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The elevated land!
    #7536119 - 10/19/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

An allegory:

Say the entire world, was in two planes.
The lower, and the higher…

All people started to live, on the lower. But, all people want to live in the higher.

Now, there is an aerial tramway, which goes from the lower-, to the higher- plane.
(Vice versa.)

The rules are: One can only stay at the higher plane for 10 minutes, when taking the “tramy”… Then one has to return. And one cannot go back up, before it has taken 10 more trips. Then one can take it again, and get to the top for 10 minutes…

(New people, would always be prioritised though, so if there are people who has never been at the higher plane and seen the sights and all, they go before you, even if you waited 10 times…)

Some might actually stand by the “tramy”, and wait for turn..
Some might do other things, on the lower plane, while waiting…
Either way, the clue is that all would like to be at the higher plane!

But, one can actually stay there for all of life; If/When one climbs up….

The goal of all humanity would be to be on the higher plane. (In this allegory.)

Some climb… It is straight up!

So, one climb some, put in 'a nail' to secure… Then climb more, etcetera…

Point being, most people would just use the “tramy” even with the limitation, no?

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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Gomp]
    #7536133 - 10/19/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The elevated land! [Re: fireworks_god]
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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Gomp]
    #7536155 - 10/19/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yet to be fine tuned. I had this in "my" mind for all to long though...

Anyways: One thing to add: When one take the 'tramy', one might spot an easier rout to climb to the higher plane, later on.. :wink:


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Gomp]
    #7536204 - 10/19/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It describes my path, as well as the role of psychadelics within that, very well. :smile:


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7536593 - 10/19/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think it really depends on the person-

But to get to the elevated plane you speak of with psychedelics, you not only need to use the psychedelics, but also have other certain predispositions, such as intent, spirituality, set and setting and perhaps some other random chance type things. Just to get up there.

Some people seem to be purely recreational, others may have a purely therapeutic experience, others may just get scared.

Assuming one gets to the higher plane, again different things can happen with different people. Some may not realize it's possible to be there all the time. Some may only want to glimpse it once in a while to "align their spiritual compass", some may be motivated to find a way to be there all the time.

It varies so much that anything is possible :wink:


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Freedom]
    #7536617 - 10/19/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That was a little far out for me.

Next time use an allegory with animals and colors. Easier to digest.


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Freedom]
    #7536628 - 10/19/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Freedom said:
But to get to the elevated plane you speak of with psychedelics, you not only need to use the psychedelics, but also have other certain predispositions, such as intent, spirituality, set and setting and perhaps some other random chance type things. Just to get up there.




Well, referring to myself personally, I spoke of the role with my path. I agree that what you refer to here is very necessary for a profound, transformative experience, in regards to the nature of reality, but regarding the "elevated plane", I do have some dissent, which I'll address by quoting your next statement. :wink:

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Some people seem to be purely recreational, others may have a purely therapeutic experience, others may just get scared.




Even if, for some people, a psychadelic experience is purely recreational, I would still think that the experience would fit Gomp's analogy of the higher plane. :yesnod: The experience would still be very novel, heightened senses, an enhancement of their ordinary life - a glimpse of a higher state of living, even if their life isn't within the same context as the one you describe, regarding spiritual and seeking intent.

The experience would still be beneficial and growing, I think. :smile:


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7536642 - 10/19/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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oliveplume said:
That was a little far out for me.

Next time use an allegory with animals and colors. Easier to digest.




If you had ever been to Bergen, Norway, you would very well understand why Gomp chose the analogy of the tram. :thumbup:







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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Freedom]
    #7536645 - 10/19/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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But to get to the elevated plane you speak of with psychedelics, you not only need to use the psychedelics, but also have other certain predispositions, such as intent, spirituality, set and setting and perhaps some other random chance type things. Just to get up there.





