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OfflineVisionsToReality
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What to do when you have no "working space?"
    #7536166 - 10/19/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So..Kitchen, bathroom, - out. Too dirty..

Other rooms = large and carpeted.

Leaving fruiting to be done...where?
Leaving work to be done...where?

Only thoughts that come up are:

Store fruiting tubs (monotubs) in a dresser (gutted)
And use a collapsible greenhouse as a "work zone" for fresh air exchange, and other work.

Remember, the work zone must be easily disassembled, and the fruiting chambers need a home, safe from direct proximity of rugs.

Any better ideas?


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7536297 - 10/19/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Clean the kitchen maybe? It's not that much work. Then you just use a glovebox, it'll save you a great deal of trouble.

As for fruiting, carpeted room is fine, as long as it's off the ground and you fan them.


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7536298 - 10/19/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hasn't been a problem for me, just fumigate your work space with lysol and make sure to let it settle before you begin.


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: BUDDHA_702]
    #7536316 - 10/19/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Fumigating a 15x12 room is so not gonna happen. And the larger the room, the bigger chance of contams, the more air movement, etc.

Kitchen is a haven of mold and bacteria, and not enough counterspace or anything like that.

It really seems like a dresser and a greenhouse is the way to go. Greenhouse = small and enclosed and easily fumigated.


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7536332 - 10/19/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well, CLEAN YOUR KITCHEN. Do a good job, and actually clean it. Wipe the walls, ceiling, cupboards, everything with a diluted bleach solution. Do the dishes, sweep/mop the floor, and take out the trash.


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7536339 - 10/19/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Build a glove box. Just get a cardboard box, make holes for your arm and make a window with seran wrap. It's shitty, but for me it made a difference of 9/10 contams to 0/10 contams.


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7536360 - 10/19/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

sterility is only key at certain points.
most of my house is carpeted.
I'm quite clean, but I'm sure my bathroom and kitchen are as
"dirty" as the average ones.
I work wherever there is room, and I don't worry about it.

be quick, be clean, be precise.

let massive FAE and proper pH take care of mold worries for you.
If you practice these two correctly, it should never be a problem really.
it isn't for me anyway.
I haven't had contaminations that were unexpected in a very long
time. I expect every one that comes along, and they only happen
to substrates that are way too old.

You, the hobbiest are the number one concern when it comes
to contamination. Your house is a distant second.


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: monstermitch]
    #7536414 - 10/19/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wiping down a 12x12x8 room seems so ridiculous....


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7536435 - 10/19/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so does batman when he ran through a city with a bomb, but...hmmm...i forgot what the importance of that was:)

But anyway, it may be rediculous, but its worth it.


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7536453 - 10/19/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I notice FAE can be done for monotubs leaving them wide open. Sterility isn't a big deal apparently.

What about humidity? You then need the tub in an enclosed and humidified space, correct?


Edited by VisionsToReality (10/19/07 05:34 PM)


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7536559 - 10/19/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what do i do when i run out of space???

tidy!!!!!!! and throw stuff out i dont need (yes that includes stuff you never ever use, or has no conceivable use, but u keep anyway, throw it out!!!)))#


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7536600 - 10/19/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

monotubs and substrate bags are excluded from FAE.
kind of.
all they need is a fan in the room on low keeping things
circulating.

when fruiting in fruiting chambers (pmp's, greenhouses, etc.)
FAE is critical.

Monotubs should stay closed, so should substrate bags.
Otherwise they need lots of FAE.


And when you run out of space it's time to think vertical.


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: monstermitch]
    #7536648 - 10/19/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wow. So with monotubs you don't even have to worry about humidity (long as substrate is well moistened) or fanning (as long as they're not in an enclosed space)?

RR said somewhere I thought that monotubs don't even need polyfil, they can just be open


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Don't you complicate your mind.

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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7536749 - 10/19/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

they cannot be open.

they'd loose too much humidity.
when enclosed, the substrate provides plenty of humidity.
the polyfil traps that humidity, but allows air to enter and
exit through the holes. the design and spacing of the holes
cause the air inside to swirl and exchange itself, as long as
there's some air circulation inside of the room.

they're self contained automated systems.
they do not need casing layers, they just need to be
properly hydrated.

substrate bags are like miniature monotubs.


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: monstermitch]
    #7536820 - 10/19/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Can you help me understand the design of where the holes need to go?


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Life is one big road with lots of signs,
So when you're ridin' through the ruts,
Don't you complicate your mind.

Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
Don't bury your thoughts,
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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7536857 - 10/19/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5930161/an/0/page/0
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7490393/an/0/page/0

8 holes seems to work best for me.
4 each on the two largest sides.
two down near the substrate level, just above it,
two up near the top. as shown in the links.


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: monstermitch]
    #7536863 - 10/19/07 07:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks. Still not too comfortable with the idea of large rooms being the place of spawn inoculation to the substrate though.


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Life is one big road with lots of signs,
So when you're ridin' through the ruts,
Don't you complicate your mind.

Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
Don't bury your thoughts,
Put your vision to reality, yeah!


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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7536873 - 10/19/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

with properly pasteurized bulk substrate and contaminate free
spawn, you can mix them without much worry in a large room.

try to keep the air still. spray some oust and let it settle.
make sure you are clean. wear gloves and a mask.
get everything ready ahead of time. everything in it's place.
then work quick and concise. be clean, not sloppy, get it over
with correctly and quickly.

you shouldn't have a problem.



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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: monstermitch]
    #7536883 - 10/19/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Tyvek suits are fun to wear, and they seem like they'd be beneficial as well.


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Life is one big road with lots of signs,
So when you're ridin' through the ruts,
Don't you complicate your mind.

Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
Don't bury your thoughts,
Put your vision to reality, yeah!


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Invisiblemonstermitch
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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7536896 - 10/19/07 07:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, they couldn't hurt.

showering well and working naked works well too I hear.

:ass:

to each his own.



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Re: What to do when you have no "working space?" [Re: monstermitch]
    #7536901 - 10/19/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Working naked would seem bad, I thought exposed skin was a definite no no at all costs?


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Life is one big road with lots of signs,
So when you're ridin' through the ruts,
Don't you complicate your mind.

Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
Don't bury your thoughts,
Put your vision to reality, yeah!


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