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General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT?
    #7537045 - 10/19/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was just curious if you kind folks out there could do some short compare/contrasting of these 4 main hallucinogens.

I've only tried mushrooms, and i'm definately going to try the other 3 out at some time but i havent really been able to find any comparisons between these chemicals.

Relating the other 3 to mushrooms would make it easier for me but any comparisons would be fine.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7537208 - 10/19/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Mush, LSD and Mesc are relatively similar. Well, in the way that an apple is similar to an orange. I wouldn't be able to describe it very well though.

DMT is altogether a new experience.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7537384 - 10/19/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i have to disagree cactus is its own apartness and dmt is close to mushrooms and lsd. cause cactus has the phen feeling and such.
personally i just like to mix em all togther


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    #7537570 - 10/19/07 10:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7537669 - 10/19/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

... i have taken alot if anything 5-meo is the one that stands on its own DMT is very similar to mushrooms and once again cacuts is just on a differnt plane


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: thedudenj]
    #7537724 - 10/19/07 11:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I've never done 5-MeO, but I don't find N,N-DMT to be anything like any mushroom trip I've ever had.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7537813 - 10/20/07 12:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

im very curious to try mescaline
sounds wiggly from what i hear :smile:


when i first tryed dmt it left this enchantingly fresh feeling floating around me for days. i knew this drug and me where gonna get alone probly almost too well.

mushrooms do have dmt like qualities but you do have to sort of "will" it to go tere. kinda like terance mckenna sayed about coxing out the elves during a mushroom trip. on a good dose of mushrooms and a good set and state of mind i can go anywhere, see anythign, be anyone. all while staring at a fire thats true tripping


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: notapillow]
    #7537825 - 10/20/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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notapillow said:
im very curious to try mescaline
sounds wiggly from what i hear :smile:



Wiggly? :grin:


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7537838 - 10/20/07 12:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

dammit cactus fck mescaline i rather have a cactus with mescaline extracted and with just all the other drugs then jus mescaline get that picture in your mind.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7537842 - 10/20/07 12:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

like all warm and wafty and warpy and billowy. i dunno i hear its not very fractal based at all. just like strange shapes and visions and warm goodness
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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: notapillow]
    #7537850 - 10/20/07 12:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

sigh, first off whats not fractal based. cactus can have many many fractals every where depends on the trip. but it deffinatly takes on its own nature as where the others have a similar nature cactus goes a bit differnt. no just the feeling but the cev and ect. any who just mix em all in the right proportions and its great


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: notapillow]
    #7537856 - 10/20/07 12:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i gotta say tho. trytapines hold a special place in my spriritual being. the fact that "It", when injested, so perfectly fits in "here" that it does and does "that"

if you catch my meaning. dmt espesualy. its so amazingly natural feeling. your brain is almost telling you you have done this coutless times before and where are ment to do it again and again. propagating the tryptamine web one death at a time


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: thedudenj]
    #7537871 - 10/20/07 12:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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sigh, first off whats not fractal based. cactus can have many many fractals every where depends on the trip. but it deffinatly takes on its own nature as where the others have a similar nature cactus goes a bit differnt. no just the feeling but the cev and ect. any who just mix em all in the right proportions and its great



i ment the oec, and cev
lef fractal generation and more flowing feelling tendraly organic shapes.
this again is jsut what i have gathered from reading reports and listening to freinds.

when im on acid, mushrooms, or dmt. things are very fractal based. sometimes to the point of hystarics. then again brian chemistry is a big part of it too. im a visual tripper. cant help it i just pour my energy out through my eyes


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: notapillow]
    #7537880 - 10/20/07 12:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

btw cactus can lead to OBEs not really talked about i have shared it with many as well as teas, and combos of lsd,mushrooms cactus,

or cactus mushrooms caapi, virdis,chaliponga,rue,virola. yeah i did alot of research with many people and there will be many many more


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: thedudenj]
    #7537883 - 10/20/07 12:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Im partial to Mescaline because MDMA is its cousin. It's got that phenethlyamine warmness like notapillow said with a psychedelic twist.  Wiggly indeed :grin:


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7537888 - 10/20/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7537891 - 10/20/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it can be gooy too.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7537898 - 10/20/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Adagio said:
It's got that phenethlyamine warmness like notapillow said with a psychedelic twist.