And how do you determine which of these are more valid?
I think that each of these proposes as well as many many others can have the ability to get one in an elevated place. I generally agree that intent matters a lot, but since you yourself said anything is possible, I think that every kind of outcome can be something highly beneficial, so let's not stick to preconceived ideas. :mushroom2:


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7536680 - 10/19/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I might take you up on that! :wink:

I thank you for the inspiration!

Thanks! :laugh:


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Freedom]
    #7536731 - 10/19/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

In this allegory psychedelics could be the "tramy", but please be so kind, not to limit it at that...


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7536738 - 10/19/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That is yet another lie f_g..

When will you ever stop trying to speak for me, as if you knew me?

Time to grow past that, eh?


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Gomp]
    #7536741 - 10/19/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Certainly, it just came up because it is probably the best example for this psychadelic community. :smile:

For example, I was there when my grandmother went through the process of dying, her leaving the world and the world after she had left, and it was quite the tram experience, one of those very rare ones that doesn't take you back down. :wink:


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7536747 - 10/19/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This allegory has nothing to do with the ulrik(en) ..

I thought of this, while watching James Bond..

Please, F_G? Get of my back?
Speak for yourself, not try to speak for me?

It is kind of annoying..


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Gomp]
    #7536789 - 10/19/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Lighten up dude. :sun: It had nothing to do with what happened with your mind when you came up with the idea. It was simply me having fun with the fact that you are from Norway.

Progression of thought: You are from Norway, I was in Norway once and went on the trams to the tops of the mountains, your post involved trams in a way, I thought it would be cool and fun to make reference to it and post a cool picture. :smile:

I'm not on your back dude. :wink:


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7536798 - 10/19/07 07:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Lighten up dude. :sun: It had nothing to do with what happened with your mind when you came up with the idea. It was simply me having fun with the fact that you are from Norway.

Progression of thought: You are from Norway, I was in Norway once and went on the trams to the tops of the mountains, your post involved trams in a way, I thought it would be cool and fun to make reference to it and post a cool picture. :smile:

I'm not on your back dude. :wink:




OK, .. My bad..

(I will quote it and take a print screen, next time though..)


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Gomp]
    #7536801 - 10/19/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Its cool, and I thought the picture would add a nice graphic expression of the viewpoint from the elevated land, as well. :wink:

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Re: The elevated land! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7536818 - 10/19/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That would help people make/take the allegory to literally..
I would think, but then again...








I am sure people know what a aerial tramwayway is...

I am sure...


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Gomp]
    #7554663 - 10/24/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Who here, would just wait for the "tramy"; over and over?

And, who here would start the climb?


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Gomp]
    #7554793 - 10/24/07 12:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Everyone wants to ascend, yet most people will wait their turn and miss their chance.

If one person climbed to the elevated land a lot more would follow.

Of course; the indigenous people of the elevated land would also look down to the lower land dreaming of such a time when they could reach it. All of us desire the unfamiliar, to a certain degree.


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Cepheus]
    #7555106 - 10/24/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Im taking the tram, and gutting the lines at the top. Stay the fuck off my mountain. :slaves:


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Gomp]
    #7555317 - 10/24/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

fortunately, back in the real world, everyone wants something different. a world with only one trammy wouldn't be much of a world.


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: moon_glue]
    #7555854 - 10/24/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

why are so many people in this topic talking about a tranny?


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: peaceandlove]
    #7555878 - 10/24/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Most individuals learned early on in life that an "m" is not an "n". There might not be a lot of difference, appearance-wise, between an "m" and an "n", but we are conditioned to recognize the difference instantly... or at least, most of us were. :smirk:

If it was an attempt at humor, I'd recommend trying harder next time. :shrug:


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7555951 - 10/24/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

peace brother, I'm not tryin' to pick a fight
that was just what popped into my head, I thought it might make somebody laugh. :gethigh:


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Re: The elevated land! [Re: Cepheus]
    #7559835 - 10/25/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks: F_G..


And, the indigenous people in this allegory lives only on the lower plane..
That is why they want to go up.. :wink:

Don't read too much in to a simple allegory.. And do not think it is only about drugs...
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