and the moderators ( in my opinion ) should stop this sort of behavior especially when there is no hard evidence to back his claims. If it was a newb member or maybe someone who was not friends with the moderators I am absolutley positive this slander would not be permitted.

If we were not sincere about this I wouldn't be posting here to defend our reputation, don't you think we would be long gone by now if we were actually out to scam anyone?


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Re: Spores 101... [Re: Shroomtalk]
    #7539503 - 10/20/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Spores 101... [Re: monstermitch]
    #7539648 - 10/20/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
I think enough has been said here. I for one do not want to spend any more time than is needed arguing over an issue that doesn't appear to have a resolution in sight. This thread is now closed.


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