Or you could look at it vice-versa, psychedelic w/ a phen twist. Damn, I want a pepsi lime now.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7537911 - 10/20/07 12:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you had to make a choice between LSD and mescaline, which would you choose?


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7537918 - 10/20/07 12:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ha ha i would take em both ! as i have and then have some mushroom cocolates. otherwise each to there own one then the other at a later time. the thing is its too late i had both and will always have that with me.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7537927 - 10/20/07 12:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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If you had to make a choice between LSD and mescaline, which would you choose?



id take 5 grams of mushrooms
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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: thedudenj]
    #7537930 - 10/20/07 12:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I choose mescaline. It leaves me at peace in my post-trip time. LSD fries me and I feel like a bomb was dropped onto my head after the effects wear down, so I sleep sleep sleep. I like them both,though.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7537961 - 10/20/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

no love for the mush. the shroom afterglow is somthing i revel in. almost as muc as the trip itself.

i have gotten pretty fucking layed over from lsd. just cus its draining more out of you, also i feel drivin to exert myself on lsd.

dmt litteraly turns me into a tuning fork and i am unable to move my body because it is numb with rainbowtronic static and i am lost in a tone far from home


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: thedudenj]
    #7538023 - 10/20/07 01:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

^its obsenely obvious that you are so spun right now


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: notapillow]
    #7538026 - 10/20/07 01:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

now that just sounds like fake lsd, my lsd i just came down no bad effects what so ever tho i was still hoped up on the vibes all week and was very moved by it


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: thedudenj]
    #7538038 - 10/20/07 01:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

fake acid. brother. let me tell ya. iv had more then my fare share of fake acid. probly more then my fare share of really great acid too. but even the best acid i have ever had has left me craped and stiff andd some times achey the next day. its not cus its fake, cut, or dirtty. its cus when im on lsd i go ape shit crazy and i need a physicla outlet. be it trees, a skatepark or a bike. i just gotta go. by the end of the day my muscles are usualy so soar i cant feel them :toomuchacid: i cant wait for halloween


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: notapillow]
    #7538418 - 10/20/07 07:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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mushrooms do have dmt like qualities but you do have to sort of "will" it to go tere. kinda like terance mckenna sayed about coxing out the elves during a mushroom trip.



doesn't Terrance McKenna say in one of his books that the effects of mushrooms are identical to DMT on x amount of shroom. I can't remember what amount X was and a quick search didn't help but it must be a pretty massive dose.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: roquet]
    #7538838 - 10/20/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

a nice ayahuasca brew can be stronger then smoked dmt. when you make it right you can go into "elf space" and stay there for an hour


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: roquet]
    #7539248 - 10/20/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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but it must be a pretty massive dose.



It would have to be an insane amount.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7547206 - 10/22/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The body and mind state of mescaline can best be described as a cross between MDMA and shrooms without the amphetamine rush. The visuals however, can't be compared to any organic hallucinogen I've so far come across. I feel like LSD has very edgy visuals meaning objects don't really seem to melt together like they do on shrooms and a lot of the visuals are based off of geometric patterns/shapes. Unlike LSD and shrooms, mescaline visuals don't really seem to fractal based and walls don't really breath, they sort of drip and swirl instead. Mescaline makes everything look like a dynamic painting where everything is fluid and in motion. Colors are intensified but in an entirely pleasant way. Just looking at a colorful object on mescaline can bring the viewer intense happiness and joy.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: pantsboy]
    #7547220 - 10/22/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The body and mind state of mescaline can best be described as a cross between MDMA and shrooms without the amphetamine rush.



