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InvisibleCaptain Cubensis
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Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC.
    #7535219 - 10/19/07 12:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I know, search the posts, but WTF is the point of a message board if everything is easily found in the archives.

I am sure 25 people will called me retarded, and take the time to insult and berate, but not to just answer a simple question.

If the casing tray is only slightly smaller then the FC, barely large enough to fit the tray inside the FC, and only about 5 inches of open air above the casing layer, then what is the point of a 2 stage casing to fruiting tek?

Please just give me some answers, save your insults for someone you love!

So, what have your experiences been, placing a casing tray straight into a FC?


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7535224 - 10/19/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I cased my trays and put them directly in a FC pins are showing 5 days later..


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: orchidfanatic]
    #7535234 - 10/19/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks you! That's what I was looking for, some anecdotal evidence that not EVERY dogmatic tek on here is 100% needed!


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7535238 - 10/19/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Not enough stickies in this forum.....verrrry annoying


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7535267 - 10/19/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Seems like all the moderators do lately is tell you YOU ARE WRONG search the forum, or BUY MY VIDEO!


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7535294 - 10/19/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So if you put your trays directly in the FC, did you do FAE right away, or did you wait until myc pops up?


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7535438 - 10/19/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know that I understand the question.

The idea of allowing the substrate to incubate for a week (or until needed) without the casing material on first is precisely the same reason we incubate our original inoculations in a control (jar) environment...

- The substrate is dangerously susceptible to contamination until the mycelium fully consolidates control over the entire substrate.

- The limited gas-exchange prevents the moisture content of the substrate from varying and the higher CO2 levels keep the colony in a vegetative mode.

- And perhaps least importantly, but still a valid reason why, is that it helps concentrate the mycelium's colonization on nutritious substrate that it can assimilate and gain nutrients from. Since the casing material is non-nutritious and (if made properly) rather stressful to colonize - the alkaline pH - it tends to be one of the final triggers to send the mycelium out of the vegetative mode and into the fruiting stage.

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As I said in the other post, 90% of the time there's no difference whatsoever if you do it or not. But it does open the substrate up to additional potential contaminations while it's in a rather weak state and for that reason, I don't see the point in trying to rush things.


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: mycocurious]
    #7535463 - 10/19/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Nice reply, thanks.


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: mycocurious]
    #7535478 - 10/19/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

mycocurious said:

- The limited gas-exchange prevents the moisture content of the substrate from varying and the higher CO2 levels keep the colony in a vegetative mode.





That gave me an idea, like bags, I have a cup of substrate colonizing, and I have enough room in it, so perhaps when it's ready, I give it some light and fresh air and it will fruit! Not many, but I'm sure there is plenty of nutrition in there...


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: syntroniks]
    #7535607 - 10/19/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thats called a MycoBag..


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7535655 - 10/19/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

CC... I've recently done nine casings or so, am still a newb I guess. But on all of them, after putting down my substrate (either crumbled cakes or wbs) I put on my casing layer covered with alum foil and then placed them in my closet for 3-5 days. After the first couple of high spots of myc came through, I patched them and placed directly into the FC. I initiated pinning conditions and within 5-10 days, I had pins. However, my trays apparently aren't as big as yours. I can fit three rectangular trays (ziplock containers with blue see throuh lids) into each of my FC's. I seem to have a bit more room above my trays also. Although I know you don't like perlite, that's what I use and it has worked fine on all of my casings.

I'm a little confused when you say "two stage casing to fruiting". Could you clear that up for me? Anyway, not sure if this has helped or not but let me know if you have any more questions I might be able to answer. Good luck


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: juris1]
    #7535671 - 10/19/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

In your case, juris, what you've done is created a colonized spawn material (the cakes or grains) and cased them directly without actually spawning them to a new bulk substrate.

What we're talking about here is taking that same set of crumbled cakes or grains and then added them in a 4:1 ratio of spawn material to new substrate (poo,coir,compost,etc.). The original question then is if he should allow that new substrate to colonize for 7-14 days before adding the casing on top of it, then add the casing and wait another two or three days and then patch and fruit.

Since you cut out the step of spawning to a new bulk substrate you by-passed the question altogether... does that make any sense?


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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Can't find good answers on putting casing directly in FC. [Re: mycocurious]
    #7535687 - 10/19/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I fully understand that. I just have never heard it said that way before, the way he said it. I've got a monotub going now where I spawned wbs to hpoo. Have used hpoo in other casings too, as well as just casing straight wbs or casaing the crumbled cakes. Thanks though. Have a good day


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