There you go, that's a good one :thumbup:


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7547396 - 10/22/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

damn't, now i wish i had some. everytime i get it, i feel like it's the last time i'll see it. i know i could always extract it, but i would be in heaven if i could find it in synthesized form again. synthesized mescaline totally pwns the ass of even the most purely extracted organic mesc.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: pantsboy]
    #7547432 - 10/22/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Synthetic Mescaline is very hard to come unless you know or are a chemist, you were very lucky to get some. :thumbup:


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7547500 - 10/22/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've always likened them with this analogy.

Psychedelics are like the space around us with which we live in.  Mescaline is like the ground we walk on; mushrooms, the nature we see and use; LSD being the space above, around, and beyond.

If that makes sense to anybody, I've done my job :laugh:


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: mentalIMAGE]
    #7547507 - 10/22/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What are you talking about :lol:


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7547662 - 10/22/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

walls can breath on it and things can be come fractal based. cactus can take you to space tho


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: thedudenj]
    #7548741 - 10/22/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

they are all the same with varying toxicity
the doses people take are not normalized
you need to take
just a bit
quite a bit
and too much of each to begin to compare them.
just a bit and quite a bit for all of them is the same.
for me anyway.
too much is way too much for cactus and mushroom because my stomach aches and that aint good.
so acid gets extra points there.
most people take way waaay too much.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7548859 - 10/22/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

like i said why not take all at once :drwario: in just the right doses to make the most fantabulous thing


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7548861 - 10/22/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think different substances can have quite different effects with different people. Ann Shulgin talks about this in an interview in the new MAPS Bulletin:

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v17n2-html/annshulgin.html


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Freedom]
    #7548881 - 10/22/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

blah blah ann shulgin, leary,mckenna. my deal with mckenna as he said all of what he said cept Time wave zero you can get from lots of books. and time wave zero he claims to the gnomes or something of that such. i am dmt,ect gnome i live on that plane and steped down from it to come here.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: notapillow]
    #7548910 - 10/22/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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fake acid. brother. let me tell ya. iv had more then my fare share of fake acid. probly more then my fare share of really great acid too. but even the best acid i have ever had has left me craped and stiff andd some times achey the next day. its not cus its fake, cut, or dirtty. its cus when im on lsd i go ape shit crazy and i need a physicla outlet. be it trees, a skatepark or a bike. i just gotta go. by the end of the day my muscles are usualy so soar i cant feel them :toomuchacid: i cant wait for halloween




im the same way, although i couldent imagine skateboarding on lsd, however longboardng is fun.


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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: habitat0789]
    #7548949 - 10/22/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

LSD makes my muscles spasm intensely and makes me very anxious nowadays. I am no longer able to take it without also taking a few benzos to cancel out the negative side effects I usually get from it. The combo of the two is phenomenal though.


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"Mushrooms are only similar to penises in their appearance." - LeBron James (2013)

ToiletDuk said:
"Bus squelching is not to be laughed at."


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InvisibleRobo
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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: thedudenj]
    #7549001 - 10/22/07 09:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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thedudenj said:
i am dmt,ect gnome i live on that plane and steped down from it to come here.



McKenna was quite a character wasn't he? Some of his theories are little out there but I just love listening to his speeches.


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Invisiblethedudenj
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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7549059 - 10/22/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah he was a great speaker. btw driving down hill on a windy, winedy moutain on LSD in fog is great i wish i had a camera.


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours


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InvisibleRobo
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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: thedudenj]
    #7549065 - 10/22/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ironic that he died from a brain tumor...


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Invisiblethedudenj
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Re: General trip comparison for Mush,LSD,Mesc,DMT? [Re: Robo]
    #7549267 - 10/22/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, well he was suppose to die that way. for the future! he couldnt go on not after all he said he kinda ticked off a dmt gnome


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours


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